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Religion Title: Mocking Jesus on Israeli TV
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#2. To: A K A Stone (#1) Interesting. The fact that the neocons don't seem to care?
#3. To: Jack (#0) I wonder where the subtitles come from..... kinda makes you wonder if it isn't like the Hitler ones... parodies..... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_) #4. To: Jack (#2) (Edited)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 #5. To: Jack (#0) Seems sort of silly and shallow, esp , considering that Jesus chose his fate. He could have denied he was Christ any number of times.
#6. To: CZ82 (#3) I wonder where the subtitles come from..... kinda makes you wonder if it isn't like the Hitler ones... parodies..... The subtitles are in English so you can understand the video.
#7. To: Jack (#6) I wonder where the subtitles come from..... kinda makes you wonder if it isn't like the Hitler ones... parodies..... There are about 20 Hitler parodies done with the exact same film clip but different English subtitles for each one..... So that is why I said are the subtitles of the above clip actually what was said, or was it another parody. "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_) #8. To: Jack (#0) She's hot. I'd do her. "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 #9. To: CZ82 (#7) (Edited) There are about 20 Hitler parodies done with the exact same film clip but different English subtitles for each one But this video DOES make fun of nailing someone to the cross, so I suspect the subtitles are accurate. "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 #10. To: CZ82 (#7) There are about 20 Hitler parodies done with the exact same film clip but different English subtitles for each one..... So that is why I said are the subtitles of the above clip actually what was said, or was it another parody. It's not a parody. And no Israelis media outlet has said so.
#11. To: diva betsy ross (#5) (Edited) "Seems sort of silly and shallow, esp , considering that Jesus chose his fate. He could have denied he was Christ any number of times." The point is that were this show to have originated in Iran, there would be Koran burnings and calls for war. Because this is a Israeli show, it only rates a tepid "silly and shallow" rating. It's only blasphemy if the Muslims do this. #12. To: Ferret Mike (#11) Hmm? Actually I don't really care who mocks Christ, as long as they do not report to be a minister, Priest or Pastor. Blasphemy is when a Christian religious leader denies or mocks Christ. Everyone else is free to do what they want to do. I don't listen to anything a Muslim religious leaders says either, FWIW.
#13. To: diva betsy ross (#12) Actually I don't really care who mocks Christ, as long as they do not report to be a minister, Priest or Pastor. But an Imam or Rabbi mocking Christ is okay with you? Actually, Imams don't mock Christ. Rabbis are the only "clergy" that do this. "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 #14. To: jwpegler (#13) It is not really that it is ok with me... it is more like it is none of my business or any of my concern. Jesus got mocked- God is used to it. They do it at their own peril anyway. I am not Jewish so I already have shown I have no faith in Rabbis, nor do I value their opinion of Jesus.
#15. To: diva betsy ross (#12) (Edited) "Hmm? Actually I don't really care who mocks Christ, as long as they do not report to be a minister, Priest or Pastor." Bully for you, however I was referring primarily to the way many in the U.S. would reflexively react were this to be an Iranian and not an Israeli show.
"Blasphemy is when a Christian religious leader denies or mocks Christ. Everyone else is free to do what they want to do." In a court of law, a judge would laud you for strict adherence to the proper dictionary definition of that term. However, to Muslims, mocking Mohamed is blasphemy. Not to mention that in the past what a state required it's citizens to go to church, thus legally defining everyone as Christian, the blasphemy term would be one of the legal charges against someone not allowed by law a non-Christian who did something like this. In many places at many times in human history, it was a crime to not be a practicing Christian. #16. To: Ferret Mike (#15) Mike- I used to be a wiccan (for a short time). I know all about the stuff that Wiccans believe- but they are wrong about Christ. Most people are wrong about Christ- because of religious people. I just have to tell you that. As far as anyone being forced to be a Christian- I can't agree with "many times in many places people being forced to be Christian". Could you tell me what you are referring to?
#17. To: diva betsy ross (#16) (Edited) Throughout the sixteenth century Europeans quickly subjugated native peoples plundering of their lands and wealth. Europeans justified this with the view that natives were not Christian, and, particularly after witnessing the mass human sacrifices conducted by the Aztecs, and lack of traditional civilization by other natives, savage, and not deserving to possess the New World. Emperor Constantine of Rome himself was the first to write a law of worship on Sunday. The Spanish had a legal requirement to read a legal document to natives in the New World that this point was where they had to declare themselved Christian and faithful to the crown, or the Spanish were not responsible for the bloodletting, enslavement or torture which would occur if they failed to meet this standard of belief and conduct. Usually this was read in Spanish to incomprenending people not familiar with the tongu, but in the eyes of Spanish law that did not matter.
"The Spanish requirement of 1513
There are many examples of this historically. Want more? #18. To: diva betsy ross (#12) South Korea:- A chronology of Christian attacks against Buddhism There is more on this in the link. Christianity did not get as pervasive as it is with mere persuasion. Many people have died, been imprisoned and tortured for not going along with the program. Many thousands of people were burned as witches who were just practitioners of herbal medicine, talked to themselves or animals, or contradicted the local authority and pissed them off. I do not begrudge anyone their religion, but I am well aware of the hypocrisy involved in much of the laments about Islam many Christians have. Both religions are too aggressive about recruitment, and feel you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. This is an apt metaphor as it denotes how little many care about who they hurt or what rights are violated by their advocacy to promote their religion. #19. To: diva betsy ross (#14) it is more like it is none of my business or any of my concern But it's okay that taxpayers are forced to send Israel billions of dollars in subsidies each year? "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 #20. To: jwpegler (#19) But it's okay that taxpayers are forced to send Israel billions of dollars in subsidies each year? We shouln't send anyone foreign aid. At least not until the national debt is repaid.
#21. To: Ferret Mike (#18) (Edited) Hmm- Well, I believe that the Muslims have done far greater damage to the Buddhists than anyone else in the world.. I believe this is anti Christian propaganda. No Christian I know would support any killing of anyone. Beside that- why would we kill Buddhists? Jesus and Buddha are buds. Buddhism is a very peaceful philosophy. I love his holiness the Dali Lama. I don't worship him, or think he is God- but he is pretty cool in my book. He does NOT have the power to save, that Jesus has- but he is a good guy. Why would we kill Buddhists? Why would we FORCE anyone? It isn't going to help anyone get into Heaven by FORCING anyone to be a Christian. Some horrible things have been done in the name of religion, in history, yes.. and some of those people claimed to be Christians, but Christians don't kill people for not converting- at least not in many hundreds of years. They were wrong when they killed people for not converting. I don't know any church who would support killing Buddhists.
#22. To: diva betsy ross (#21) I love his holiness the Dali Lama. I don't worship him Uh...ahem....He isn't holy.
#23. To: jwpegler (#19) I do support Israel. For three reasons: 1) Their location 2) It is the right thing to do, because without our support they are in trouble- and we located many of them there after the war 3)Because Israel is the jewel of God's eye. About Taxpayers having to pay so much- I will give you that we should cut that back a bit. BUT I support the support of Israel. If I supported them ONLY for religious reasons, I would say no- taxpayers should not have to pay. But they are a very strategic ally for us as well. Provide for the common defense is one of the only, original, reasons we have a federal government. I am a conservative - so I say-cut welfare and support Israel.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#22) He is NOT my most Holy,. but out of respect I will give him his full, offical title. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. One of the things I am looking forward to, when I get to Heaven tho- I have to tell you is to see if Buddha is there. :) I am curious. I think he will be. I think he asked to be saved, before he died.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#20) I agree that all foreign aid must stop until we get our own economy in order. If you're gonna stir my pot, you'd better get a good grip on the handle! #26. To: A K A Stone (#22) "Uh...ahem....He isn't holy" Are Catholic Saints holy? Humans can reach a degree of overall enlightenment that makes them holy enough this becomes the general consensus about them. You don't need to be a Christian to know holiness. Buddha was a holy man whom Christians often mistake as being presented as a god. Holiness is not a franchise owned and controlled by Christianity. #27. To: Ferret Mike (#26) Holiness is not a franchise owned and controlled by Christianity. No muslim, budist, wiccan, hindu is holy. Only God is holy.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#27) Not so. Not anymore than how on some level many religions are talking about the same thing. Christians do not have a controlling interest in the religion business, just a franchise. #29. To: Ferret Mike (#28) Mike there is only one God. The rest is bullshit. There is a devil too. Some people think he is God. Some people even worship him.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29) (Edited) You are repeating yourself. No sale. I respect your right to your religion, but I have never been Christian and want nothing to do with believing in it. If anything, being told to go to church as a kid despite my wishes only reinforced that. #31. To: Ferret Mike (#30) No sale. I respect your right to your religion, but I have never been Christian and want nothing to do with believing in it. Who was it that said we choose where we spend eternity? No matter it proves itself out regularly.
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#26) (Edited) Catholic saints. They are not holy to me, but out of respect for humans and their right to choose differenly than me, I will use the word saint. In my understanding, it is ok for me to show respect to other people, even when I do not agree with them. Mike I have to tell you, I respect your right to choose to be a wiccan, but I do think it is about Satan. I was in wicca. I know you all talk about paganism, but really, it leads to satan worship. It just does. Christ is the only God who can save us, and who rose from the dead. Jesus is in a class all by himself. In wicca you have witchcraft and that is effective, sometimes... but witchcraft will not save you or redeem you.
#33. To: diva betsy ross (#32) Being Wiccan or Pagan has nothing to do with Satan. Wiccans don't even believe in your Satan. You may very well have practiced black magic as a Wiccan. I can completely see you as a black witch. I've been watching you destroy Christianity on the other site. Believe what you want to believe, but all belief systems have a path to salvation. If you're gonna stir my pot, you'd better get a good grip on the handle! #34. To: diva betsy ross (#32) Satan is a myth. We do not recognize the concept of the devil or hell vehicles used to scare people enough to keep them in the flock. I was forced to go to church every Sunday and to do the catechism afterward. It was a hostage crisis from first grade on. I gave up arguing passionately to get out of it in third grade, and when I got big enough my Mom couldn't force me to go. The haircuts stopped and only happened again in the Army, and I will never change. We have a large and vibrant Wicca community here in Eugene, and my social life is entrenched into a shared leadership role in it. I helped make it what it is. I am an iconoclast by nature, and that will never change either. Christianity, and Islam which is a lot like it, and several of the others are geared to manage and control human culture. Our religion is about respect and love for all life. And we don't harass people for foolish petty hatreds concerning homosexuality, what country someone was born in, or other immature control freak games. My religion teaches me to fight my political and social battles whiteout fear and hatred. And we do not believe in proselytizing, and believe anyone can reach the higher levels of enlightenment in any of the religions mankind has dreamed up; even yours. That is an alien concept that I find most distasteful. #35. To: mel (#33) We do not tolerate negative or vindictive spell casting. That is something quite against the Rede and the law of three. #36. To: mel (#33) Being Wiccan or Pagan has nothing to do with Satan. Wiccans don't even believe in your Satan. Wiccans are gullible. It is satan they worship. If they believe in him or not.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36) "Wiccans are gullible. It is satan they worship. If they believe in him or not." Your childish baiting and attempt to insult amuse me. You are not going to get me to decend to your level, dude. Sorry about your luck. ;-D #38. To: Ferret Mike (#35) We do not tolerate negative or vindictive spell casting. That is something quite against the Rede and the law of three. Yes, Mike. I know these things. I have read many books related to Wicca. It is a peaceful and understanding religion. It is one of my favorites, next to Hinduism. ;-) If you're gonna stir my pot, you'd better get a good grip on the handle! #39. To: Ferret Mike (#34) Satan is not a myth, Mike. And there is a Heaven and there is one way to get there: Jesus. I understand your story. Enlightenment and living in harmony is excellent, a good way to live- but it does not save, it won't get you to Heaven- and there is something so much deeper than enlightenment. As I said, I have tried other things, and I know what I am talking about. I don't have a religion, personally. I have a savior. I believe you have a philosophy, and I agree with it because it all starts with the Golden Rule. There are good people who are not religious or spiritual at all. They are also not going to Heaven. That makes me sad, but I don't force things on them, if that is their choice. Jesus just takes the Golden Rule out further, and has the blessings of God. There is no religion or philosopher who can give you what Jesus gives you. You might want to check it out just to make some comparisons. Just to make sure you really understand what people are talking about, and saying about Jesus. I bet you $100.00 bucks you would discover something surprising.
#40. To: A K A Stone (#36) That is absolutely true, Stone. They worship satan, and many are just very nice people, looking for some control over their environment. Most have troubled pasts, and look for a way to be meaningful.. I can't fault them. Heck, I was in Wicca for awhile. (I was still praying to Jesus- but I was there with them) The people I met were just lovely, but they were doing Satan's work. I was doing Satan's work. Jesus's way is so much more deep and satisfying.
#41. To: All (#38) The religions are different approaches to the divine. At least some of them are equally valid paths to salvation, none of which may consider themselves superior to the others. Jesus Christ is therefore one amongst many bringers of salvation and revelation which are equally valid, in other words one way. God is only one (useful or burdensome) construct of the human mind. All religions and their founders are therefore equally true and equally untrue – the difference being inconsequential. Each man or woman should achieve bliss in their own way, and it is of no importance whether one follows Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed or whoever. If you're gonna stir my pot, you'd better get a good grip on the handle! . . . Comments (42 - 55) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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