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Title: Obama Rips Bible, Praises Koran
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/national-s ... bama-rips-bible-praises-koran/
Published: Feb 7, 2015
Author: Ben Shapiro
Post Date: 2015-02-07 06:32:22 by cranky
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On Thursday, at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., President Obama blithely informed his audience that Christians ought not get on their “high horse” about the problem of radical Islam:
Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. So it is not unique to one group or one religion. There is a tendency in us, a simple tendency that can pervert and distort our faith.
This is historically and philosophically illiterate. Historically speaking, the Crusades were a response to Islamic aggression in Europe and the Middle East; the Inquisition, as Jonah Goldberg points out while quoting historian Thomas Madden, director of the Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies at Saint Louis University, was designed to regularize executions rather than leaving them to the will of the masses. Christians undoubtedly pursued horrible brutalities against people, including innocent Jews. However, as Goldberg points out, “Christianity, even in its most terrible days, even under the most corrupt popes, even during the most unjustifiable wars, was indisputably a force for the improvement of man.”
Nowhere is that clearer than in Obama’s second example, slavery. Virtually all of the most ardent abolitionists were deeply religious Christians. Hundreds of thousands of American men marched to their deaths singing “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”: “In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea / With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me / As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free / While God is marching on.” That was 150 years ago. It’s not exactly the modern Islamic slogan, “Death to the Jews.” Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., was, as his name suggests, a reverend. He quoted old black Christian spirituals and the Biblical story of the exodus from Egypt. Christians obliterated slavery. Christians obliterated Jim Crow. Modern slavery is largely perpetrated by Muslims. Modern Jim Crow is certainly perpetrated by Muslims under shariah law.
There is a larger point, here, too: President Obama’s foolish argument suggests that because Christians were brutal a millennium ago, they should shut up about brutalities today. This is somewhat like saying that because someone’s great-great-grandfather held slaves in rural Alabama, that person should shut up about human trafficking in 2015. It’s asinine.
But Obama has a history of insulting Christianity and Judaism while upholding Islam. In 2006, Obama bashed the Bible and religious Christians and Jews in particular:
Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount – a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let’s read our bibles. Folks haven’t been reading their bibles.
He then concluded that religious leaders should not speak out against publicly-funded contraception or gay marriage.
We can get into President Obama’s pathetic Biblical commentary here – his interpretation of Leviticus on slavery is incorrect, Jews still avoid shellfish, the Talmud explains that no child has ever been stoned for rebelliousness, and the Sermon on the Mount is not a pacifist document. Obama’s not Biblically literate – he’s the same fellow who says, “I think the good book says don’t throw stones in glass houses.”
He said in The Audacity of Hope that he would define Biblical values however he chose, stating that he is not willing “to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.” Both are, in fact, parts of the Bible. Citing the Sermon on the Mount to justify civil unions for homosexuals, as Obama has done, is not in fact Biblical.
But more importantly, Obama’s scorn for the old-fashioned Bible is obvious. That became more obvious in 2008, when Obama told some of his buddies in San Francisco that unemployed idiots “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
The Obama administration has routinely attacked religious organizations and people who violate Obama’s personal political predilections. They’ve attacked all trappings of Christianity as well. Whether they’re using Obamacare to force religious individuals to pay for others’ contraception or toning down the National Day of Prayer instead of holding a public ceremony, whether they’re covering a monogram of Jesus at Georgetown University during a presidential speech or objecting to adding FDR’s D-Day prayer to the WWII memorial, the Obama administration clearly isn’t fond of Christianity.
This contrasts strongly with President Obama’s romantic vision of Islam. He famously called the Muslim call to prayer “the sweetest sound I know.” He said in his first presidential interview, with Al-Arabiya, that his job was “to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives.” Weeks later, he said in Turkey, “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.” A few months later, in a speech in Cairo to which he invited the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama said:
I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.
He added that Islam has a “proud tradition of tolerance,” explained, ‘Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace,” and said, “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.” He said in his Ramadan message in 2009 that Islam has played a key “role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”
ISIS, Obama has said over and over again, is not Islamic. His administration maintains that America is not at war with radical Islam. He stated before the United Nations in 2012, just weeks after the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, Libya at the hands of Muslim terrorists, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Hillary Clinton allegedly promised Charles Woods, father of one of the slain in Benghazi, that the administration would achieve the arrest of the YouTube filmmaker behind The Innocence of Muslims. The State Department issued taxpayer-funded commercials denouncing that YouTube video. President Obama variously called the video “crude and disgusting” and stated that “its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity.” At the UN in 2014, Obama lauded a Muslim cleric who backs Hamas. And, of course, Obama uses Islamic theology to promote his vision of world peace:
All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer.
All three religions do have access to holy sites now, in Jewish-run Jerusalem. They did not when Muslims ruled Jerusalem. But facts have no bearing in the fantasy world of the president.
Perhaps one final contrast tells the tale. In 2012, according to the Washington Post. “U.S. troops tried to burn about 500 copies of the Koran as part of a badly bungled security sweep at an Afghan prison in February.” Two American soldiers were shot in the aftermath. This prompted President Obama to apologize profusely to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, writing him a letter stating, “We will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, including holding accountable those responsible.”
Three years earlier, members of the military burned Bibles printed in Pashto and Dari. CNN reported that they had been discarded “amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans.” The Bibles were burned rather than sent back to their source organization because the military worried they might be re-sent to another outlet in Afghanistan. There was no apology to the church that printed the Bibles, or to Christians more broadly.
Sure, radical Muslims around the world, supported by millions of their compatriots and friendly governments, are murdering innocents. But it’s Christian aggression that forces Muslims to burn other Muslims alive in Muslim countries. (1 image)
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#34. To: Liberator (#31) (Edited)
On, you only want to censor my posting...I get it.LOL...
Aah, what a pitiful carnival barker you've become. I don't mean that in a bad way. Do you perform the shell game as well?
Get lost, Punk.
You are doing nothing here except trying to cause disruption.
But thanks for providing me a platform from which to launch articles you have not disputed as inaccurate.
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#35. To: Gatlin, Liberator (#34)
You are doing nothing here except trying to cause disruption.
You should take a few moments of your precious time and reflect upon yourself before pointing fingers.
#36. To: Pridie.Nones (#35) (Edited)
You should take a few moments of your precious time and reflect upon yourself before pointing fingers.
Thanks, I just devoterd two seconds to that.
Ah, I feel much better!!!
Can you find anything incorrect in the articles?
#37. To: Gatlin (#36)
Thanks, I just devoterd two seconds to that.
You have a very short attention span. Maybe you should take a HUGE amount of time.
Ah, I feel much better!!!
I doubt it.
Can you find anything incorrect in the articles?
You mean your attempt at spamming & flooding & phishing? Oh no, you are the best!
#38. To: Liberator (#24)
I don't know about you, but it seems to me that Gatlin has become an anti-Christian propagandist, but GOOD!
And of course one of his go-to sources just happens to be the SPLC.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#39. To: cranky (#10)
Wasn't that interview done by Brian Williams?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#40. To: Murron, Obolo Supporters (#15)
Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#41. To: Gatlin (#4)
And the argument that the Crusades — which resulted in the deaths of untold thousands — were only in response to Muslim provocation is highly contested among historians.
No, it is not contested among historians. All of the Middle East and North Africa were strongly Christian, prior to the time of Mohammed.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
#42. To: stoner (#0)
self ping
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#43. To: CZ82 (#40)
" Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million? "
Hard to say. Too many though. Unfortunately, that process was started before he moved into the White Hut.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#44. To: Gatlin, Pericles, cranky, All (#19) (Edited)
"if anything his policies like supporting abortion and gay rights is anti-Muslim"."and tell him, and everyone, what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic."
Pericles, as long as you are watching obama's right hand, then you won't be bothered by what he's doing with his left~
No president, from the founding fathers of this nation, till today, has seen fit after Islamic barbarians committed savage, inhumane atrocities before the cameras of the world, Obama has. A sane person does not jump to the defense of evil doers, a sane person does not incourage them with praise for their KORAN, that leads them on to even more wholesale slaughter, while in the same breath, trash his own country, blame this country and our people for their acts of savagery in the name of their heathen god.
These rabid animals have all the support and encouragement they need from the lips of Obama himself to continue, they don't need mine, and will never have it...NEVER! - jmho
#1 “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”
#2 “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”
#3 “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”
#4 “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”
#5 “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
#6 “Islam has always been part of America”
#7 “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”
#8 “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”
#9 “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”
#10 “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.”
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
#45. To: Murron (#44)
Very good post. Those that doubt Ovomit's support for Islam should read your post #44, several times!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#46. To: Gatlin, Pridie.Nones, Liberator, pericles, Murron, cranky, GarySpFc, Stoner, All (#36)
Can you find anything incorrect in the articles?
Yes, its premise of pretense of moral relevancy. Anyone can spin facts or selectively cherry pick facts to support an argument. But that does not give weight or validity to the agrument in the overall context of reality.
The Crusades, Inquisition, the institution and justification of slavery in the name of Christ occured hunreds of years ago - in other words in the distant PAST. What is occurring in the name of Isalm around the glode (ISIS, Boko Haram, etc.) is happening NOW. People, societies, civilizations grow and mature, many to the point where the acknowledge and condemn past actions within their ranks and no longer tolerate it. Where is the KKK and its ilk these days? Christian America roundly and publically rejected these groups and told them you can't live with us and to get out of Dodge - or else.
What is occurring in the name if Isalm is in real time, not hundreds of years ago BUT it isn't much different what was done in the name of Islam hundreds of years ago. One critical difference, if not the singular most important one, is that Muslims around the glode, en masse, clearly and loudly, not even Jordan yet, has told ISIS and its ilk to go away, you can't live with us, get out of Mecca - or else.
Get it?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#47. To: Gatlin (#19)
After you finish rolling on the floor, please get up and tell him, and everyone, what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic.
Put up a welcome sign for the migration of tens of thousands of muslims who are building mosques scattered throughout the country.
#48. To: Gatlin, Pridie.Nones, Liberator, pericles, Murron, cranky, GarySpFc, Stoner, All (#44)
Can anyone claim that it is not the intent of Islam to impose Sharia Law as the only law around the globe?
But even Mulsims know that this can't happene but in small steps. Our POS current POTUS has contributed more than his fair of these small steps to obtaining the true Muslim goal for the planet.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#49. To: SOSO, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#48)
POTUS has contributed more than his fair of these small steps to obtaining the true Muslim goal for the planet
How many hundreds of thousands of muslims did dubya grant political asylum in the USA?
George W. Bush preaching at the mosque. "Islam is a religion of peace" (ROP). Obama is a F'n Bush clone, aka a REAL Republican!
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#50. To: Murron (#5)
It's not a lie. There are whole volumes of lynching photographs and postcards. The average was one every other day from 1880 to 1911. Many were by burning at the stake or other forms of burning alive.
The Germans denied that anything was going on, and refused to believe until they saw. We have the pictures and CAN see our past, if we look. It's gruesome stuff. Don't be a German. Accept the ugly past, acknowledge that it was evil, and then look to make sure the present follows a different path from that our forebears.
#51. To: Stoner (#43)
" Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million? "Hard to say. Too many though. Unfortunately, that process was started before he moved into the White Hut.
We are not allowed to keep count under a policy where elementary perception of destructive cultural or genetic differences detrimental to western civilization is a hate crime.
#52. To: Gatlin, Liberator, GarySpFc, Murron (#23)
“We have already seen a number of Christian atrocities, not only in considering the Crusades and other wars including wars fought on God's behalf, but in considering forced conversions, Christian vandalism, persecution and slavery . Christians also have a poor record in facilitating the worst forms of colonialism. Here we look at just one example, probably the most extreme: The Congo Free State.”
You miss the overarching point. Those who murder and enslave are not following Christ's commands. Jesus Christ preached the Law of Grace:
Matthew 5:
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. " (Romans 1:16-17)
#53. To: Murron, liberator, GarySpFc (#44)
#6 “Islam has always been part of America”
Well the above is true. However the interactions of Islam with the USA has always been negative.
The Muslims in Africa captured and sold Blacks as slaves to Europeans and Americans.
The Barbary pirates, Muslim also, attacked American ships.
Then of course 9/11.
Not a very "positive" part of America.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. " (Romans 1:16-17)
#54. To: Vicomte13 (#50) (Edited)
"there were 4,743 recorded lynchings in the US..."It's not a lie. There are whole volumes of lynching photographs and postcards.
"there were 4,743 recorded lynchings in the US..."
Then you should have no problem posting the documentation of these lynches, all 4,743 people you're claiming were lynched at the hands of Christians.
My post stands as is, unless you have something concrete to back what looks like decades/centurys (you have nothing more recent in this country?).
But if you feel the need to conjure me again, leave the Germans out of this for another thread. Thanks!
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Please post documented facts for each one of these (4,743) 'alleged' lynchings. Thank you.
alleged: adjective al·leged Y-Èlejd, -Èle-jYd
: accused of having done something wrong or illegal but not yet proven guilty
: said to have happened but not yet proven
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
#55. To: Gatlin (#32)
There was Christian brutality in whatever name it was conducted.
In the Congo it was not done for religious reasons is what I am saying.
#56. To: Murron, CZ82 (#40)
Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million?
You mistake Obama for Bush.
#57. To: Murron, Vicomte13 (#54) (Edited)
"there were 4,743 recorded lynchings in the US..." It's not a lie. There are whole volumes of lynching photographs and postcards."there were 4,743 recorded lynchings in the US..."
Then you should have no problem posting the documentation of these lynches, all 4,743 people you're claiming were lynched at the hands of Christians.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html
We can argue if Protestants can be called Christians though.
https://henriettavintondavis.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/black-women-who-were- lynched-in-america/
Mary Turner 1918 Eight Months Pregnant Mobs lynched Mary Turner on May 17, 1918 in Lowndes County. Georgia because she vowed to have those responsible for killing her husband arrested. Her husband was arrested in connection with the shooting and killing Hampton Smith, a white farmer for whom the couple had worked, and wounding his wife. Sidney Johnson. a Black, apparently killed Smith because he was tired of the farmer’s abuse. Unable to find Johnson. the killers lynched eight other Blacks Including Hayes Turner and his wife Mary. The mob hanged Mary by her feet, poured gasoline and oil on her and set fire to her body. One white man sliced her open and Mrs. Turner’s baby tumbled to the ground with a “little cry” and the mob stomped the baby to death and sprayed bullets into Mary Turner. (NAACP: Thirty Years of Lynching in the U.S. 1889-1918 )
#58. To: Pericles, CZ82 (#56)
Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million?You mistake Obama for Bush.
And you have a reading comprehension problem, that is not my post, francis!
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
#59. To: redleghunter, Liberator, GarySpFc, Murron (#52)
“We have already seen a number of Christian atrocities, not only in considering the Crusades and other wars including wars fought on God's behalf, but in considering forced conversions, Christian vandalism, persecution and slavery . Christians also have a poor record in facilitating the worst forms of colonialism. Here we look at just one example, probably the most extreme: The Congo Free State.”You miss the overarching point. Those who murder and enslave are not following Christ's commands. Jesus Christ preached the Law of Grace…
So those who called themselves “Christians” and committed atrocities that solely occurred on “command of church authorities” or were committed in the name of “Christianity” were deemed NOT to be “Christians....by whom?
If it is to accepted that those who committed heinous barbaric acts deemed themselves to be “Christians” but were not really “Christians”….can it not also be said that those who deem themselves to be “Muslims” and commit violent acts are not “Muslims?”
That be the case, then why do so many have so much trouble with Obama’s regime refusing to use the term or categorize the radical extremists: “Islamic Terrorists?”
Listed below are only some of the 20th century church atrocities that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity.
It is said: “As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....” |
#60. To: Murron (#58)
Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million? You mistake Obama for Bush.And you have a reading comprehension problem, that is not my post, francis!
I don't think Obama brought that many compared to Bush, Jr.
#61. To: rlk (#47)
After you finish rolling on the floor, please get up and tell him, and everyone, what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic.Put up a welcome sign for the migration of tens of thousands of muslims who are building mosques scattered throughout the country.
Nah! You have Ted Kennedy to "thank" for getting the Hart-Celler Immigration Bill passed into law on Oct. 3, 1965. That legislation, which phased out the national origins quota system first instituted in 1921, created the foundation of today's immigration law. And, contrary to anything Barack Obama does, that law inaugurated a new era of mass immigration which has affected the lives of millions.
#62. To: redleghunter, ALL (#53)
The Barbary slave trade refers to the white slave markets that flourished on the Barbary Coast of North Africa, or modern-day Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and western Libya, between the 16th and 19th centuries. These markets prospered while the states were nominally under Ottoman suzerainty, but in reality they were mostly autonomous. The North African slave markets traded in European slaves. The European slaves were acquired by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Spain, Portugal, France, England, the Netherlands, and as far afield as Iceland. Men, women, and children were captured, to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned.
Ohio State University history Professor Robert Davis describes the white slave trade as minimized by most modern historians in his book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800 (Palgrave Macmillan). Davis estimates that 1 million to 1.25 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone (these numbers do not include the European people which were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast),[1] and roughly 700 Americans were held captive in this region as slaves between 1785 and 1815.[2] 16th- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's additional slave import from the Black Sea may have totaled around 2.5 million from 1450 to 1700.[3] The markets declined after the loss of the Barbary Wars and finally ended in the 1830s, when the region was conquered by France.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
#63. To: Murron, Gatlin, cranky (#44) (Edited)
Article 11 of the Treaty of TripoliAs the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp
So Obama is stating what the Founding Fathers stated.....
#64. To: Murron (#44)
Okay, thank you for that.
But you only told me OBAMA what said.
Now tell me what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic.
#65. To: Gatlin, Murron (#64)
yea, Obama spoke some nice words about Islam same as George "9/11 happened on my watch" Bush who said Islam is a great religion and a religion of peace. I guess Bush made America Islamic?
I am still waiting for Murron to tell me what laws Obama passed that made the USA more Muslim. If anything I would thing the Fundamentalist right wing would cheer the banning of abortions, the banning of alcohol sales, punishing gays and forcing women to be subservient to men. But all I see is Obama pushing laws Muslims would hate like gay marriage and equal rights for women.
#66. To: Murron (#54)
Please post documented facts for each one of these (4,743) 'alleged' lynchings.
I can post the documentary evidence of about 98 of the most gruesome of them in the form of photographs…if I had a scanner to do so, knew how, and felt like it.
There was a museum display in New York City at a holocaust museum of the lynching area in America, with photos and various other artifacts. It was a very somber thing, like a holocaust. A documentary was done on it, and a book published called "Without Sanctuary" that gives plenty of details and photographs, for those with a strong stomach.
It's bad stuff, and the rate of it: one every other day, was one of the things that drove the Great Migration of blacks from the deep south to the Northern industrial cities.
#67. To: SOSO, Pridie.Nones, Liberator, pericles, Murron, cranky, GarySpFc, Stoner, All (#48)
Can anyone claim that it is not the intent of Islam to impose Sharia Law as the only law around the globe? But even Mulsims know that this can't happene but in small steps.Not I.
But even Mulsims know that this can't happene but in small steps.However, the original question was: "What Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic?"
Our POS current POTUS has contributed more than his fair of these small steps to obtaining the true Muslim goal for the planet.
#68. To: SOSO, Gatlin, Pridie.Nones, Liberator, Murron, cranky, GarySpFc, Stoner (#48)
But even Mulsims know that this can't happene but in small steps. Our POS current POTUS has contributed more than his fair of these small steps to obtaining the true Muslim goal for the planet.
So when Clinton and george Bush helped create a Muslim Bosnian and Kosovo and overthrew a secular Iraq it was also Obama's fault? It is just stupid logic from the American right wing which is why I lament the stupidity of the American right - especially those that make this claim and support the Iraq war to this day.
#69. To: redleghunter (#53)
Well the above is true. However the interactions of Islam with the USA has always been negative.The Muslims in Africa captured and sold Blacks as slaves to Europeans and Americans.
The Barbary pirates, Muslim also, attacked American ships.
Then of course 9/11.
Don't forget that most Muslim countries were allies with the Nazi's during WW-2.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#70. To: Pericles (#56)
You mistake Obama for Bush.
An easy mistake to make when it comes to policy.
You can tell them apart,though. Boy Jorge is the smart one.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#71. To: SOSO, Pridie.Nones, Liberator, pericles, Murron, cranky, GarySpFc, Stoner, All (#67) (Edited)
Why Obama Is Right to Avoid a Double Standard on Modern Christian Atrocities.
President Obama, speaking on Thursday at the National Prayer Breakfast, condemned religious extremism in the Muslim world, noting that it is the work of twisted individuals rather than being intrinsic to the religion. He then added,
“And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”
It is actually amazing that Southern Christianity does not get called out more often for its role in slavery and racial discrimination in the United States, especially since its churches are still for the most part segregated! I mean, don’t people know why there is a Southern Baptist denomination in the first place? Why not just “Baptist?” The US History website notes:
“Defenders of slavery noted that in the Bible, Abraham had slaves. They point to the Ten Commandments, noting that “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, … nor his manservant, nor his maidservant.” In the New Testament, Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master, and, although slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, Jesus never spoke out against it.”The southern Christian churches conducted something like a genocide against the slaves. British North America and then the USA kidnapped and enslaved about 500,000 persons from 1600 to 1808. In addition, the North American slavers killed off about 200,000 Africans trying to capture people in Africa or let them die in the unsanitary holds of the Middle Passage across the Atlantic. Once they were on the plantations, the slaves were often worked to death; in 1830-1860 only 10 percent were over 50 years old. Their children were kidnapped from them and sold. Women and men who formed common law unions were separated and sold. Ten to 20 percent of what became over time 4 million slaves had been Muslim but their religion was stolen from them and they were forcibly converted to Christianity. Southern Christian seminaries produced an endless stream of theological writing upholding all these criminal acts. It was done very much in the name of the Bible.
Other Christians worked for abolition, so all this support for enslavement was not intrinsic to Christianity; it was a matter of a particular interpretation of Christianity. Slavery was widespread in the world, but Southern American plantation slavery was called the ‘peculiar institution’ for a reason– much slavery elsewhere was household slavery, as in most of the Muslim world. It was no fun to be someone’s property in a household either, but plantations (and this was true of Brazilian plantations as well) were particularly deadly, often killing the workers by age 40.
As for Jim Crow, the American version of South Africa’s Apartheid wherein African-Americans could not so much as drink from the same fountain as whites, Colin Chapell writes of Carolyn Renée Dupont’s Mississippi Praying:
“Dupont demonstrates that defenders of Mississippi’s segregated society turned early and often to evangelical theology in order to justify their views on race . . . her work unequivocally shows the religious commitment to segregation among white evangelicals. The white evangelical commitment to individualistic theology also led the way for an understanding of the world in which the disadvantages facing African Americans in the South were a result of their own failings rather than any structural stumbling blocks.”
On the order of 2 to 3 African-Americans were lynched every week under Jim Crow segregation, or up to 12,000 or so wantonly murdered by Christians during these 80 years.
But Obama could have mentioned other modern Christian atrocities. Christians often blame Christian violence on secular nationalism so as to dissociate themselves from the some 100 million persons mown down by those of white Christian heritage from Europe and the US in the 20th century. But many of those millions were killed by believing Christians on behalf of explicitly Christian states. I figure that Muslims killed about 2-3 million in the same period, though again, many of those were killed for secular nationalist purposes, not Islam per se.
Take Croatian Catholic nationalism in the 1930s and 1940s. It gave rise to the Ustashe movement. . (In the former Yugoslavia, Croats are largely Catholic, Bosnians mostly Muslim and Serbs for the most part Eastern Orthodox). If Ustashe had merely been a form of secular nationalism, it would not have demanded that Serbs convert to Catholicism from Eastern Orthodoxy, which it did. It was a sectarian Christian movement, not a secular one. Catholicism was just deeply intertwined with Croation identity. Ustashe killed 30,000 Jews, 40,000 Roma and about 500,000 Serbs (hint: Yugoslavia was not very populous– these are massive numbers). While the Catholic Church in Croatia was deeply divided on the movement, many in the lower level clergy actively supported it, and [pdf] and Franciscans provided some of the more enthusiastic executioners in the camps.
Or in Spain in the 1930s, the Catholic Church was closely allied with Gen. Francisco Franco and declared the struggle against the Spanish left in the civil war a “Crusade.” Franco’s Crusade against the Left probably left on the order of 200,000 dead (some historians say twice that). These 200,000 individuals were killed (yes, Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin) in the name of Christ.
I don’t mean to pick on the poor Catholics. The Dutch Reformed Church was not innocent in the imperial wars in what is now Indonesia nor in the Afrikaners’ Apartheid. There is plenty of killing in the name of Christ to go around.
The outrage on the right about Obama’s entirely correct observations derives from a kind of Christian nationalism, in which Christians can do no wrong or are not responsible for the wrongs done by other Christians. The point is, that may be so, but neither are Muslims responsible for the loonier of their coreligionists. Those complaining about a “false equivalency” are just using a meaningless buzzword. Here’s a better one: what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
#72. To: Pericles (#57)
NAACP: Thirty Years of Lynching in the U.S. 1889-1918 )
Yeah,if you can't trust the Tan Klan to tell the truth about race issues,who can you trust,right?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#73. To: Pericles, Murron (#56)
You mistake Bush for Carter.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
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