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Title: Obama Rips Bible, Praises Koran
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Published: Feb 7, 2015
Author: Ben Shapiro
Post Date: 2015-02-07 06:32:22 by cranky
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On Thursday, at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., President Obama blithely informed his audience that Christians ought not get on their “high horse” about the problem of radical Islam:
Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. So it is not unique to one group or one religion. There is a tendency in us, a simple tendency that can pervert and distort our faith.
This is historically and philosophically illiterate. Historically speaking, the Crusades were a response to Islamic aggression in Europe and the Middle East; the Inquisition, as Jonah Goldberg points out while quoting historian Thomas Madden, director of the Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies at Saint Louis University, was designed to regularize executions rather than leaving them to the will of the masses. Christians undoubtedly pursued horrible brutalities against people, including innocent Jews. However, as Goldberg points out, “Christianity, even in its most terrible days, even under the most corrupt popes, even during the most unjustifiable wars, was indisputably a force for the improvement of man.”
Nowhere is that clearer than in Obama’s second example, slavery. Virtually all of the most ardent abolitionists were deeply religious Christians. Hundreds of thousands of American men marched to their deaths singing “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”: “In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea / With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me / As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free / While God is marching on.” That was 150 years ago. It’s not exactly the modern Islamic slogan, “Death to the Jews.” Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., was, as his name suggests, a reverend. He quoted old black Christian spirituals and the Biblical story of the exodus from Egypt. Christians obliterated slavery. Christians obliterated Jim Crow. Modern slavery is largely perpetrated by Muslims. Modern Jim Crow is certainly perpetrated by Muslims under shariah law.
There is a larger point, here, too: President Obama’s foolish argument suggests that because Christians were brutal a millennium ago, they should shut up about brutalities today. This is somewhat like saying that because someone’s great-great-grandfather held slaves in rural Alabama, that person should shut up about human trafficking in 2015. It’s asinine.
But Obama has a history of insulting Christianity and Judaism while upholding Islam. In 2006, Obama bashed the Bible and religious Christians and Jews in particular:
Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount – a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let’s read our bibles. Folks haven’t been reading their bibles.
He then concluded that religious leaders should not speak out against publicly-funded contraception or gay marriage.
We can get into President Obama’s pathetic Biblical commentary here – his interpretation of Leviticus on slavery is incorrect, Jews still avoid shellfish, the Talmud explains that no child has ever been stoned for rebelliousness, and the Sermon on the Mount is not a pacifist document. Obama’s not Biblically literate – he’s the same fellow who says, “I think the good book says don’t throw stones in glass houses.”
He said in The Audacity of Hope that he would define Biblical values however he chose, stating that he is not willing “to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.” Both are, in fact, parts of the Bible. Citing the Sermon on the Mount to justify civil unions for homosexuals, as Obama has done, is not in fact Biblical.
But more importantly, Obama’s scorn for the old-fashioned Bible is obvious. That became more obvious in 2008, when Obama told some of his buddies in San Francisco that unemployed idiots “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
The Obama administration has routinely attacked religious organizations and people who violate Obama’s personal political predilections. They’ve attacked all trappings of Christianity as well. Whether they’re using Obamacare to force religious individuals to pay for others’ contraception or toning down the National Day of Prayer instead of holding a public ceremony, whether they’re covering a monogram of Jesus at Georgetown University during a presidential speech or objecting to adding FDR’s D-Day prayer to the WWII memorial, the Obama administration clearly isn’t fond of Christianity.
This contrasts strongly with President Obama’s romantic vision of Islam. He famously called the Muslim call to prayer “the sweetest sound I know.” He said in his first presidential interview, with Al-Arabiya, that his job was “to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives.” Weeks later, he said in Turkey, “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.” A few months later, in a speech in Cairo to which he invited the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama said:
I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.
He added that Islam has a “proud tradition of tolerance,” explained, ‘Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace,” and said, “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.” He said in his Ramadan message in 2009 that Islam has played a key “role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”
ISIS, Obama has said over and over again, is not Islamic. His administration maintains that America is not at war with radical Islam. He stated before the United Nations in 2012, just weeks after the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, Libya at the hands of Muslim terrorists, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Hillary Clinton allegedly promised Charles Woods, father of one of the slain in Benghazi, that the administration would achieve the arrest of the YouTube filmmaker behind The Innocence of Muslims. The State Department issued taxpayer-funded commercials denouncing that YouTube video. President Obama variously called the video “crude and disgusting” and stated that “its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity.” At the UN in 2014, Obama lauded a Muslim cleric who backs Hamas. And, of course, Obama uses Islamic theology to promote his vision of world peace:
All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer.
All three religions do have access to holy sites now, in Jewish-run Jerusalem. They did not when Muslims ruled Jerusalem. But facts have no bearing in the fantasy world of the president.
Perhaps one final contrast tells the tale. In 2012, according to the Washington Post. “U.S. troops tried to burn about 500 copies of the Koran as part of a badly bungled security sweep at an Afghan prison in February.” Two American soldiers were shot in the aftermath. This prompted President Obama to apologize profusely to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, writing him a letter stating, “We will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, including holding accountable those responsible.”
Three years earlier, members of the military burned Bibles printed in Pashto and Dari. CNN reported that they had been discarded “amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans.” The Bibles were burned rather than sent back to their source organization because the military worried they might be re-sent to another outlet in Afghanistan. There was no apology to the church that printed the Bibles, or to Christians more broadly.
Sure, radical Muslims around the world, supported by millions of their compatriots and friendly governments, are murdering innocents. But it’s Christian aggression that forces Muslims to burn other Muslims alive in Muslim countries. (1 image)
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"And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear"He's a Constitutional scholar, doncha know?
Obama's middle name is Hussein so there is that sympathy he may have for Islam and/or maybe he is trying to prevent war fever in the USA - like the sinking of the Lusitania type of fever. As long as we don't go to war - more than we are that is - there. The Arabs have armies - this ISIS is a rabble that functions in a war zone no man's land the USA helped create by supporting Syrian rebels. Back the Assad regime and this is all over in 3 months.
#8. To: Gatlin, Murron (#5)
"there were 4,743 recorded lynchings in the US..." This is just another bold-faced LIE, spread as gospel by this treasonous administration and their spineless lackies.Please post documented facts for each one of these (4,743) 'alleged' lynchings. Thank you.
You are correct - there was probably more lynchings.
#9. To: cranky (#3)
" "And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear"He's a constitutional scholar, doncha know? "
He is no more a constitutional scholar, than I am a nuclear physicist.
He is a communist muslim nig.
He is a curse that has been placed on this nation!
All true Americans should be ashamed that he was elected into office!
I am sick of him, and I loath those that voted for him !!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#10. To: Pericles (#7)
Obama's middle name is Hussein so there is that sympathy he may have for Islam
#11. To: cranky (#10)
No, I don't think Obama is a secret Muslim. I am saying that he lived in Muslim countries, His 2 fathers were Muslim - the Indonesian step dad and the birth father and he lived in a Muslim country (Indonesia). So without being Muslim himself he has a sympathy for them. That is not the same thing as being a Muslim himself (he drinks beer for example - and no he is not doing that to throw us off the Muslim scent).
Obama has not done one thing to make the USA more Islamic - if anything his policies like supporting abortion and gay rights is anti-Muslim.
#12. To: Stoner, All (#9)
"And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear"
Obama is an insane loose cannon, brandishing a loaded cocked gun at the heads Americans who make any attempt at saving their families, or this once Great Free sovereign Nation! -jmho
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
#13. To: Murron (#5) (Edited)
"there were 4,743 recorded lynchings in the US..."
This is just another bold-faced LIE, spread as gospel by this treasonous administration and their spineless lackies.
Please post documented facts for each one of these (4,743) 'alleged' lynchings. Thank you.
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So, you concede there were many lynchings in the United States. All you want to do is argue about the total number.
From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes. Source.
Michael Donald was a young African American man who whose murder is sometimes referred to as the last recorded lynching in the United States. Link: 'Last Lynching' Shows Racial Inequity, Advancement.
#14. To: Murron, Stoner (#12)
Obama is an insane loose cannon, brandishing a loaded cocked gun at the heads Americans who make any attempt at saving their families, or this once Great Free sovereign Nation! -jmho
He has shown no behaviors that many of the American people can trust to their Commander- in-Chief. His remaining time as Commander-in-Chief and President is passing far too slowly!
#15. To: Pericles, cranky (#11)
Obama has not done one thing to make the USA more Islamic - if anything his policies like supporting abortion and gay rights is anti-Muslim.
I'd love to play a few rounds of poker with you, boy(?).
LOL! I'm sorry, but there are just no more words left to define...STUPID!!!
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
#16. To: Gatlin, aka Dog Whistler (#1)
In case you're under the delusion you're ANY kind of American patriot, here's a subtle hint: YOU'RE NOT.
How much are you paid to toot your .goob dog-whistle and troll LF? Was it more than at LP? Do you buy the donuts for the local ACLU and SPLC meetings?
#17. To: Liberator (#16)
| This week, President Obama met with Muslim leaders in a private political meeting for the first time in his six-year presidency. The meeting set off predictable angry reactions from the political right, with Fox News’ Sean Hannity even saying he wished Obama had demanded that the leaders publicly denounce radical Islam. Obama further raised the hackles of the Christian right when he said at the National Prayer Breakfast that no religion has a monopoly on violence, saying, “And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. Slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.” The reaction to these comments was apoplectic. Rush Limbaugh called it an “insult” to Christianity; the Tea Party News Network said Obama threw “Christians under the bus”; the Daily Caller surmised that Obama’s remarks were designed to “curb” criticism of Islam. All of these critics failed to engage with the substance of what Obama was saying. The president was not attacking Christianity, he was simply noting that just as ISIS may be using the name of Islam to rally followers to its violent agenda, extremists within the Christian faith have done the same thing historically. Violence has been in the mainstream of Christianity throughout history. If anything, Obama didn’t go far enough in his remarks. Christianist violence isn’t a relic of the Crusades; it continues today, and in many of its forms is just as violent as what we are seeing from ISIS. |
#18. To: Gatlin (#17)
Oh I'm sorry -- Am I actually suppose to respond to your Botware program?
*snicker*
#19. To: Murron, Pericles, cranky (#15)
Obama has not done one thing to make the USA more Islamic - if anything his policies like supporting abortion and gay rights is anti-Muslim. I'd love to play a few rounds of poker with you, boy(?).LOL! I'm sorry, but there are just no more words left to define...STUPID!!!
Perciles may by correct and then he may not. After you finish rolling on the floor, please get up and tell him, and everyone, what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic.
#20. To: Liberator (#18) (Edited)
Oh I'm sorry -- Am I actually suppose to respond to your Botware program?*snicker*
No, all you have shown that you can actually do, is name call. Carry on with what you do best and I will carry on with what I am doing.
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Exactly who did the massacring here is still a matter of debate. The only thing that everyone seems to agree on is the death toll: four ATF agents and 80 followers of Vernon Howell, a.k.a. David Koresh, and his splinter group of Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventists. It happened in early 1993 when the ATF raided, then besieged, then attacked the fortified compound that the Koreshians called Mount Carmel. All that was left was a smoking ruin. There are no signs of the compound any more; the only remnant is a hole, formerly a swimming pool that was used as a bunker during the siege. A little chapel has been built out by the road by the Koreshians and their supporters, incorporating an infrequently-open museum of Davidian history that censures everyone for the bloodshed. Up a dirt road is a grove of young trees planted in rows, one for each Branch Davidian killed. For several years each had a little granite marker at its base with a victim's name and age and the same date of death: April 20, 1993 (The stones were later mortared into a single memorial). When we visited, a rusting motorcycle stood off to one side, choked with weeds -- David Koresh's? We couldn't say, because our only company was a friendly dog and a lot of grasshoppers. The surviving Koreshians have erected monuments to everyone who died, to eliminate any lingering animosity. Across the dirt road from the trees is a memorial to the ATF officers who were killed in the February 28, 1993 raid, which kicked off the 51 day siege and the eventual storming of the compound. And there's another monument to the people who died in the Oklahoma City bombing, two years to the day after the massacre at Mount Carmel. According to John Anderson, who we encountered at his House Of Horrors attraction north of town, "Some folks believe Oklahoma City happened because of Waco." He also told us that the current Branch Davidian leader, Charles Pace, runs the local health food store, and that the Branch Davidians are "very peaceful people." This may be true, but we were getting this information from a guy who runs an attraction with a giant, laughing skull on the side of its building. Pace has organized about a dozen surviving Davidians into a new church: The Branch, The Lord Our Righteousness. For years he has been trying -- thus far without success -- to turn the massacre site into a visitor destination, with an amphitheater, a biblical petting zoo, a museum and gift shop, a wellness center, a deli, an organic farm, and a model of the tabernacle that housed the Ten Commandments. The intent has always been to de-emphasize the massacre. All parties seem to want very hard to forget about the whole thing. |
Show where any of this is wrong.
#21. To: Gatlin (#20)
SPEAK, MAN!
Defend your divisive ways, your socialist-statist-fascist propaganda, your obvious (compensated) task as a forum-kindler of trollish proportions. Are you compensated with little multi-colored shiny stars to stick on your bulletin board? Or just, "ATTA BOY!!"?
Tick-tick....
#22. To: Gatlin (#20)
Carry on with what you do best and I will carry on with what I am doing.
Which...is obvious.
Show where any of this is wrong.
The part where YOU are posting...and baiting. This "hobby" of yours -- what kind of personal satisfaction do you dervive from it?
#23. To: Liberator (#21)
SPEAK, MAN!
Defend your divisive ways...
Tick-tick....
“We have already seen a number of Christian atrocities, not only in considering the Crusades and other wars including wars fought on God's behalf, but in considering forced conversions, Christian vandalism, persecution and slavery . Christians also have a poor record in facilitating the worst forms of colonialism. Here we look at just one example, probably the most extreme: The Congo Free State.”
Source: http://www.b ad newsaboutchristianity.com/gh5_atrocities.htm.
Did this NOT happen?
#24. To: Gatlin, Murron, Stoner (#14)
He has shown no behaviors that many of the American people can trust to their Commander- in-Chief. His remaining time as Commander-in-Chief and President is passing far too slowly!
VERY nice...VERY believable. *cough*
(The explanation point at the end wuz a nice touch)
#25. To: Gatlin (#23)
Thank you for digging your hole deeper.
I'd drop you a rope, but you'd only tie it into a noose.
#26. To: Liberator (#22) (Edited)
Show where any of this is wrong.
The part where YOU are posting...and baiting.
On, you only want to censor my posting...I get it. You have disputed not one of the documented atrocities. all you have done is get upset when some facts are presented to you that you refuse to consider.
Lynchings in America"American history is longer, larger, more various, more beautiful, and more terrible than anything anyone has ever said about it" James Baldwin. His name was Jesse Washington, a 17-year-old black youth who was born in rural Texas in 1897. He worked on a farm outside Waco which belonged to George and Lucy Fryer. In May, 1916, Washington was convicted in City Court of murdering Lucy Fryer. During the proceedings, he apologized and confessed to the crime. At the end of the trial, Washington was sentenced to death by hanging. Residents, however, were already in an uproar over the crime. A black man who attacked a white woman in any way whatsoever during that era in the South evoked little sympathy from the public. Within five minutes of the sentencing, dozens of court spectators jumped the railing, fought with officials and seized the terrified defendant. He was immediately set upon by a vicious gang using clubs, shovels and bricks. He was stripped naked and dragged kicking and screaming to the lawn directly in front of City Hall. Townspeople had already built a giant bonfire underneath a large tree. The crowd was later estimated to be as large as 15,000 people. Included in the cheering multitude was the Police Chief and the Mayor of Waco. Other police officers also stood by during the sickening ordeal which played out in the symbolic shadow of City Hall (Dallas Morning News, June 2, 1998). Washington was immersed in coal oil, hoisted up onto the tree and slowly lowered into the fire. Some of the spectators cut off fingers and toes from the corpse as souvenirs [1]. His remains were dumped into a burlap bag and hung from a pole while many in the crowd cheered [2] The Waco lynching focused national attention, once again, in 1916 on the problem of lynching: a systemic, persistent and horrifying practice that was rampant throughout the South for decades. These killings were often committed with the full knowledge, and sometimes with the active assistance, of law enforcement people. Lynchings were also treated as entertainment events and like the Waco incident, often attended by thousands of onlookers. Most took place in the Deep South but lynchings were common and recorded in over 26 states, including Illinois and North Dakota (Cleveland Gazette, January 8, 1898, p. 2). The problem became so widespread that it was addressed by several Presidents and eventually the Supreme Court. However, rather than condemn lynch law, the Supreme Court seemed to effect rulings that reaffirmed a segregated America. Court decisions during this era perpetuated the atmosphere of violence, fostered the notion of white supremacy and cultivated mistrust of Washington. But the origins of lynching do not rest in federal court, nor can it be blamed, as Southern newspapers often reported, on government's failure to apply justice.
Lynching arose from the ashes of a ruthless and costly war that pitted brother against brother and father against son. The Civil War left a trail of blood and bitterness that twisted its way through successive generations and set the stage for a frenzy of so called mob justice that killed thousands of men, women and children, most of them black. And between the years 1880 and 1905, a period of twenty five years, not one person was ever convicted of any crime associated with these killings. Lynchings are, in effect, the most extensive series of unsolved murders in American history. http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/lynching/index_1.html. |
#27. To: Gatlin, Murron, cranky (#19)
Obama has not done one thing to make the USA more Islamic - if anything his policies like supporting abortion and gay rights is anti-Muslim. I'd love to play a few rounds of poker with you, boy(?). LOL! I'm sorry, but there are just no more words left to define...STUPID!!!Perciles may by correct and then he may not. After you finish rolling on the floor, please get up and tell him, and everyone, what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic.
Yea, after I laughed at the idea that Murron thinks Obama enacted Sharia law of some such I also await to hear how Obama has made America Islamic.
#28. To: Liberator (#25)
Thank you for digging your hole deeper.I'd drop you a rope, but you'd only tie it into a noose.
Just show me where any of this is wrong.
Why is that so hard for you to do?
#29. To: Gatlin (#23)
“We have already seen a number of Christian atrocities, not only in considering the Crusades and other wars including wars fought on God's behalf, but in considering forced conversions, Christian vandalism, persecution and slavery . Christians also have a poor record in facilitating the worst forms of colonialism. Here we look at just one example, probably the most extreme: The Congo Free State.”
The Belgian Congo was a horrible episode in human brutality carried out by Christians but not for religious reasons. The atrocities carried out were not part of a Christian rule book for punishments nor done to get Africans to become Christians. The Belgian/Europeans worked the local population to death and to get those that did not want to live as slaves they enacted brutalities to make sure they broke resistance.
ISIS maybe bad or good Muslims depending on what version of Islam you follow but clearly their agenda is for a theocracy based on their view of Islam. The Congo state existed to make the Belgian king richer.
#30. To: Liberator (#24)
He has shown no behaviors that many of the American people can trust to their Commander- in-Chief. His remaining time as Commander-in-Chief and President is passing far too slowly!VERY nice...VERY believable. *cough*
(The explanation point at the end wuz a nice touch)
You do not agree that "(Obama) has shown no behaviors that many of the American people can trust to their Commander- in-Chief. His remaining time as Commander- in-Chief and President is passing far too slowly!He has shown no behaviors that many of the American people can trust to their Commander- in-Chief. His remaining time as Commander-in-Chief and President is passing far too slowly?"
#31. To: Gatlin (#26)
On, you only want to censor my posting...I get it.
LOL...
Aah, what a pitiful carnival barker you've become. I don't mean that in a bad way. Do you perform the shell game as well?
#32. To: Pericles (#29)
The Belgian Congo was a horrible episode in human brutality carried out by Christians but not for religious reasons.
There was Christian brutality in whatever name it was conducted.
#33. To: Gatlin (#30)
There once wuz a story of a boy who cried wolf. By the end of the story no one believes a word of his.
If credibility were currency, you'd be...Dead Broke :-(
#34. To: Liberator (#31) (Edited)
On, you only want to censor my posting...I get it.LOL...
Aah, what a pitiful carnival barker you've become. I don't mean that in a bad way. Do you perform the shell game as well?
Get lost, Punk.
You are doing nothing here except trying to cause disruption.
But thanks for providing me a platform from which to launch articles you have not disputed as inaccurate.
Two more boys identified as three-year dig and investigation of the abuse inflicted on mostly black students at the now-closed Florida school nears final stages Forensic researchers sifting the grounds of a notorious Florida reform school at the centre of a decades-long abuse scandal have identified the remains of two more bodies from 51 recovered so far from unmarked graves. The investigative team has also revealed horrific new allegations about the extent of physical and sexual abuse inflicted on the mostly African American students at the now-closed Arthur G Dozier School for Boys in Marianna, including details of a secret “rape dungeon” where victims younger than 12 were taken to be molested. The revelations come in an interim report submitted to Florida’s senior politicians by Tampa-based anthropologists from the University of South Florida as they prepare for the final stages of their three-year dig at the school in the spring and early summer. The team’s leader, Erin Kimmerle, said that while charges against the perpetrators were unlikely due to the deaths of many former staff members and the statute of limitations on crimes that took place up to a century ago, their work was important to the survivors and victims’ families. “After three years our focus is more than ever on the present, educating the living about what happened in the past, mourning with families of those who died at Dozier and supporting them as they seek justice,” she said in the report. “Even in cases where law enforcement and prosecutors are unable to file criminal charges, transparency and acknowledgement of the abuses are important components for reconciling conflict.” The researchers found that officials “consistently underreported” the number of deaths that occurred at the school between its opening in 1900 and 1960, the latest date for which records are currently publicly available, and that numerous bodies were buried with slack or missing documentation outside the marked cemetery known as Boot Hill. One set of remains was found with what appeared to be a shotgun pellet, Kimmerle said, while others showed signs of blunt force trauma and “substantial evidence” of malnutrition, infections and a near-total absence of dental care. Among the allegations of a group of survivors known as the White House Boys, nicknamed for the building in which they say they suffered the worst abuse, are accounts of youths being beaten unconscious while chained to walls or beds, raped by staff and other students in a basement or simply disappearing after excessive punishments for minor infractions such as smoking or truancy. The USF report contains details of a six-year-old boy who died after being sent out to work as a houseboy, and a teenager who was found shot to death and covered by a blanket after running away from the school. “It’s been exciting to get a picture of these children, and their lives, from the science,” Kimmerle said. “[But] it’s sad the way people treated each other. It’s a window on a period of a lot of change from the early [20th] century to the 1960s.” The university team has now positively identified five bodies from those recovered, either through DNA or contextual evidence. The latest two are Sam Morgan, who spent at least two spells at the school following his first arrival, aged 18, in September 1915, and Bennett Evans, an adult school employee believed to have died in a dormitory fire in 1914. Last August, Ovell Krell, the sister of the first victim to be identified, George Owen Smith, who disappeared from the school in 1940 at the age of 14, told the Guardian of her relief at the solving of a 74-year mystery. “It’s been an emotional journey and now I can finally get some closure, some peace of mind,” she said. State lawmakers approved grants of almost half a million dollars to fund the USF investigation shortly after the school was closed, for financial reasons, in 2011. A year earlier a report by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which recorded only 32 graves, concluded there was insufficient evidence to prove or refute the allegations of physical or sexual abuse. Kimmerle said that the researchers were working with the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office to find surviving family members of boys who attended the school who could provide DNA samples to match with unidentified remains. “There is a lot of work left to do, in the field, in the lab and filling in the gaps in the records and archives we have,” she said. Watch video about the investigation from August 2014 here. |
#35. To: Gatlin, Liberator (#34)
You are doing nothing here except trying to cause disruption.
You should take a few moments of your precious time and reflect upon yourself before pointing fingers.
#36. To: Pridie.Nones (#35) (Edited)
You should take a few moments of your precious time and reflect upon yourself before pointing fingers.
Thanks, I just devoterd two seconds to that.
Ah, I feel much better!!!
Can you find anything incorrect in the articles?
#37. To: Gatlin (#36)
Thanks, I just devoterd two seconds to that.
You have a very short attention span. Maybe you should take a HUGE amount of time.
Ah, I feel much better!!!
I doubt it.
Can you find anything incorrect in the articles?
You mean your attempt at spamming & flooding & phishing? Oh no, you are the best!
#38. To: Liberator (#24)
I don't know about you, but it seems to me that Gatlin has become an anti-Christian propagandist, but GOOD!
And of course one of his go-to sources just happens to be the SPLC.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#39. To: cranky (#10)
Wasn't that interview done by Brian Williams?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#40. To: Murron, Obolo Supporters (#15)
Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#41. To: Gatlin (#4)
And the argument that the Crusades — which resulted in the deaths of untold thousands — were only in response to Muslim provocation is highly contested among historians.
No, it is not contested among historians. All of the Middle East and North Africa were strongly Christian, prior to the time of Mohammed.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
#42. To: stoner (#0)
self ping
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#43. To: CZ82 (#40)
" Hmmmm, I wonder how many Muslims Obolo has brought into this country since he took office? Couple 100,000 or a couple million? "
Hard to say. Too many though. Unfortunately, that process was started before he moved into the White Hut.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#44. To: Gatlin, Pericles, cranky, All (#19) (Edited)
"if anything his policies like supporting abortion and gay rights is anti-Muslim"."and tell him, and everyone, what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic."
Pericles, as long as you are watching obama's right hand, then you won't be bothered by what he's doing with his left~
No president, from the founding fathers of this nation, till today, has seen fit after Islamic barbarians committed savage, inhumane atrocities before the cameras of the world, Obama has. A sane person does not jump to the defense of evil doers, a sane person does not incourage them with praise for their KORAN, that leads them on to even more wholesale slaughter, while in the same breath, trash his own country, blame this country and our people for their acts of savagery in the name of their heathen god.
These rabid animals have all the support and encouragement they need from the lips of Obama himself to continue, they don't need mine, and will never have it...NEVER! - jmho
#1 “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”
#2 “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”
#3 “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”
#4 “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”
#5 “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
#6 “Islam has always been part of America”
#7 “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”
#8 “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”
#9 “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”
#10 “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.”
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
#45. To: Murron (#44)
Very good post. Those that doubt Ovomit's support for Islam should read your post #44, several times!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#46. To: Gatlin, Pridie.Nones, Liberator, pericles, Murron, cranky, GarySpFc, Stoner, All (#36)
Can you find anything incorrect in the articles?
Yes, its premise of pretense of moral relevancy. Anyone can spin facts or selectively cherry pick facts to support an argument. But that does not give weight or validity to the agrument in the overall context of reality.
The Crusades, Inquisition, the institution and justification of slavery in the name of Christ occured hunreds of years ago - in other words in the distant PAST. What is occurring in the name of Isalm around the glode (ISIS, Boko Haram, etc.) is happening NOW. People, societies, civilizations grow and mature, many to the point where the acknowledge and condemn past actions within their ranks and no longer tolerate it. Where is the KKK and its ilk these days? Christian America roundly and publically rejected these groups and told them you can't live with us and to get out of Dodge - or else.
What is occurring in the name if Isalm is in real time, not hundreds of years ago BUT it isn't much different what was done in the name of Islam hundreds of years ago. One critical difference, if not the singular most important one, is that Muslims around the glode, en masse, clearly and loudly, not even Jordan yet, has told ISIS and its ilk to go away, you can't live with us, get out of Mecca - or else.
Get it?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#47. To: Gatlin (#19)
After you finish rolling on the floor, please get up and tell him, and everyone, what Obama has done to make the USA more Islamic.
Put up a welcome sign for the migration of tens of thousands of muslims who are building mosques scattered throughout the country.
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