Tucker Investigates: What is destroying rural America?
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| Author: | Tucker Carlson |
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#107: A K A Stone To: Anthem (#106)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-18 00:10:54 Reply Private Reply
#108: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#99)
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-23 18:02:49 Reply Private Reply
#109: goldilucky To: A K A Stone (#78)
Thank you, A K A Stone! Finally, somebody's figured it out.
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-23 18:12:59 Reply Private Reply
#110: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#108)
Do you pretend like the Supreme court or are you REAL honest?
Will Vic go with color of law or real truth?
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-24 09:06:35 Reply Private Reply
#111: misterwhite To: A K A Stone (#110)
Well, let's see how honest you are.
The FAA regulates interstate flights. I'm sure you agree they have that power.
But they also regulate intrastate flights. According to you they don't have that power, correct?
So let's leave it up to the 50 individual states to do that. Hey, a few mid-air collisions are a small price to pay for honoring the "honest" meaning of the Commerce Clause.
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-24 10:23:59 Reply Private Reply
#112: A K A Stone To: misterwhite (#111)
Never thought about it.
I'm talking about something else.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-24 10:35:24 Reply Private Reply
#113: nolu chan To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#102)
No. The 9th Amendment states a rule of constitutional construction and does not, in itself, contain a guarantee of any right, or proscription of any infringement.
Can you name the rights protected by the 9th Amendment? Which ones does the 9th Amendment name?
It only protects against construing the constitutions enumeration of some rights to attack or deny or disparage others because they are not enumerated. As the right to keep and bear arms is enumerated in the 2nd Amendment, the 9th Amendment has no application to it whatever. However, assuming arguendo the the RKBA were not enumerated, the 9th Amendment would not prohibit restrictions or regulations upon the RKBA.
If the RKBA were not enumerated, the 9th Amendment would prevent denying that right on the sole and exclusive basis that it was not enumerated. That is all.
As an historical note, I would observe that James Madison did NOT write the 2nd Amendment. Madison proposed a set of amendments on 8 June 1789. The introduction of the proposed amendments and the associated colloquy on that occasion are in The Annals of Congress I, at pp. 439-68.
Madisons draft of what led to the 9th Amendment reads:
The assholes of 1789 put Madisons wording through the congressional committee sausage making process to create the wording that was ultimately offered and ratified, as quoted above.
The purpose of the 9th Amendment was to gain approval for the Constitution as a whole, and the inclusion of a Bill of Rights in particular. Several of the eleven (11) states in the Union at that time were opposed to the enumeration of any rights, lest the enumerated rights be construed as a denial of those rights not so enumerated. Two states were opposed to the Constitution as it was framed and adopted, and had not joined the new Union.
As an historical note I reference the comments of James Madison and Roger Sherman upon the introduction of the proposed amendments.
The 9th Amendment was part of a sales pitch and looks like it says more than it does.
I have frequently made disparaging reference to penumbras formed by emanations from various rights. With the 9th Amendment, you stepped squarely into the penumbras and emanations divined by the U.S. Supreme Court in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 484 (1965).
While nobody can recite a list of rights guaranteed by the 9th Amendment, some may divine that such rights are found within a penumbra emanated by some fundamental constitutional guarantee within the Bill of Rights.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-24 20:19:08 Reply Private Reply
#114: A K A Stone To: nolu chan (#113)
lol how cute. Words don't mean what they say.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-25 08:56:26 Reply Private Reply
#115: nolu chan To: A K A Stone (#114)
Au contraire, the words of the 9th Amendment mean exactly what they say, neither more, nor less.
The subject of that sentence is enumeration. It is the enumeration that shall not be construed as stated.
The text of the Amendment quite clearly states a limit on the manner in which the enumeration of certain rights within the Constitution may be construed.
The Committee of Eleven did not strip out the meaningful portion of Madisons proposed amendment via some unhappy accident. It was an intentional act that achieved a desired effect. It delayed ratification by more than two years, but the opposition eventually caved.
https://www.constitution.org/9ll/schol/kurt_lash_lost_9th.htm
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/12/james-madison-and-the-acrobatic-history-of-the-nin/
https://www.archives.gov/files/legislative/resources/bill-of-rights/CCBR_IIB.pdf
A Project of the National Archives
Go Inside the First Congress
Amendments in Process
House Article the Fifteenth
Rights Retained by the People
At 148: Ideas Proposed in the State Ratifying Conventions
At 149: As Proposed by James Madison
At 150: As Proposed by the House Committee
At 151: As passed by the House of Representatives
At 152: As Approved or Amended by the Senate
The next step occurs after more than a two year delay.
At 153: As Reported by the Conference Committee
At 154: As sent to the States for Ratification
At 155:
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Hamilton, Federalist 78, The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts.
SCOTUS, Marbury v. Madison, It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is.
Randy Barnett, Our Republican Constitution, 1st Ed., Broadside Books, 2016, p. 172, Then two more amendments were added to ensure the powers of the federal government were limited. The Ninth Amendment was supposed to ensure that the eight amendments protecting rights would not be construed as exclusive.
Laurence Tribe, American Constitutional Law, 2nd Ed., The Foundation Press Inc., 1988, pp. 774-75, James Madison introduced the ninth amendment in specific response to the arguments of Hamilton and others that enactment of a Bill of Rights might dangerously suggest that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. The ninth amendment, which provides that [t]he enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people, therefore at least states a rule of construction pointing away from the reverse incorporation view that only the interests secured by the Bill of Rights are encompassed within the fourteenth amendment, and at most provides a positive source of law for fundamental but unmentioned rights.
https://pacificlegal.org/whats-the-deal-with-the-9th-amendment/
https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1850&context=facpub
U.S. Supreme Court in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 484 (1965).
And from the Legal Information Institute (LII) at Cornell University:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-9
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-26 00:10:48 Reply Private Reply
#116: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#110)
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-26 07:07:51 Reply Private Reply
#117: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#116)
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-26 07:08:40 Reply Private Reply
#118: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#115)
The Founders who were leery of the Bill of Rights were not opposed to the rights enumerated. Rather, they were concerned about the application to matters of rights of the interpretive doctrine that has come down to us as the "expresio unius" doctrine, from the Latin "expresio unius est exclusio alterius" (literally, to express one thing, or a set of things, in a contract as being covered by that contract is to exclude everything NOT listed).
We see lawyers draft around the "expresio unius" problem by adding the words "including, but not limited to..." before lists in modern contracts.
The 9th Amendment is an 18th Century effort to prevent the application of what we would call "expresio unius" doctrine. The fear was that the list of enumerated rights would be interpreted to exclude all other rights not enumerated, as in a contract. The 9th Amendment says no.
Now the example: the marital right of consortium is long established in Common and Civil Law. It's not mentioned in the Constitution. It did not, therefore, cease to exist with ratification, but rather, is assumed to exist as before. That's what the 9th is for - it's a safeguard against that sort of interpretive game by an unscrupulous government. There is no list of unenumerated rights - that's the whole point of the exercise.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-26 07:26:39 Reply Private Reply
#119: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#116)
lol
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-26 17:41:30 Reply Private Reply
#120: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#118)
That makes sense. Kudos.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-26 17:44:18 Reply Private Reply
#121: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#116)
It means what it says. They can regulate interstate commerce. When the Supreme court gets it wrong the meaning of words don't change. It means they got it wrong and we have to live with it or rebel. They are just opinions. The truth is the truth. The truth is whatever I say it is. :)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-26 17:48:35 Reply Private Reply
#122: nolu chan To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#116)
This is the fact, although it tends to be given short shrift around here. SCOTUS is the ultimate arbiter of what the law is. A personal opinion that a Court opinion is wrong does not have any legal effect.
For the lurkers to this conversation, I believe the farmer case was Wickard v. Filburn 317 U.S. 111 (1942). In that case, the family farm was in Montgomery County, Ohio.
I agree with your assessment that the Court expanded the Federal power to encompass just about every conceivable act of commerce. It was not easy to attempt expansion of power exceeding every conceivable act of commerce, although Obamacare found a way to try.
With Obamacare, an attempt was made, pursuant to the Commerce Clause, to regulate or penalize inaction, a failure to engage in commerce by not purchasing private, for-profit health insurance. I argued the unconstitutionality of such attempted usage of the Commerce Clause to regulate what was the absence of commerce. Because the individual mandate was declared unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause, the mandate was interpreted as a tax and upheld under the taxing power, but SCOTUS recently held that it can no longer be interpreted as a tax as legal changes have stripped it of any ability to raise revenue, eluding the definition of a tax.
At least there is something that escapes the Commerce Clause, although it is not an action, but an inaction. Then again, perhaps an inaction is a nothing.
You are perfectly correct in what you state. I would only supplement that Framers saw the original Bill of Rights as only applicable in restraint of the Federal government. It did not apply at all to the States until after the 14th Amendment, and subsequent selective incorporation against the States by the Court.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-26 18:11:43 Reply Private Reply
#123: nolu chan To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#118)
This is the fact, although it tends to be given short shrift around here. SCOTUS is the ultimate arbiter of what the law is. A personal opinion that a Court opinion is wrong does not have any legal effect.
For the lurkers to this conversation, I believe the farmer case was Wickard v. Filburn 317 U.S. 111 (1942). In that case, the family farm was in Montgomery County, Ohio.
I agree with your assessment that the Court expanded the Federal power to encompass just about every conceivable act of commerce. It was not easy to attempt expansion of power exceeding every conceivable act of commerce, although Obamacare found a way to try.
With Obamacare, an attempt was made, pursuant to the Commerce Clause, to regulate or penalize inaction, a failure to engage in commerce by not purchasing private, for-profit health insurance. I argued the unconstitutionality of such attempted usage of the Commerce Clause to regulate what was the absence of commerce. Because the individual mandate was declared unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause, the mandate was interpreted as a tax and upheld under the taxing power, but SCOTUS recently held that it can no longer be interpreted as a tax as legal changes have stripped it of any ability to raise revenue, eluding the definition of a tax.
At least there is something that escapes the Commerce Clause, although it is not an action, but an inaction. Then again, perhaps an inaction is a nothing.
You are perfectly correct in what you state. I would only supplement that Framers saw the original Bill of Rights as only applicable in restraint of the Federal government. It did not apply at all to the States until after the 14th Amendment, and subsequent selective incorporation against the States by the Court.
The proposed 9th Amendment was stripped of much of its important content by the Committee of Eleven. The adopted 9th Amendment (and the whole BoR) generally served as a restraint on the Federal government. The text of the 9th served to restrain the Federal government from adopting any construction of the inclusion of enumerated rights as excluding unenumerated rights, as you state.
This only restrained actions against claimed unnumerated rights on the basis of their lack of enumeration.
The enumeration of certain rights cannot be cited to deny an unnumerated right. It is left to the Courts to decide what is, or is not, an unnumerated right, and whether that right is "fundamental." Not all legislation that burdens a fundamental right is unconstitutional, but is subject to a stricter standard of review.
For the casual reader, Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.:
I would note one quibble with Black's. The Constitution does not guarantee rights, so much as it declares restrictions upon the powers granted to the Federal government. Congress shall pass no law abridging the right to free speech. The restriction is not absolute, as the right to free speech is not absolute. The right itself does not include a "right" to utter libelous or slanderous statements, to shout "fire" in a crowded theater, or to incite a riot.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that, the marital right of consortium is long established in Common and Civil Law.
However, I would note, the marital right to consortium of two people of the same sex is not long established in Common and Civil Law. Nor does the penumbra of an emanating unnumerated right of privacy broad enough to encompass condoms and abortions seem to be well established in Common and Civil Law.
In Obergefell, Griswold, and Roe, the Court appeared to use the empty vessel of substantive due process to pour new meaning into the Constitution. A criticism of this is that the Court appears almost as an ad hoc Constitutional Convention, expanding Federal power. It is strange that the Bill of Rights is invoked to expand Federal power, when it was designed to prevent the expansion of Federal power.
For an example, the right to privacy is an unnumerated right, as is the right to abortion. The 9th Amendment, inter alia, was cited in support of the right to abortion. The 9th Amendment restrained government denial of the asserted right to abortion via construing the Constitution to deny the existence of said right because it was not enumerated. Application extended to the States by incorporation via the 14th Amendment would appear to restrain the States from denying the asserted right to abortion via construing the Constitution as denying said right's existence because it was not enumerated.
What I fail to see is how the 9th Amendment can be contorted to establish the existence of a positive right to abortion. If it existed as a right in Common or Civil law, I see how it could be found there. But how it is found in a penumbra from an emanation from an unnumerated right eludes me.
I do not find the right to abortion in a penumbra emanating from the unenumerated right to privacy. I simply do not find abortion to be a constitutional right. SCOTUS found that, and they made it law. SCOTUS can overturn Roe and it will no longer be a constitutional right, much as Pluto is no longer a planet.
In the end, what SCOTUS says is the law. Until they change their mind, or the law itself is changed, and then the most recent statement becomes the law.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-26 18:26:17 Reply Private Reply
#124: nolu chan To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#121)
Even when SCOTUS gets it wrong, what they say is the law. That's the truth. Abortion and gay marriage are constitutional, and growing more than your alloted quota of corn is illegal, and unnumerated rights emanate penumbras broad enough to encompass more unnumerated rights.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-26 18:34:30 Reply Private Reply
#125: A K A Stone To: nolu chan (#124)
Sure it is. It is the system we have. But the truth is still the truth and they get it wrong often. That is why it is color of law.
I know my opinion doesn't count on the law. I'm just stating what I believe to be true. I believe they get it wrong and it is illegitimate when I say it is. :)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-26 19:07:36 Reply Private Reply
#126: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#123)
If you want to change the law, start with changing the flag with the yellow-fringe on it. usa-the-republic.com/item...interest/flag%20code.html You can read where titled "THE FLAG IS PRECISELY DEFINED BY LAW"
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-26 22:32:41 Reply Private Reply
#127: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#126)
Your blather is tax protester nonsense which was was disposed of decades ago as being frivolous and of no merit whatever. A lawyer making that argument could be subjected to sanctions for frivolous filing.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/912/224/1986395/
United States v. Greenstreet, 912 F.Supp. 224 (N.D. Tex. 1996).
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https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/671/1128/2595134/
Vella v. McCammon, 671 F. Supp. 1128 (S.D. Tex. 1987)
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nolu chan posted on 2019-12-27 01:49:59 Reply Private Reply
#128: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#121)
It is good to be The King.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-27 09:34:12 Reply Private Reply
#129: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#122)
And yes, the Obamacare overreach DID finally result in the Supremes finding a limit to the Commerce Clause - the regulation of INACTION. i think past courts would have found even that within the scope of regulation, but the conservative court has found a limit.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-27 10:40:32 Reply Private Reply
#130: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#127)
The Congress shall have Power to Lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excise, to Pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" The Constitution for the United States of America, Article 1, Section 8, paragraph 1. [emphasis added]
No Capitation or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration hereinbefore directed to be taken." The Constitution for the United States of America, Article 1, Section 9, paragraph 4. [emphasis added]
As for your tax protestor comment I will leave you with the exact tax statute that would be applicable were I held to be liable to collect such a tax.
26 CFR, 601.103 (a) is the only place which tells us who is required to file a return, provided that person has been properly noticed by the District Director to KEEP RECORDS AND THEN NOTICED THAT HE/SHE IS REQUIRED TO FILE. It states, "In general, each taxpayer (or person required to collect and pay over the taxes) is required to file a prescribed form of return ..." Are you a Taxpayer? (l.o.- you must first be a tax collector)
source: http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/irshist.htm
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-27 13:52:31 Reply Private Reply
#131: Vicomte13 To: goldilucky (#130)
And anyway, it's NECESSARY to fund a first world country that's the linchpin of world peace, so what purpose is served standing against the idea of taxation? It just raises your blood pressure for no advantage at all.
Of course if you just outright refuse to pay taxes, you go to jail and lose your house.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-27 16:03:00 Reply Private Reply
#132: goldilucky To: Vicomte13 (#131)
Really, Vicomte13?
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=60787&Disp=15#C15
Since millions of taxpayers such as myself paid into a penalty fund last year for not having such insurance and then come to find out this so-called fraud tax "law" was indeed unconstitutional just begs for those taxpayers to bring class-action suits. And it was indeed a direct tax.
So if this makes me out to be some tax protestor, remember too that we still do have a First Amendment Right to redress our grievances before a court system. It is both our right and responsibility to redress such pertinent matters of this kind.
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-27 18:56:40 Reply Private Reply
#133: nolu chan To: goldilucky, Vicomte13 (#130)
Consider yourself one of the most gullible dumbshits on the planet. It is an insult that you even tried to run this bullshit past me.
Your criminal wacko, dingbat source:
https://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/irshist.htm
Things are looking up for Dan Meador. He did his time in prison and got out. Perhaps you could find a source of legal advice who did not participate in a tax scam, and who is not a convicted criminal with a prison record.
Look what your wacko, criminal dingbat source's bullshit did to some poor bastard:
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1085748/steinmetz-v-wolgamot/
Steinmetz v. Wilgamot, 2013 Il App (1st) 121375
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-28 01:54:34 Reply Private Reply
#134: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#130)
https://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/irshist.htm
https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/45/1263/2498558/
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-28 01:57:50 Reply Private Reply
#135: nolu chan To: goldilucky, Vicomte13 (#130)
An example of inmate Dan Meador insanity:
https://famguardian.org/PublishedAuthors/Indiv/MeadorDan/Forms/attyge.htm
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-28 01:58:56 Reply Private Reply
#136: nolu chan To: goldilucky, Vicomte13 (#130)
For the complete Meador Manifesto of legal bullshit, see:
https://www.scribd.com/document/441098446/Dan-Meador-Memorandum-of-Law-10th-Cir-97-5128-below-US-v-Meador-OKND-96-cr-113-C
Things never known until Dan Meador showered his wisdom down on the gullible masses.
Highlights:
At 2-3:
At 3-4:
At 4:
At 5:
At 35:
At 44:
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-28 02:00:54 Reply Private Reply
#137: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#136)
You say I posted nonsense. All that you post is case law which is non-positive law. If you click onto this link, www.tax-freedom.com/ta16013.htm it list all the US Codes that are Positive Law. Title 26 governs the IRS. All those that are Positive Law have an asterisk next to them. If you notice closely, Title 26 has none.
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-28 02:50:39 Reply Private Reply
#138: Vicomte13 To: goldilucky (#132)
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-28 07:43:40 Reply Private Reply
#139: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#138)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-12-28 08:56:50 Reply Private Reply
#140: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#136)
source:www.loc.gov/item/uscode1988-001000002/
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-28 12:02:18 Reply Private Reply
#141: goldilucky To: Vicomte13 (#138)
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-28 12:04:50 Reply Private Reply
#142: Mudboy Slim To: A K A Stone (#139)
I am more concerned with RATS and RINOS than zombie rodents and reptiles...lol.
Mudboy Slim posted on 2019-12-28 13:09:41 Reply Private Reply
#143: nolu chan To: goldilucky, Vicomte13 (#137)
Meador's bullshit is not only without merit, it is without arguable merit. It is bullshit which this bloodsucking leach packaged and sold the unsuspecting, and the willfully ignorant. He and his bullshit are beneath contempt.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/03pdf/02-1389.pdf
United States v. Galletti, 541 U.S. 114 (23 March 2004)
Obviously, the U.S. Supreme Court said you are full of shit.
You cite and misapply a general regulation to overrule a specific statute law.
https://www.scribd.com/document/441137212/United-States-v-Lesonik-et-al-PAWD-12-cv-65-2-Oct-2012-Doc-39-MEMORANDUM-OPINION
This is how Tax Protester bullshit is swatted away in court.
https://www.scribd.com/document/441137212/United-States-v-Lesonik-et-al-PAWD-12-cv-65-2-Oct-2012-Doc-39-MEMORANDUM-OPINION
In United States v. Drefke, 707 F.2d 978, 981 (8th Cir. 1983), the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals stated, in discussing section 6151, that when a tax return is required to be filed, the person so required shall pay such taxes to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed at the fixed time and place. The sections of the Internal Revenue Code imposed a duty on Drefke to file tax returns and pay the appropriate rate of income tax, a duty which he chose to ignore.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/707/978/229711/
United States v Drefke et al, 707 F2d 978 (8th Cir 1983)
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Saying 26 CFR § 601.103, harumphhh, does not create an exemption from the income tax mandated by Federal statute.
26 C.F.R. PART 601--STATEMENT OF PROCEDURAL RULES
TITLE 26--Internal Revenue
CHAPTER I--INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
SUBCHAPTER H--INTERNAL REVENUE PRACTICE
https://law.justia.com/cfr/title26/26-20.0.1.1.2.1.2.3.html
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-28 14:24:11 Reply Private Reply
#144: nolu chan To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#139)
He knows the law. This is about the law, not mice and lizards.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-28 14:40:58 Reply Private Reply
#145: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#139)
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-28 18:39:33 Reply Private Reply
#146: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#143)
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-28 23:48:32 Reply Private Reply
#147: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#146)
Yes, convicted felon Meador and your link to convicted felon Meador are bullshit. Meador was not only a tax fraud, he was enshrined in the Quatloos Hall of Shame for his shameful efforts. He reached the pinnacle of achievement at being an asshole.
I quoted the U.S. Supreme Court stating, The Federal tax system is basically one of self-assessment," whereby each taxpayer computes the tax due and then files the appropriate form of return along with the requisite payment. 26 CFR § 601.103(a) (2003). They do not seem overly impressed with Meador's bullshit about 26 CFR § 601.103(a). I also provided you a quote of the whole section. You have proceeded to make no legal point, just harumph.
The cited flag law does not prohibit a fringe and contains no penalty for anything. An official opinion of the Attorney General and multiple court opinions have upheld the use of the gold fringe.
From a tax lawyer, Dan Evans:
https://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#flagfringes
Try again.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-29 01:16:45 Reply Private Reply
#148: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#147)
As for Dan Meador's works, I still stand with what he has relayed to the public. Many people have elected to judge him for his literal works just as they did Irwin Schiff in his works, The Federal Mafia.
I find it interesting that in one of your threads you had posted about the recent ruling by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals (this may not be your link you posted) www.texastribune.org/2019...idual-mandate-obamacare/, that the IRS, had been collecting penalty fees all this time knowing this was indeed unconstitutional. This truly exposes the scam both from the United States government in their unlawful mandates but also makes the IRS vulnerable to a lawsuit as well. And it confirms why I posted that link from the Library of Congress concerning the lawful nature of the Title 50 Table of Contents and which are positive law and others that are not.
goldilucky posted on 2019-12-29 11:08:00 Reply Private Reply
#149: Vicomte13 To: goldilucky (#148)
It is simply silly.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-30 08:46:38 Reply Private Reply
#150: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#148)
[goldilucky #148]
Do you have any legal experts who are not convicted felons, or is that all you've got?
When cornered for being the rat bastard that he was, Irwin Schiff attempted to plead mental ilness, a delusional disorder. For shoveling this Shiff shit on this board, do you also claim your behavior is the result of your delusional disorder, or do you have a different excuse?
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-30 13:09:38 Reply Private Reply
#151: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#148)
Irwin Schiff, another convicted felon dirtbag enshrined in the Quatloos Hall of Shame.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/919/830/337866
Irwin A SCHIFF v United States, 919 F2d 830 (2nd Cir, 1990)
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-30 13:21:14 Reply Private Reply
#152: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#148)
Irwin Schiff, another convicted felon dirtbag enshrined in the Quatloos Hall of Shame.
IRWIN SCHIFF SENTENCED TO 163 MONTHS IN PRISON
http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv06098.htm
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-30 13:23:17 Reply Private Reply
#153: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#150)
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-30 13:28:26 Reply Private Reply
#154: nolu chan To: Vicomte13, goldilucky (#149)
Nah, when Irwin Schiff had to 'splain hisself, he resorted to a claim of Delusional Personality Disorder. The claim failed. Irwin Schiff died in prison. There is nothing like a tax protester who idolizes a convicted tax fraudster who claimed to a court that a delusional disorder [] has convinced him that the law does not require him to pay taxes.
This crazy claim about gold fringe goes back at least 25 years that I know of.
It was debunked at least 23 years ago, in Greenstreet.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/912/224/1986395/
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-30 14:18:44 Reply Private Reply
#155: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#148)
You really should have read the legal disclaimer in Schiff's book, The American Mafia. This was so the simpletons who paid for his book, and swallowed the crap that they didn't have to file or pay income taxes, couldn't sue him when they found themselves in deep legal doo-doo, facing legal fees, penalties, interest, and possibly prison.
https://www.paynoincometax.com/pdf/federal_mafia.pdf
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-30 14:38:14 Reply Private Reply
#156: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#154)
That judge went out of his way to be polite in his opinion. Assessing costs was a good move, and should be done routinely in the FIRST instance with this sort of crap.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-30 15:14:03 Reply Private Reply