Fifth Circuit Rules Obamacare Individual Mandate Unconstitutional
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/19/19-10011-CV0.pdf
Texas et al v United States et al, 19-10011 (5th Cir, 18 Dec 2019) Opinion
Before KING, ELROD, and ENGELHARDT, Circuit Judges.
Opinion by JENNIFER WALKER ELROD, Circuit Judge. A dissenting opinion was filed by King, Circuit Judge.
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In NFIB, the individual mandatemost naturally read as a command to purchase insurancewas saved from unconstitutionality because it could be read together with the shared responsibility payment as an option to purchase insurance or pay a tax. It could be read this way because the shared responsibility payment produced revenue. It no longer does so. Therefore, the most straightforward reading applies: the mandate is a command. Using that meaning, the individual mandate is unconstitutional.
#1: paraclete To: nolu chan (#0)
paraclete posted on 2019-12-18 20:06:36 Reply Private Reply
#2: Pinguinite To: paraclete (#1)
Taxation for the purpose of behavior control is also unconstitutional, and the mandate/penalty/tax on people for not buying insurance is clearly in place for the purpose of behavior control.
Pinguinite posted on 2019-12-18 20:28:15 Reply Private Reply
#3: nolu chan To: paraclete (#1)
In the instant case, the part about a supposed tax which is not able to generate any revenue.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-18 23:45:05 Reply Private Reply
#4: paraclete To: nolu chan (#3)
paraclete posted on 2019-12-19 07:46:28 Reply Private Reply
#5: misterwhite To: Pinguinite (#2)
What about a tax reduction for behavioral control? Contributing to charity is a deduction which lowers your taxes, right?
How about this? What if Obamacare stipulated that everyone must pay the penalty, but those with health insurance get a tax credit equal to the penalty?
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-19 09:43:57 Reply Private Reply
#6: goldilucky To: misterwhite (#5)
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-19 17:13:19 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: paraclete (#4)
That what the court said.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-19 18:02:07 Reply Private Reply
#8: Vicomte13 To: Pinguinite (#2)
Not really. Taxes are put in place to discourage behavior, and tax breaksare put into place to encourage other behavior. there's nothing unconstitutional about that.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-20 10:13:24 Reply Private Reply
#9: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#0)
When Congress removed the penalty(tax) in in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, all that was left in Obamacare was the individual mandate -- meaning that the individual mandate to purchase health insurance was now a command, not a choice. Because of that, the mandate was ruled unconstitutional.
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-20 11:45:14 Reply Private Reply
#10: nolu chan To: misterwhite (#9)
In the original SCOTUS decision, the Court a rule of constitutional construction which held that among competing possible interpretations, an interpretation held to be constitutional will be taken. Thus, Roberts CJ found that the individual was unconstitutional as a penalty, but constitutional as a tax, and adopted the interpretation that it was a tax.
Subsequent legislation reduced any possible penalty to zero, eliminating any possibility of the so-called tax to generate any revenue.
With the Obamacare law having been amended to eliminate the revenue generating provision, the interpretation of the individual mandate as a tax was eliminated, and it reverted to being a penalty under the commerce clause. However, as a penalty under the commerce clause, it was clearly unconstitutional and a nullity.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-20 18:18:01 Reply Private Reply
#11: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#10)
I understand. But the Democrats presented and passed Obamacare as containing no new taxes. Sure, there was a small penalty imposed on those unpatriotic Americans not participating in this wondrous program, but those were probably Republicans anyways.
Justice Roberts was correct, BUT it was not within his power to change legislation to make it constitutional. It should have been sent back to Congress with the instruction to change the wording from "penalty" to "tax" such that the American people were presented with the truth.
If it passed with that wording, so be it.
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-21 10:32:32 Reply Private Reply
#12: nolu chan To: misterwhite (#11)
I would just note that it took John Roberts plus four more to speak for the Court.
Prior to the opinion, I wrote an article asserting that the Obamacare penalty should be struck down as an unconstitutional violation of the commerce clause. I did not consider calling a penalty a tax. But I must admit that they did follow a stated rule of interpretation to a somewhat mystical conclusion.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-21 11:13:20 Reply Private Reply
#13: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#12)
I think they ended up calling it a tax penalty. Or a penalty tax. Something like that.
"Prior to the opinion, I wrote an article asserting that the Obamacare penalty should be struck down as an unconstitutional violation of the commerce clause."
I don't see how the Commerce Clause comes into play. Congress has the power to tax. Nothing to stop them from saying, "If you don't do this, you pay a higher tax". For example, if you don't contribute to charity, you pay a higher tax. Right?
What if Congress raised everyone's taxes by $1000, but gave a tax credit of $1000 to everyone who paid for health insurance? Same thing, right? Just worded differently.
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-21 12:13:47 Reply Private Reply
#14: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#12)
John Roberts plus four liberal justices. His was the swing vote. No need to mention the other 8.
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-21 12:17:58 Reply Private Reply
#15: nolu chan To: misterwhite (#13)
A tax is to collect revenue. A tax that is punative is unconstitutional; see Scalia in dissent below. A penalty may be imposed for some act deemed unlawful under the interstate Commerce Clause.
The back and forth on it was like arguing how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. Roberts and Scalia exchanged opinions. AG Verrilli on whether it was a tax or a penalty makes clear that he was on both sides, depending on which was convenient at the moment.
AG Verrilli at 48-49:
Roberts at 37:
A penalty is a punishment for an unlawful act or omission. Roberts reasoned that the "mandate" could be upheld if failure to comply was not unlawful, so that it was not a penalty.
Scalia et al dissent at 18-19:
Scalia et al dissent at 20-21:
Scalia et al dissent at 24:
Scalia et al dissent at 26-28:
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-21 14:08:21 Reply Private Reply
#16: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#15)
or any other Article I, Section 8 power. Scalia was right -- it's a penalty, not a tax.
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-22 18:31:25 Reply Private Reply