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Religion Title: Franklin Graham: Secularists have taken control of America Addressing the crowd at the Oklahoma State Evangelism Conference last week, world-renowned evangelist Franklin Graham admittedly took a different spin than his iconic father, Billy Graham, on the podium and criticized America, declaring that "secularists have taken control of our country." The president of the Billy Graham Evangelist Association admonished believers in America for standing by while godless, democratically appointed government officials rip the Christian foundation of the country out from under them. "Our country has changed, and we've got to take a stand," Graham exhorted the Oklahoma City crowd, according to The Christian Post. "We live in a secular society led by people that call themselves progressives. Secularists … have taken control of our country. And we have just sat back and it's happened. And we haven't even realized it's happened." Not my father's world Graham then said that he is not afraid to talk about many of the issues his father didn't typically address and critique, noting that the bulk of the senior Graham's ministry took place during a time before American society thoroughly divorced itself from God. He explained how Billy Graham's school days weren't riddled with fears that students would be punished for handing out Christian literature, forming Bible clubs or leading organized prayer. "Well, you say, 'Now Franklin, you father wouldn't get onto these subjects,'" insinuated Graham, who is also the president of Samaritan's Purse, a nonprofit Christian humanitarian organization. "Wait a second … My father, when he was going to school, they had a Bible in school. When he was going to school, they had the Ten Commandments on the wall. When he was going to school, you could pray in school, and the teachers would lead in those prayers."
Since his father, the 92-year-old Billy Graham, grew up decades before God, Bible reading and prayer were removed from the public schools in 1963 — which is also the year that evolution replaced creation as the dominant teaching about the origins of man and the universe — the younger 62-year-old Graham argues that the changed times call for him to speak on the many moral issues that Christians now face on a daily basis. "The secularists and the humanists … you mention the name of Christ, they jump all over you," Graham contended. "I get jumped on all the time. I don't really care." Secularization infiltration Graham went on to argue that the secularization of society has long since extended beyond the schoolhouse gate, infiltrating virtually every facet of American society. Graham "It's all over the country," Graham insisted. "You have the secularists and the humanists who are wanting to deny that Jesus ever existed." Billy Graham's son then talked about the ironic twist that came about in the late 1980s and early 1990s — a time when the Cold War ended and hearts went cold to God, as secularism, socialism and communism entered into American education, society and politics full force. "When the Berlin wall came down, everybody said: 'We won,'" Graham remembered. "And secularism came. And secularism and communism are the same thing. They're godless. They're antichrist." Only One hope, not 12 Graham argues that America is not what it used to be, as it has turned its back on the Christian principles upon which it was founded. And as another presidential election draws near, he contends that conservative politicians aren't the answer. "America has changed and it's not coming back unless the Church takes a stand," Graham insisted. "Now I'm not talking about Baptists or Republicans or Tea Party … I have no confidence that any of these politicians or any party is going to turn this country around." In the midst of the current political frenzy taking place, with a dozen conservative prospective candidates promising that they can turn America around from its godless, destructive path, Graham promises that no politician can deliver the country from falling apart. "There is only one who can save — only one … Jesus," Graham added. "You see, Jesus is in the boat. All we have to do is call Him, call on His name." As godless policies and laws continue to work their way into American society — from God being ousted from the public schools in 1963, to Roe v. Wade ushering in legalized abortion in 1973, to the floodgate of same-sex "marriage" opening in 2004, to the normalization of homosexual behavior in the military in 2011 — Graham warns that America will be judged for its disobedience and repudiation of God's Word. "There are storms that are coming," Graham foretold. "The only hope for this country is for men and women of God to stand up and take a stand." Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-39) not displayed.
Now tell me -- exactly WHAT writings of his "inspired revolutions"??
LOL. Are you serious - The Declaration of Independence didn't inspire a revolution? I'm pretty sure it "inspired" the American Revolution - as well as others:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_in_the_Minds_of_Men
#41. To: Liberator (#39) The Texas school board removed Jefferson from the "political philosophers" category
The Primary Author of the Declaration of Independence and the Author of the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom wasn't, according to the Revisionist Texas School Board, a Political Philosopher?
LOL. Capisce??
#42. To: Liberator (#39) Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. My reading comprehension is just fine. "Your search - Thomas Jefferson "Virginia Act" site:www.focusonthefamily.com - did not match any documents." What does this mean?
#43. To: VxH (#38) (Its morals are pure, its examples, captivating and noble.) What -- Are you saying the Holy Bible isn't full of noble stories, virtue, and love? What should school children read? Thomas Jefferson's biography? THAT would be interesting. How virtuous a leader of his people was he? Oh, that's right -- as the author of, "All men are created equal" Jefferson once owned 600 slaves, and impregnated others. Look -- Jefferson did was an accomplished man, but he was a man, just one of many important Founders -- none of whom warrant any mention with King David.
King David lived HOW many centuries ago in B.C.? Before the New Covenant. As a favorite of God the Father. Jesus claimed Himself as a proud descendant of David. And yes, King David was indeed was noble. Or are you now going to question the motives and integrity of God the Father and testimony of Jesus Christ?
#44. To: VxH (#40) LOL. Are you serious - The Declaration of Independence didn't inspire a revolution? Are YOU serious?? Jefferson himself "inspired" the revolution? NEWSFLASH: The "revolution" was already in progress. Uh, nice spin
#45. To: Liberator (#43) King David lived HOW many centuries ago in B.C.? The Polygamist King David in the Bible? That one?
#46. To: VxH (#41) The Primary Author of the Declaration of Independence and the Author of the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom wasn't, according to the Revisionist Texas School Board, a Political Philosopher? LOL -- now you're capitalizing "PRIMARY"? Look -- Jefferson was given an outline, discussed and debated among other Founders. He wrote and composed the final draft with a lot of help. I'm still willing to give him a lot of credit, don't worry. "Political Philosopher"?? Since when is that a category of history? Sounds like neo-socialist BS to me. Who else is was there before the conservatives on the school board cleaned house? Al Sharpton? This was about removing all the liberal and Leftists cirriculum that they'd hijacked from the original cirriculum. Hey -- did you even read the NYT article and the changes made that carved up what had been a liberal curriculum?? But my bad -- you're liberal, aretcha? Here read it again: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html?_r=0
#47. To: Liberator (#44) Are YOU serious?? Jefferson himself "inspired" the revolution? NEWSFLASH: The "revolution" was already in progress. Uh, nice spin
The IDEAS, articulated in the American Declaration for Independence, certainly were among the "Fire in the Minds of [American] Men". Philosophical IDEAS - like the ones Hồ Chí Minh picked up and ran with a couple of hundred years later:
How do you and the Texas revisionists reconcile the fact that Thomas Jefferson's philosophical Declaration evidently ALSO inpsired Ho?
#48. To: VxH (#45) The Polygamist King David in the Bible? Yup, that David, that's how they rolled in B.C. That same David who was an ancestor of Jesus Christ, of whom was often called "Son of David." The same David who God called a "man after his own heart." THAT David. Got a problem with it? Take it to The Lord Himself (NOT to be confused with *cough, hack* Tommy "Where is Slave Number 576?" Jefferson.)
#49. To: VxH (#37) Not following. You're cutting and pasting out of context and sequence.
#50. To: Liberator (#46) (Edited)
"Political Philosopher"?? Since when is that a category of history? Sounds like neo-socialist BS to me.
" politics, liberty, justice, property, rights, law, and the enforcement of a legal code by authority" Yep just BS, to you. Does Plato's Republic ring any bells in your tiny religified brain?
#51. To: Liberator (#48) Yup, that David, Yep the "Moral" polygamist. That one. Just checking.
#52. To: VxH, GarySpFC, redleghunter (#30) Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination." It clearly means that even many of the Christian Founders majorities felt it unnecessary to specifically overtly mention Jesus Christ within a political instrument since the Father and He was already assumed to be the "Author" in any case. That said, you're delusional if you believe the rest of the Founders by and large endorsed the "inclusive" language of, "Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
#53. To: Liberator (#49) (Edited) Not following. You're cutting and pasting out of context and sequence. libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=37828&Disp=32#C32 "The great majority" chose NOT to include "Jesus Christ". Why was that?
#54. To: Liberator (#52) (Edited) the Father and He
Jefferson believed in "the Father and He" do tell?
#55. To: Liberator (#52) That said, you're delusional if you believe the rest of the Founders
I believe Thomas Jefferson said "the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
That's not delusion, it's historical FACT.
#56. To: VxH (#50) (Edited) I know this'll just blow your mind, but ALL of the signees of the DoI were indeed Political Philosophers. And so is every politician. And so are you and I. Does Plato's Republic ring any bells in your tiny religified brain? Yes it does. Like a gong. Compared to Jefferson's *clank* of a champagne glass. Jefferson was just one of many MANY "political philosophers" among the Founders. Why must he be elevated in the Pantheon of Secular Humanism's Hall of Fame...er, I mean, in the Texas Board of Education's "Political Philosophers" category? I'll tell you why: Because he wasn't a Christian. Why did the Texas Board of Education tried also to shove "Evolution" down the kids throats? Same reason. Why did the new conservative Texas Board of Education require that the history of McCarthyism also now include “how the later release of the Venona papers confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government”? It moves and balances education TO THE RIGHT. The new conservative Texas Board of Education also included a plank to ensure that students learn about “the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schlafly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the National Rifle Association.” I guess you've also got a problem with IT. All because Tommy Jefferson' has been demoted in the "political philosophers" section, along with words he never wrote OR uttered: "Separation of Church and State."
#57. To: VxH (#55) I believe Thomas Jefferson said "the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination." Nice re-spin. I said, "You're delusional if you believe the rest of the Founders by and large endorsed the inclusive language of, 'Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.'" You're welcome.
#58. To: VxH (#54) (Edited) Jefferson believed in "the Father and He" do tell? He = Jesus Christ. In the context of Author." Again, your reading comprehension and choppy cut & paste are hitting speed bumps.
#59. To: Liberator (#57) "a great majority" Any of those folks sign Jefferson's Politicaly Philosophical declaration of independence? The IDEAs articulated in the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom are the same IDEAs distilled into the 1st Amendment's prohibition against State-establishments - lest Rome's CaeSARean MYSTERY whores perch a King upon the steps of their temples on this side of the pond.
#60. To: Liberator (#58) (Edited) He = Jesus Christ. But you said "the Father and He". Jefferson was a Unitarian. What does that mean?
#61. To: VxH (#53) The great majority" chose NOT to include "Jesus Christ". For further clarification: It clearly means that even many of the Christian Founders majorities felt it unnecessary to specifically overtly mention Jesus Christ within a political instrument since the Father and [Son] were already assumed to be the "Author" of liberty and "unalienable rights" in any case.
#62. To: VxH (#60) But you said "the Father and He". http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=37828&Disp=61#C61
#63. To: Liberator (#56) Jefferson was just one of many MANY "political philosophers"
Just one of the political philosophers whose ideas inspired the American Revolution... and others?
#64. To: Liberator (#62) Do Unitarians believe in the Trinity?
#65. To: Liberator (#61) It clearly means that even many of the Christian Founders majorities felt it unnecessary to specifically overtly mention Jesus Christ within a political instrument
Maybe in your revisionist, Fallible and Uninspired, tiny brain. Meanwhile in reality land what Jefferson CLEARLY wrote was: "in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
#66. To: VxH (#59) Any of those folks sign Jefferson's Politicaly Philosophical declaration of independence? HA! Now you claim the DoI is TJ's?? NEWSFLASH: It wasn't Jefferson's DoI; It was ALL of the Founders, including collaborations and contribution from several other Founders. Jefferson articulated it into words. A great job I might add. But he had a lott of help as mentioned. We've already reviewed this, but you want to rehash it until you've crowns Jefferson King of the US, and MVP of US History? LOL -- not the way it was. Why the obsession on deifying Jefferson and over-exaggerating his contribution to the new republic's freedom? No, really. Is it because you are kindred spirits, subscribing to the Swiss Cheese version of the Bible with all the supernatural parts and miracles of Jesus missing?
#67. To: Liberator (#66) (Edited) HA! Now you claim the DoI is TJ's?? NEWSFLASH: It wasn't Jefferson's DoI; "In 1776 Jefferson, then a member of the committee to draft a declaration of independence, was chosen by the committee to write the draft. This he did, with some minor corrections from John Adams and an embellishment from Franklin, the document was offered to the Congress on the first day of July." http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/jefferson.htm
FAIL again Libertard.
Who wrote the Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom?
#68. To: VxH (#63) Just one of the political philosophers whose ideas inspired the American Revolution... and others? Others?? Are. You. Serious?? Try 52 signers of the DoI for starters. And some important Founders that didn't even sign it. Like George Washington.
#69. To: Liberator (#68) (Edited) And others like Ho Chi Minh, super genius - who were inspired by the American Declaration of Independence. Who wrote the draft of that again? "In 1776 Jefferson, then a member of the committee to draft a declaration of independence, was chosen by the committee to write the draft. This he did, with some minor corrections from John Adams and an embellishment from Franklin, the document was offered to the Congress on the first day of July." www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/jefferson.htm Oh, that's right - THOMAS JEFFERSON.
#70. To: Liberator (#66) Why the obsession on deifying Jefferson
"ERRORS CEASING TO BE DANGEROUS WHEN IT PERMITTED FREELY TO CONTRADICT THEM"
Is Islamic Sharia law an ERROR that requires CONTRADICTING?
#71. To: VxH (#67) (Edited) The Second Continental Congress initially appointed five people to draw up a declaration. The committee included: IOW, Jefferson was a secretary for Franklin, Adams, Sherman, and Livingston. Bosses, Adams and Franklin nixed Jefferson's initial presentations of the declaration. The draft underwent further edits and revisions until the delegates met on July 4th at the Pennsylvania State House, and approved the Declaration. John Hancock, the President of the Continental Congress ok'd it along with Charles Thomson. Afterward, Jefferson recieved a letter from his head slave. It seemed 253 of them had a cold, 15 slaves the mumps, 2 were pregnant, and the rest were healthy enough to work on Mass'ah's farm. Do you ever wonder whether Jefferson ever coughed up bile as he wrote the phrase, "All men are created equal"?
#72. To: Liberator (#71) IOW, Jefferson was a secretary for Franklin, In YOUR words. Fallible and Uninspired much? You figure out if Unitarians believe in the Trinity yet, Super Parrot?
#73. To: VxH (#65) Yeah ... Secular pluralism --- Do you know what that means ! Stop playing with your political dildo collection ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys ! #74. To: Liberator (#71) (Edited) Do you ever wonder whether Jefferson ever coughed up bile as he wrote the phrase, "All men are created equal"? Nope. ![]()
#75. To: GarySpFC (#13) Amen. "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4) #76. To: BorisY (#73) (Edited) Tsk tsk. Have you been making Vodka out of toilet seats again Boris - or just drinking out of the bowl as usual?
#77. To: VxH (#76) Drug suppositories for you ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys ! #78. To: BorisY (#77) Don't forget to put the lid back down after quenching your thirst.
#79. To: VxH (#78) (Edited) Liberals - libertarians control the language - mind - culture - politics ... secularism - pluralism - is founding fathers - * THOMAS JEFFERSON * - Christianity - really good --- diversity - fascism - atheism - satanism is brave new world * neocommunism * !
That's what you are ... troll - zombie --- statist - Satanist - neocom ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys ! #80. To: BorisY (#79) (Edited) Been psychotic long? They're going to take your teddy bear away again if you don't behave.
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