"The Antichrist has come to our land."

Well, looks like at least some Ukrainians believe that "Putin is Gog."

Do y'all agree? If so, what is your reasoning?

I remain cynical...MUD

Because "Gog" is mythical nonsense believed in by crazy people reading ancient nonsense.

But if their belief in it makes them tougher to fight it, good!

Because "Gog" is mythical nonsense believed in by crazy people reading ancient nonsense.

Oh, you mean "mythical nonsense" like the bible?

There are undoubtedly many opinions surrounding Gog, Magog, and the intensely complex themes in these biblical texts. GotQuestions is one of the outlets that has provided an explainer regarding Russia, among other facets.

“Gog is a person. Whoever Gog is, he is from the land of Magog and is the leader of Tubal and Meshek (some translations add ‘Rosh’ to the list) and a confederacy of other nations: Persia, Cush, Put, Gomer, and Beth Togarmah (Ezekiel 38:5–6),” the outlet notes.

“And, whoever he is, he will have plans to ‘attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people,’ viz., Israel (verses 11, 14, and 18). But, regardless of Gog’s plans, the Lord God is against him and will defeat him soundly (Ezekiel 38:4, 19–23; 39:3–5).”

You Papists and Mary worshipers aren't really fond of biblical prophecy, are you?

Here's why Christians are connecting Gog and Magog to the Ukraine war.

Mary worshipers

What are the spiritual dynamics taking place with Catholics and Mary? The Bible tells us...

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

One definition of "mammon" is...a false object of worship and devotion.

Take out the word "mammon" and substitute the word "Mary".

With the Catholic, Mary sits as the "second master" in their heart, acting as a subtle diversion away from Christ.

While it may be subtle, the diversion Mary causes undermines the "fullness" of Christ, preventing Catholics from salvation through Christ alone.

Christ will not play "second fiddle" to any mere human, and that is why the Catholic heart remains empty, devoid of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

aren't really fond of biblical prophecy

And without the indwelling Holy Spirit, Scripture doesn't have much meaning to them. They tend to gravitate only to those Scriptures that support their dead cult/religion.

Papists

As if Mary were not enough of a diversion from Christ, the Pope will gladly fill any gaps.

BTW...it is conceivable that Putinz aggressive actions and the resultant outrage and economic punishments will result in a severe Depression in Russia that result in Putinz ouster. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Hitler-like leader rises up to bring back Russia from economic ruin...and this wouldbe Gog/Satan will be a smooth charmer not unlike Gorbachev.

Jesus talking to the Churches, which is good. Jesus closing out the set at the end, which is good. And then John's crazy fever dream in the middle with all the imagery, which is opaque and useless.

Now, ol' Stone has always been an Equal Opportunity Pain in the Tookus...lol. But he ain't quick to ban, which I have always admired and supported. Not gonna say that in the Valley of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is King, but there just aren't that many places on the Internet where the Power of the ModSquad isn't pissing off someone. Might I recommend more aggressive use of the "Bozo" function to filter out comments from those whose opinions decrease your enjoyment of this Forum.

Regards, all...MUD

And then John's crazy fever dream in the middle with all the imagery, which is opaque and useless.

More Catholic ignorance.

"...ignorance."

Right. Because you were there, so you know.

I'm pretty smart, and have been interested in religion for years, so I've read. I've especially read the Bible, in different versions, over and over and over. KJV, NIV, New American Bible, RSV, NRSV, Jersualem, Concnrdant, NKJV, l'Edition du Nouveau Monde, and interlinears too, of the Greek, of the Hebrea, of the different main base texts - Bible after Bible I've read, and I've come to many realizations in the process.

I've also read oceans of commentary ABOUT the Bible, its translations, issues, considerations. Some of it polemic, with people accusing each other of bad faith, being agents of Satan, etc.

First, they all mostly say exactly the same thing.

Second, I'll notice that where they differ, it is almost always an issue of which underlying text one has translated, but also, it's a matter of the preference of the translator - what the translator believes is how the text is translated.

Third, I will note that most people do not have the patience or the reasonableness to hold different translations in their mind. They have to chose ONE, and reject the others. But I hold several in my mind at once, and I consider the difference, sometimes the wide difference, in views to be interesting and worth further exploration.

Other people are superstitious and ignorant, and if what they discover differs from what they learned, or what their own pastor (who himself has very probably not read as much or as deeply) says, they are inclined to start screaming at the source that says something different, AS IF they were contacted by God and told THE TRUTH.

That they believe that, of course, is pathetic. Several of you sure talk that way, as though God talked to you and gave you correct details.

And this authorizes you to be assholes to other people.

Which, then, either awakens their inner asshole, and you bark at each other like junkyard dogs.

Or it encourages the people who have actually taken the time to read so much, and think so much, to just walk on by, disgusted.

The dogs bark, the caravan passes.

as though God talked to you and gave you correct details.

Hewbrews 1:1-3...God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

God HAS spoken to me with correct details...through His Son, Who is the Word of God.

I'm pretty smart...so I've read.

Sorry to burst your bubble. I know men who are smarter than you, way smarter. What you've described as smart, to hold various translations in your mind at once, good grief, that child's play.

And this authorizes you to be assholes to other people.

Maybe it's just you, Vic, not liking the truth of God's Word. It pierces your heart, and you hate it. You hate the light of the gospel because it shines into your darkness.

The Good News is this...God exposes us for what we are...but instantly forgives us as soon as we acknowledge who He is, and that He paid the penalty for those sins in full.

Most famous verse in the Bible is 'misunderstood by millions'

'There is a simple solution to this mysterious dilemma'

By WND Staff

March 27, 2022

Kovacs explains: "John 3:16 is brilliantly correlating what happened with the people's ancient rescue from death to everyone's eternal rescue from death that Jesus provided by being lifted up on His own pole, His own execution stake."

"Hence, it is not about God loving the world soooo much, but rather it is that during the execution of Jesus, God was loving the people of the world like so, in a manner that gave them a way to escape their death penalty, in the same way, in the same manner as the ancient Israelites were spared the death penalty when they looked at the snake mounted on the pole. God is ... merely repeating --- the imagery."

Funny

We're noT To love The world also

God doesn'T - He haTes iT

Love
Boris

PS

People - knowledgeable - don'T Think - see The error

Don'T Take iT liTerally

They know The correcT meaning

Even if iT is sTaTed falsely

Just like

calling * far righT * fascism

They are polar opposiTes - liberals - staTisTs - worldly poliTics

Far righT ( 666 ) = far lefT ( 666 )

righT (TTT ) = freedom - under God - noT govT

Pss

Vicomte13 jusT debaTes the convenTional - worldly meanings

Doesn'T comprehend realiTy

his brain washing is comforTable - Thick - impeneTrable

EnlighTenmenT - evoluTion - reason

ThaT's The purpose of The bapTism - Holy SpiriT

Would be the righT TranslaTion

Love
Boris

PS

In God's world

They're no misTakes

Regards...MUD

BTW...and when you feel unfairly "shat upon", it is always wise to just consider the source. They usually ain't folks you have a burning need to impress and bring over to your way of thinking on this issue or that.

Failing that, I want to be left alone.

Our country will allow neither. So I have to be irritated a lot. Just got a ticket yesterday for using my cell phone. Yes, I was using the navigation feature to get somewhere. Cop didn't care, gave me a ticket and now I have to pay $138 and have points on my license.

Nothing I CAN do. But if I COULD snap my fingers and cause him to have an agonizing heart attack, be crippled, and suffer as a blind cripple for the rest of his life, I would.