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Religion Title: Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption The Virginia state Senate passed legislation Thursday allowing private adoption agencies to deny placements that conflict with their religious or moral beliefs, including opposition to homosexuality. The mostly party-line 22-18 vote virtually ensures the Republican-backed bill will become law. The House of Delegates has an identical version of the bill and Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell says he will sign it. Virginia would become just the second state with such a law, which supporters said was modeled after North Dakota's. State Sen. Jeffrey McWaters, a Republican from Virginia Beach, said his "conscience clause" bill protects the religious rights of private child placement agencies, including dozens that contract with the state to provide foster care and adoption services. "This is completely consistent with state and federal law," McWaters said. "It does not change who can or cannot adopt a child." Sen. Adam Ebbin, D-Alexandria and the only openly gay member of the General Assembly, suggested all the talk about religious freedom is a smokescreen for discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people. "It has always been about denying LGBT Virginians the right to form families, no matter what we say," Ebbin said. He said the bill will endanger gay and bisexual children, who make up a disproportionate share of youths awaiting a home, by allowing agencies to place them with parents opposed to homosexuality. "This does not uphold anyone's moral principles," Ebbin said. "It's morally wrong." Sen. John Edwards, D-Roanoke, said agencies that contract with the state should not be allowed to discriminate. "You have a right to exercise religion as you see fit, but you don't have a right to impose it on someone else using state dollars," he said. Sen. Mark Herring, D-Loudoun, said the bill conflicts with the principle that the best interest of the child is paramount. "Neither the interests of the placement agency nor their beliefs should stand in the way," he said. The Family Foundation of Virginia, which lobbied for the legislation, lauded the Senate's action. "The passage of conscience protection for private child placement agencies by a bipartisan majority in the Senate is a tremendous victory for religious liberty and for the thousands of children and families around Virginia that are served by these agencies," Victoria Cobb, the foundation's president, said in a written statement. The Child Welfare League of America had sent a letter to senators earlier in the week urging them to reject the bill, saying it would just make it more difficult to place the approximately 1,300 Virginia children waiting for a home. "These children have been through so much already," Christine James-Brown, president of the organization, wrote. "It is cruel to deny them a secure home with a qualified family that happens to differ from the religious or moral beliefs held by a particular agency." If either the House or the Senate approves the other chamber's bill unchanged, it will go to the governor. If either chamber amends the bill _ which seems unlikely after the Senate rejected a string of amendments proposed by Democrats on Wednesday _ it could be sent to conference committee to resolve the differences. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 54. It is wrong to deliberately place a child in a home lacking either male or female influences. Also, male children should never be placed with lesbians - who uniformly take out their man-hate on them - or with gay males, who very often will raise them for the purpose of molestation.
#9. To: thoughtomator (#6) Also, male children should never be placed with lesbians - who uniformly take out their man-hate on them - or with gay males, who very often will raise them for the purpose of molestation. Where the fuck do you come up with your drivel? Do you just make it up?
#10. To: meguro (#9) It's called common sense and those who do not have homosexual mental problems and are not brainwashed by Marxism can see it as self-evident. Giving children to homosexuals is offensive to Nature itself - which, it should be noted, gives no children to homosexuals.
#11. To: thoughtomator (#10) (Edited) It's called common sense It's called homophobic drivel.
#13. To: meguro (#11) It's called homophobic drivel. There is no such thing as a homophobe. It is just a word some insecure faggots made up to try and make themselves feel better. You are two things though. You are a normaphobe and a pussyphobe.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#13) "There is no such thing as a homophobe." Racism is built on irrational fear and ignorance whose worst manifestation is the desire to force others to surrender to the irrational fear and hatred blighting the soul and spirit of those suffering from it. The same is true concerning the wedge issue of hatred and persecution of gay people. To be homophobic is nothing to be proud of, and speaks only of the worst part of anyone advocating such an irrational lynch mob attitude towrd others.
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#18) Racism Pay attention to the conversation. We aren't talking about racism.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22) "Pay attention to the conversation. We aren't talking about racism." Pay attention to the fact I used it as an example to compare a similar irrational hatred and wedge issue.
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23) Pay attention to the fact I used it as an example to compare a similar irrational hatred and wedge issue. There are no similarities. One is a skin color that you are born of. One is an action one decides to take.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#24) (Edited) One os born with a predilection that imprints them with a desire for a same gender partner. It is proven by well vetted research that it is hardly a choice, it is an expression of inherent nature of many people. This is why so called 'cures' of people who have no control over what fires their rocket than you do fail miserably. 'Cured' people generally return to their inherent preference of a sexual partner; regardless of any desire to get them to do otherwise.
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#26) One os born with a predilection that imprints them with a desire for a same gender partner. It is proven by well vetted research Mike you are stupid. You just read that in a book and it fit your mentally deranged view of the world. So you adopted it as your talking point. It isn't true. The net effect of your words are to try and recruit kids into a perversion by saying that it is ok and natural. You are a sicko.
#33. To: A K A Stone (#29) I didn't 'just read a book.' Society is changing, and being homosexual is no longer considered an affliction based on very extensive and well conducted research. I am aware of this research as are those who are successfully working for change. Keep your head in the sand like and ostrich and feed your irrational hatred all you want, but in the end it will get you nowhere.
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#33) I didn't 'just read a book.' Society is changing, Society is changing is a weak argument too. What is right and wrong are always the same. It doesn't matter if society is changing. When nazi Germany changed it was still wrong to murder Jews. Because America changed and legalized abortion doesn't mean it is now right to have an abortion. So just because people like you have infiltrated the minds of innocent children and sold them the hell damning lie that it is normal and good to engage in such conduct, it is still wrong. Your arguments are that of a weak child that are easily defeated.
#42. To: A K A Stone (#37) What is right and wrong is always the same, and there have always been gay people. Trying to stop consenting adults from having the sort of sexual relationships they are imprinted with has always been a fool's errand. You can't legislate or in any way coerce people to be what they are not. Studies show that the imprinting of sexual preference is very strong and fundamental to human nature. Just as you cannot imagine having sex with another man and find it not the least titillating a notion does not mean someone feeling the same as you do does not constitute a rational reason to hate someone who feels just like you do, only toward the same gender. Gay people similarly cannot imagine feeling any other way other than their nature anymore than you can. Trying to force people to ignore something primal to their nature is always going to fail, regardless of the force used, or laws passed that are a denial of a basic truth about people. You can't legislate what consenting adults do in the bedroom. It is a fool's errand that is always going to fail.
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#42) What is right and wrong is always the same, and there have always been gay people. Mike there have always been murderers too. So by an extension of your screwed up logic. Murder is also alright. Mike there is something not right about you.
#50. To: A K A Stone (#43) "Mike there have always been murderers too." Murder does not involve consenting adults. The behavior a murderer engages in that precipitates to murder is usually pretty damn reprehensible. Homosexual behavior between like minded people hurts no one, and gay people are very much just as productive and well adjusted socially as straight people.
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#50) Murder does not involve consenting adults. The behavior a murderer engages in that precipitates to murder is usually pretty damn reprehensible. You said right is always the same. Right and wrong are the same for children and adults. So you must think that pedophiles are normal if the kid is consenting. Mike you are sick.
Replies to Comment # 54. "So you must think that pedophiles are normal if the kid is consenting." You need maturity and seasoning to be able to form consent. Which is why there are statutory rape laws, and why pedophiles victimize. A twenty-five year old woman having sexual relations with another twenty-five year old woman is only a big deal if you make it that way, and both people are old enough, and have enough life experience to make the choice of whom they go to bed with. And it is not up to people like you to impress their lack of empathy or human tolerance on them to make them do otherwise.
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