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Title: *BRUTAL TRUTH DEBATE*: Christian vs. Muslim; Christ vs. Muhammad/Bible vs. Koran (Fascinating Listen)
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVU3 ... ist&p=8DF2F55C1F8C5A75&index=2
Published: Feb 28, 2008
Author: Dave Hunt
Post Date: 2009-12-13 03:17:12 by Liberator
Keywords: Christianity, Islam, debate
Views: 71699
Comments: 164
This is a debate between Dave Hunt and Shabir Ally in Toronto Canada in 2008. Christianity vs. Islam.
Hunt's credentials and scholarship are impeccable as is his courage. As the author of over 4,000,000 books (of which three I own), you will see and hear him NOT mince any words about the deeply flawed Muhammad, and how deeply flawed the Koran is. No candy-coated PC-Speak here.
He compares and contrasts the Koran vs. Bible convincingly, with conviction and armed with facts. Chances are none of us will ever see another non-compromising debate of this kind ever.
This is Part 3 which blends seamlessly into Part 4, into Part 5 and so on. Hunt's politely yet firmly continues to delve into the stark differences between the two belief systems.
Something to learn for everyone.
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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know your self but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle ~ The Art of War, Sun Tzu
Is terrorism the enemy or is Islam the enemy – “Both” is not an answer.
#4. To: Tater (#2)
The answer is that islam IS terrorism.
Is the concept of "Dar al-islam" and "Dar al-Harb" too complex for your "mind"?
#5. To: Mad Dog (#4)
The answer is that islam IS terrorism.Is the concept of "Dar al-islam" and "Dar al-Harb" too complex for your "mind"?
That can't possibly be true.
Do you know the definiton of "terrorism?"
And a stupid, adolescent attempt at sarcasm does nothing for me.
#6. To: Tater (#5)
You are just another ignorant fool or a whore for islam.
Do you even know what islam and it's "holy" books teach about how moo slums MUST treat ALL non- islamic peoples of the world?
Do you even know what islam's own histories say about what it has done to the "dar al-harb"?
It certainly IS true that for ALL non-islamic peoples of the world, and for most islamic peoples of the world, islam IS 'terrorism". (What is the punishment for conversion from islam genius?, how are islam's women and children treated like genius?)
I wouldn't rate your intellect nearly as high as that of even a stoned "adolescent", and I d@mned sure don't care what it "does" for you chump.
#7. To: Mad Dog (#6)
Islam is a religion – Terrorism is a tactic.
Terrorism is a tactic and not an ideology.
Which means there is no such thing as the “war on terrorism” because you cannot have a “war on a tactic?”
Instead of a “war on terrorism,” there is a “war against Islamic extremists” that uses terrorism as one of their tactics.
This “war” won't go anywhere, though, without some understanding of the motivations of the terrorists.
Why are they employing the tactic of terrorism and what do they hope to achieve?
#60. To: Tater (#7)
Islam is a religion – Terrorism is a tactic.
Not THE issue here, though as established earlier, Islam is now synonymous with "Terrorism."
Did you watch ANY of the debate between Hunt and Ally? AT ALL?
Speaking of "debate," your attempt at changing IT and the context to the definition of "terror" ISN'T what the video debate was about.
Ally (the Muslim) was actually a very articulate debater...But the best he could do in defense of yesterday's, today's and tomorrow's Islamic violence was in citing some of the Old Testament.
#71. To: Liberator (#60)
…debate between Hunt and Ally…
No, I have not had a chance to watch. I have had guests coming in and out, and they will be for the next week - so I have not had time to watch it. I would like to, however, and plan to do so when I have time.
Islam is now synonymous with "Terrorism
I will agree that some terrorists as Muslims - just as some terrorist are Basque, just as some terrorists are Irish, and so on …
So, I cannot find any basis to prove that all Muslims are terrorists – can you furnish me with documentation they are?
The video will probably be stating the opinion of one of the debaters that Islam is now synonymous with terrorism – is that what you are saying?
#136. To: Tater (#71)
So, I cannot find any basis to prove that all Muslims are terrorists...
That's because you've created a false premise, Weasel.
But 99% of Terrorists are Muslim.
If you disagree with the stat, then prove me wrong.
I have not had a chance to watch [the debate between Hunt and Ally]...[but] plan to do so when I have time.
Will that be before or after the next random "political" terrorist act and murder of dozens by Islam? Is the Over/Under in days or hours?
#139. To: Mad Dog, Liberator, Mel (#136)
You played sarcastic games with me – You call me a Muslim apologist
for no valid reason at all.
I am a Christian, a son born to an Assembly of God Preacher.
I hold all the Christian beliefs you hold – but I do not hold your
on-Christian belief of HATRED.
I wanted to engage you in a constructive and educational exchange,
the same as Mel also obviously wanted to do.
But you could not do that – Why not? Is your hatred that deep?
Is it the Christian thing to hate?
I have a suggestion – here is what I believe is the Christian thing to do:
I came on this forum and on these threads to learn from folks and to
courteously exchange ideas.
I was not given not that opportunity. You mislabeled, misunderstood,
and misread my good intentions from the “git-go.”
Your prejudice and hatred overcame your common sense for decency and
you attacked me.
I suggest we stop all this – declare it a no win situation, for it really is not for
any of us.
I still want to exchange thoughts with you and I still want to learn from you
– but I want to do it in a civil manner.
Will you do this – make exchanges in a civil manner without all the name calling
and sarcasms? That is what I would like to do – Shall we?
I will now apologize for any and all ways I may have, or have, offended you.
That is the Christian thing for me to do.
#162. To: Tater, mel, Liberator (#139)
This discussion is about what are the FACTS about islam?, or at least it was before you TRIED to change the subject.
If a person is not IGNORANT of the actual facts about islam, and they still make factually incorrect claims in defense of islam, there are only three LOGICAL reasons why they would do this.
1.) They support islam no matter what the facts are, for some personal reason.
2.) They are the willing tool of islam.
3.) They are mentally defective.
You CLAIMED to know the facts about islam, yet when I and others pointed out your FACTUAL errors regarding islam, (which we cited sources for), you basically called us liars, and then attacked OUR faith.
That's not sarcasm, that's FACT.
To KNOW, and to share, the indisputable FACTS about islam, (or anything else), is not "hate", it is knowledge.
I don't give a rusty F what you claim that your religion or faith is; it is not germane to the discussion of what the FACTS about islam are, and neither is mine.
"TRUTH is an ABSOLUTE defense."
If you want to be handled like a small child or delicate flower, the adult forum of ideas is not for you. I won't try to sugar coat your obvious FACTUAL ignorance. I don't care if you don't like that, I will not discuss adult matters limited to what will not "offend" small children or supercilious mealy mouthed hypocrites.
You are unable to "offend" me, you are an unknown person on a small website. You mean nothing to me in real life, just as I should mean nothing to yours.
I will not abide an intellectually dishonest person in an attempted exchange of information and ideas. What would be the point of that?
As to your putative "faith", as demonstrated here for all to see, it is of absolutely no interest to me. That is between you and the Lord the same way mine will be with him.
You certainly, and obviously, enjoy making a show of it. Remind me again about what scripture says about those who "pray on the street corners making a great show of it"?
I certainly accept your "apology", why wouldn't I?
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#163. To: Mad Dog, Tater, Mel (#162)
This discussion is about what are the FACTS about islam...To KNOW, and to share, the indisputable FACTS about islam, (or anything else), is not "hate", it is knowledge."TRUTH is an ABSOLUTE defense."
That's way I'd have called it, Dog.
Exhibit "A": Islam is a Religion of Peace.
While some and probably most Muslims ARE "peaceful," Islam is NOT a "Religion of Peace."
Does. Not. Compute. Will Robinson.
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