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Religion Title: *BRUTAL TRUTH DEBATE*: Christian vs. Muslim; Christ vs. Muhammad/Bible vs. Koran (Fascinating Listen) This is a debate between Dave Hunt and Shabir Ally in Toronto Canada in 2008. Christianity vs. Islam. Hunt's credentials and scholarship are impeccable as is his courage. As the author of over 4,000,000 books (of which three I own), you will see and hear him NOT mince any words about the deeply flawed Muhammad, and how deeply flawed the Koran is. No candy-coated PC-Speak here. He compares and contrasts the Koran vs. Bible convincingly, with conviction and armed with facts. Chances are none of us will ever see another non-compromising debate of this kind ever. This is Part 3 which blends seamlessly into Part 4, into Part 5 and so on. Hunt's politely yet firmly continues to delve into the stark differences between the two belief systems. Something to learn for everyone. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 32. If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know your self but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle ~ The Art of War, Sun Tzu Is terrorism the enemy or is Islam the enemy – “Both” is not an answer.
#4. To: Tater (#2) The answer is that islam IS terrorism. Is the concept of "Dar al-islam" and "Dar al-Harb" too complex for your "mind"?
#5. To: Mad Dog (#4) The answer is that islam IS terrorism. That can't possibly be true. Do you know the definiton of "terrorism?" And a stupid, adolescent attempt at sarcasm does nothing for me.
#6. To: Tater (#5) You are just another ignorant fool or a whore for islam. Do you even know what islam and it's "holy" books teach about how moo slums MUST treat ALL non- islamic peoples of the world? Do you even know what islam's own histories say about what it has done to the "dar al-harb"? It certainly IS true that for ALL non-islamic peoples of the world, and for most islamic peoples of the world, islam IS 'terrorism". (What is the punishment for conversion from islam genius?, how are islam's women and children treated like genius?) I wouldn't rate your intellect nearly as high as that of even a stoned "adolescent", and I d@mned sure don't care what it "does" for you chump.
#7. To: Mad Dog (#6) Islam is a religion – Terrorism is a tactic.
Terrorism is a tactic and not an ideology.
Which means there is no such thing as the “war on terrorism” because you cannot have a “war on a tactic?”
Instead of a “war on terrorism,” there is a “war against Islamic extremists” that uses terrorism as one of their tactics.
This “war” won't go anywhere, though, without some understanding of the motivations of the terrorists.
Why are they employing the tactic of terrorism and what do they hope to achieve?
#8. To: Tater (#7) I'm NOT going to play semantic games with you. islam is an ideology that poses as a religion that uses terrorism as a means of conquest and control. Check out the sites that I cited up thread, TRY learning something about islam then I'll talk with you. They want to make ALL of the world into "dar al-islam". TRY reading the d@med koran. I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door.
#10. To: Mad Dog (#8) I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door.
… “expected answers” … Please don't be surprised when the answers you “expect” do not arrive – and don’t bother to wait for them. The norm for the practice of social intercourse prohibits me from accepting a bully’s claim that his views are correct or that he has the right to expect anything - because he simply thinks he has the strength and propensity to violence, to attack a poster’s comments. Therefore, I cannot exchange thoughts and opinions with you until you learn to develop and to exhibit a tone of civility in your approach to sharing information. Should you have an interest in conducting an intelligent discussion, then I will join you in that and you may now make your attempt at a courteous exchange. However, if you are interested in continuing to act like an a**, then you are doing an excellent job and you can continue alone in your quest to exceed your current level - and move on to achieve far greater supremacy, but you will do that with someone other than me. In closing, may I say that evidence of the arrogance you display is exceeded only by your attempt at the use of fevered language. Good luck – Sir - I wish you well.
#16. To: Tater (#10) MD; I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door. Sigh ... I meant that I expected you to answer. I made no comment on what you would answer with. I'm not God, I can't see the future. "Bully"? Why because you pull your ideas about what islam is out of thin air and I have actually READ about it and I actually know what it's history and dogma and traditional practices are and I object to your ignorant nonsense re: islam? When you want to discuss things it is adult behavior to actually know FACTS about the subject. It is not a matter of me being "superior" it is about the actual FACTS vice the absolutely brain dead sheeple delusions about a very great threat to US ALL. I don't give a rusty F if you are offended by me b!tch slapping you with the TRUTH. Maybe that will wake you up? What is truly ARROGANT is talking bullsh!t in a life and death matter and then posing as the wronged and offended party when you get called on it. Grow F ing up. I also don't give a rusty F if you don't care for my vocabulary and syntax. "Don't call me Sir, my parents were married."
#19. To: Mad Dog (#16) "Don't call me Sir, my parents were married." To each other?
#22. To: Tater (#19) Real nice "argument" a$$wipe. It takes no effort at all to live "up" to your "standards" eh HYPOCRITE? At least, unlike you a$$wipe, I know who my parents are.
#23. To: Mad Dog (#22) As you search for the reality, may you find strength
#26. To: Tater (#23) You TRYING to lecture me then acting worse than I have has a name. "Do as I say, NOT as I DO" is called HYPOCRISY. Keep your attempts to pose as having ANY sort of "moral" superiority aimed at small children and dumb animals, you mealy mouthed hypocrite, they will believe you.
#27. To: Mad Dog (#26) Ignore the insulting tongue. Duck the provoking blow. Run from the assault of the strong.
#28. To: Tater (#27) "You TRYING to lecture me then acting worse than I have has a name. "Do as I say, NOT as I DO" is called HYPOCRISY. Keep your attempts to pose as having ANY sort of "moral" superiority aimed at small children and dumb animals, you mealy mouthed hypocrite, they will believe you." Btw; how's your study of islam going hypocrite?
#29. To: Mad Dog (#28) If you plant rice, rice will grow. If you plant fear, fear will grow. – Caine
#30. To: Tater (#29) "TRUTH is an ABSOLUTE defense." "Veritas nunquam perit." - Truth never dies. "Fiat justitia ruat caelum."
#32. To: Mad Dog (#30) I want to ask you the same series of questions I posted on another thread. This is what ever you wish to call it. I call it food for thought. Jews don't celebrate Christmas. A lot of people don't celebrate Christmas. Did you know that only approx 33% of the worlds population consider themselves Christian? 22% consider themselves Muslim. The number of people who convert to Islam is growing at a much faster rate than those converting to Christianity. About 76% of Americans consider themselves of a Christian faith of one denominations or another. The nuber who chose basic Christianity is much less than that, approx 2/3 less. So, if Obama chooses not to celebrate Christmas the way your average Christian does, why would that bother you? Do we not have the freedom to choose our own religion in the US? Furthermore, why would you be suprised? You already know what type of bigoted "Christian" church he attended for many years. Did you actually believe he was a real Christian and therefore would hold the same Christian values that real Christians hold? This leads me to another question. Do you think the only presidents we should ever elect should be those of a Christian faith? What about Mormons? Are they eligible? Jews? Buhddists? Hindus? Pagans? Wiccans? Muslims? In a world were we are to be free and be able to freely practice our religions of choice, should we now ban some religions and not others? And who gets to determine which ones are allowed and which ones are not? In China, the Government is officially athiest. It took some time to get them to accept some religions, but others are still banned. Should we do the same in America? Or should Christianity be considered the official religion of the US? So which is it? We would be hypocrits in the eyes of Jesus if we preach such freedoms and pass laws to limit them at the same time. We would surely be damned to hell for such practices.
Replies to Comment # 32. I want to ask you the same series of questions I posted on another thread. This is what ever you wish to call it. I call it food for thought. 1.) That is not correct, many Jews do "celebrate" Christmas. In fact many non-Christians worldwide "celebrate" Christmas. Again you post numbers without citing the sources. So those numbers in this discussion mean absolutely nothing. I note that you totally ignore the effects of the fact that all children born to islamic parents are considered to be moo slums by islam, and that the penalty for islamic apostacy is death, effects on the inflated numbers claimed by islam. But really no matter what, so what? Who cares? What happens between an individual and GOD is not my business. I see no biblical requirement to "celebrate" Christmas, where do YOU see it? 2.) LOL! It is important because he CLAIMS to be a "mainstream American Christian" and "mainstream American Christians" by and large celebrate Christmas. Of course he has the right to be whatever he wants to be. But if he is not a "main stream Christian" he LIED to America. It is also important because no matter how you gin up the numbers, the vast majority of Americans ARE self professed Christians, and the messiah "king" obammy by breaking this specific TRADITION is purposely insulting us all. I never believed that that stalinist scum was anything but the enemy of ALL things American. I wouldn't believe him if he said that it was daylight at high noon. Do you know the difference between the messiah "king" obammy and GOD? GOD doesn't think that he is obammy. LOL! 3.) Already mostly answered. There is no official religion of America, and that is one of the basic ideas of America since our founding. I certainly don't support such nonsense. Nor does anybody or any religion, (except islam and moo slums of course). But I don't think that any moo slum should hold any position of public power and trust. Would you have supported a Japanese American presidential candidate during WW2? If so, you really are a deluded Polly Annish PC fool imo. "The bill of rights is NOT a suicide pact." Btw; don't you even TRY to speak for Jesus. Jesus hates satan, and islam is the tool of satan IMO.
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