Title: *BRUTAL TRUTH DEBATE*: Christian vs. Muslim; Christ vs. Muhammad/Bible vs. Koran (Fascinating Listen) Source:
You Tube URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVU3 ... ist&p=8DF2F55C1F8C5A75&index=2 Published:Feb 28, 2008 Author:Dave Hunt Post Date:2009-12-13 03:17:12 by Liberator Keywords:Christianity, Islam, debate Views:71104 Comments:164
This is a debate between Dave Hunt and Shabir Ally in Toronto Canada in 2008. Christianity vs. Islam.
Hunt's credentials and scholarship are impeccable as is his courage. As the author of over 4,000,000 books (of which three I own), you will see and hear him NOT mince any words about the deeply flawed Muhammad, and how deeply flawed the Koran is. No candy-coated PC-Speak here.
He compares and contrasts the Koran vs. Bible convincingly, with conviction and armed with facts. Chances are none of us will ever see another non-compromising debate of this kind ever.
This is Part 3 which blends seamlessly into Part 4, into Part 5 and so on. Hunt's politely yet firmly continues to delve into the stark differences between the two belief systems.
The case WAS made ad nauseum, but the two of you conveniently and continually deny the truth about Islam while slathering over Turd-Pie with whipped cream.
Pathological Liars usually do so in the face of even overwhelming evidence.
Yep.
Their obvious game is to change the subject, since we have the audacity to challenge their invincible ignorance of the realities of islam.
No, I have not had a chance to watch. I have had guests coming in and out, and they will be for the next week - so I have not had time to watch it. I would like to, however, and plan to do so when I have time.
Islam is now synonymous with "Terrorism
I will agree that some terrorists as Muslims - just as some terrorist are Basque, just as some terrorists are Irish, and so on …
So, I cannot find any basis to prove that all Muslims are terrorists – can you furnish me with documentation they are?
The video will probably be stating the opinion of one of the debaters that Islam is now synonymous with terrorism – is that what you are saying?
I would have to say in the same way you or I could hate one person. I love everyone, even those with faults. People are who they are and nothing will ever change that. It is possible to love and hate a person at the same time. I hate my brother with a passion you may or may not ever understand, but, he is my brother and a part of me will always love him.
That is not correct.
The word “hate” in the Bible does not always carry the same sense of antipathy and disgust associated with the English expression; it can mean simply to favor someone else with special privilege, devotion, or love less. In that sense, the Lord’s “hatred” of Esau was only the other side of His loyalty to His covenant with Israel. Paul quoted verses 2–3 with that meaning in Rm 9:13 as an illustration of the Lord’s mercy and compassion on whomever He chooses to bestow them (Rm 9:15). Nevertheless, in the circumstances of the Jews’ return from exile, the hostility of the Edomites seems to have reached another level, provoking Malachi to call them “the people the LORD has cursed forever” (v. 4).
The point I was attmeping to make gracefully is you should not be lecturing Christians, when your knowledge and insight into the Word is extremely limited.
I will be happy to start over, if you will help by again stating the case and the supporting presentations. (Links to the case and support data will do find).
MD; Do you even know what islam and it's "holy" books teach about how moo slums MUST treat ALL non- islamic peoples of the world?
Do you even know what islam's own histories say about what it has done to the "dar al-harb"?
It certainly IS true that for ALL non-islamic peoples of the world, and for most islamic peoples of the world, islam IS 'terrorism"
L; Your last assertion strikes the dagger into the heart of Islam that dare not be spoken in public.
Islam = Terrorism. Terrorism = Islam.
Muhammad cast the die 1400 years ago and NEVER has Islam strayed from its tenets since.
Coercion. Submission. Violence. Death. ALL of it justified IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!! Until THE VERY LAST INFIDEL is submitted or killed.
THE Truth.
Would that it was something else, but it is NOT.
But what is "important" to these purveyors of ignorant brain dead PC drivel is that I am not being a "real" Christian in accordance with their concept of what Christianity should be!
The qur'an, like the Jews, recognize Jesus as a prophet.
The Jews are the original "Christians" who believed that Jesus (The Jew of Jews, King of Kings) fulfilled the prophecies as Savior of mankind.
Whether the Koran believe in Christ as A "prophet" has NO bearing on their Cult of Death, Cult of Coercion, Cult of Submission.
When Christians strayed from worshipping only God, Muhammad was born to bring the world back to the original religion of Abraham.
HUH?? (triple eyeball roll)
You don't know anything about the various religions of the world except for what your "Christianity" views tell you, nor are you interested in knowing anything as you already believe you know it all. More murders are committed by athiests today than all the religions combined. Yes, more people have died at the hands of the non-religious than the hands of the Muslims.
Interesting red herrings but a debate for another day...
The subject in this case is with respect to the Cult of Islam, it's Koran, and it's Leader Muhammad and what THEY represent - with historical context - IN CONTRAST TO the message of the Bible and Gospel of Jesus Christ.
If you seek true debate and dual representation (and it's a pretty spirited one from both sides, yet civil), watch the videos of Hunt and Ally.
The point I was attmeping to make gracefully is you should not be lecturing Christians, when your knowledge and insight into the Word is extremely limited.
Firstly, I am not lecturing anyone. Secondly - I doubt they know more about being a Christian than I. Thirdly, you assume they are Christian and I am not - your assumptions are incorrect. Fourth and finally - one need not know more about Christianity than another to recognize they are not practicing what they preach. So, while I see your point, your point carries no weight.
I appreciate your insults and have made note of your graceful way of putting them.
It is extremely difficult for the wealthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. Those who consider themselves superior are more at odds with God than those who are aware of their sins. Those who sincerely repent—even if they are the hated toll-collectors, prostitutes, or ignorant common people—are more likely to receive God’s forgiveness than are the learned and self-righteous. Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!
No Lib - I was only interested in your answers to certain questions. It is clear to me that you will never provide them, but thanks anyway. Have a good night.
It is extremely difficult for the wealthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. Those who consider themselves superior are more at odds with God than those who are aware of their sins. Those who sincerely repent—even if they are the hated toll-collectors, prostitutes, or ignorant common people—are more likely to receive God’s forgiveness than are the learned and self-righteous. Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!
#83. To: Mad Dog, Tater, mel, GarySpFC (#74)(Edited)
But what is "important" to these purveyors of ignorant brain dead PC drivel is that I am not being a "real" Christian in accordance with their concept of what Christianity should be!
If that wasn't so pitiful, it would be funny.
Funny how in their ignorance of Christ's redemption of our admitted imperfection these non-Christian self-anointed "Bible scholars" suddenly become..."Defenders of the Faith," lol. FWIW, no one with half a brain-cell is buying their desperate bilge.
It's always these same people or Leftists whose last resort of a losing argument is to attack the messenger of truth and attempt to marginalize their opponent. They're shooting blanks...and know it. I mean just how does one defend Islam in earnest without being an apologist of terrorism and murder?
Hey - If you're not catching flak, yer not over the target, Dog ;-)
There are some, to many, Christians who interpret the word "hate" to have many meanings, including the interpretation which you have expressed:
The word “hate” in the Bible does not always carry the same sense of antipathy and disgust associated with the English expression; it can mean simply to favor someone else with special privilege, devotion, or love less.
Some have said that in the passage below that the word “hate” does not mean “hate” in the commonly accepted definition of the word and does not mean what it says, but actually means that you're to love your god more than anyone else...
Luke 14:26 – If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
I cannot comprehend that. Hate is a pretty clear word, and we all know what it means. If someone screams "I hate you!" in someone's face does that mean "I don't actually hate you, but I'm more devoted to liking a different friend!"
If we do a search for the word hate in the NIV bible online, will not in these passages the word hate seems pretty clear as well.
Therefore, my question is basically: Where is the reference book that God wrote that says what he *actually* meant by several words since it's so open for interpretation?
Not intended to be sarcasm: If a terrorist screams “I’m gonna kill you” – Should I have anything to fear, by stopping think that “kill” may not really mean “kill” but mean “love?”
I mean just how does one defend Islam in earnest without being an apologist of terrorism and murder?
The same way you do...
It is extremely difficult for the wealthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. Those who consider themselves superior are more at odds with God than those who are aware of their sins. Those who sincerely repent—even if they are the hated toll-collectors, prostitutes, or ignorant common people—are more likely to receive God’s forgiveness than are the learned and self-righteous. Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!
Oh, don't mind me. Think of me as a golf commentator who has no "dog in the fight" (so to speak) and is merely adding color commentary to the competition.
Except for those female commentators who are pissed that Tiger wasn't boffing them.
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#88. To: GarySpFC, Mad Dog, mel, Tater, A K A Stone, Joe Snuffy, BobCeleste, Gater, All (#9)
A simple reading of such Qur’anic passages makes it obvious how easy it is for many Muslims to feel hatred and enmity against Jews, Christians, and other non- Muslims. Although many Muslims are very fond of quoting some of the more “open- minded” and “inclusive” verses of the Qur’an, one cannot ignore the weight and impact of the above passages on a devout Muslim who wants to find and obey the will of God as found in the Qur’an.
You get an "Amen," outta me, Gary.
Thank you for powerfully enumerating an indefensible stack of damning evidence that defines Islam's "Religion of Peace" and why obeying Allah's will shall always be the goal of Muslims.
Now compare these tenets to those of Jesus Christ and his Apostles.
It's important that I remember to use only one sentence or question posts, as not to overwhelm them. You should do the same. Your post has two sentences in it. That creates a brain overload and prevents the brain from the actual thinking process. Oh - and - God forbid if you make any spelling errors!
It is extremely difficult for the wealthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. Those who consider themselves superior are more at odds with God than those who are aware of their sins. Those who sincerely repent—even if they are the hated toll-collectors, prostitutes, or ignorant common people—are more likely to receive God’s forgiveness than are the learned and self-righteous. Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!
I was only interested in your answers to certain questions. It is clear to me that you will never provide them, but thanks anyway.
You mean THESE questions you asked? Okay...
"Can you imagine how Jesus felt while he was trying to teach the non-believers?"
I imagine He enjoyed the challenge of teaching the truth, the way, and path to everlasting the life and melting hearts of stone. How cool was that?
"The ridicule he faced?"
Extremely difficult at the end...He was after all still flesh and blood.
"Being attacked by his own people?"
Not only that, but by Judas. Still, he was beloved and revered by many at the time
But I'm sure he was consoled by the knowledge of the legacy of His gospel, righteous teachings, healing, love and sacrifice as the Lamb of God that saved us.
A simple reading of such Qur’anic passages makes it obvious how easy it is for many Muslims to feel hatred and enmity against Jews, Christians, and other non- Muslims. Although many Muslims are very fond of quoting some of the more “open- minded” and “inclusive” verses of the Qur’an, one cannot ignore the weight and impact of the above passages on a devout Muslim who wants to find and obey the will of God as found in the Qur’an.
Let me paraphrase that and see where I may be wrong:
A simple reading of posts on various threads here makes it obvious how easy it is for many of those who post here to feel hatred and enmity all Muslims. Although many of these posters who do so are very fond stating they are a student(s) of the Qur’an and of quoting some of the more “restrictive” and “exclusive” verses of the Qur’an, one cannot ignore the weight and impact of the hatred on all Christians who wants to find and obey the will of God as found in the Holy Bible.
Do you think the Lord Jesus Christ would be saddened by the hatred that some professed “Christians” have for the unsaved?
Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ extends love and mercy to all people of the earth?
Do you believe that the Lord God loves all people?
The golfers now seem to be coming at the commentator in the tower at the 18th green, wielding wedges and 9-irons, reminiscent of those with torches and pitchforks coming after Frankenstein's (that's "Frank-un-STEEEN's") monster.
I don't know how much longer I can hold out.
OH, THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Some people certainly do hate non-Christians. As with any other form of hatred, their hatred is based upon an ignorant assumption that all people who follow a certain religion must be alike. This of course is not true for Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, or anyone else.
With this in mind, there is no doubt that many Christians have done a great deal to dishonor the religion they claim to follow. Let’s return to an earlier post where we looked at the Crusades. Then there was forced conversions of the Jews. Furthermore, look at the 'heretics' burned alive to 'save' them. Look at the Christians, right now, on this site, who offer up their own hate to other posters.
No doubt there are Christians who have done a lot to be ashamed of. I am not ashamed of believing in the teachings of Jesus Christ, who taught love, not hatred. I am often ashamed to call myself a Christian, because of all the awful things some folks have done, and are still being doing, in His name.
All this is not uncommon to other forms of hatred. No group is all bad, but every group includes individuals who have done terrible things. If you point to those individuals, and blame their deeds on the entire group, you 'justify' the hatred. It is not really justified, of course, but that is how the process works when it is not objectively and compassionately applied by Christians.
Do you think the Lord Jesus Christ would be saddened by the hatred that some professed “Christians” have for the unsaved? Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ extends love and mercy to all people of the earth?
Do you believe that the Lord God loves all people?
