Bloomberg would not enter if Biden were not a dead man walking.

I think Wall Street Dems are terrified of a Warren presidency. They are even cutting off donations to incumbent Senate Dems for 2020, doing anything and everything to keep her from getting the nomination.

And Biden is their alternative.

And someone prod me when someone gets around to telling us the gay mayor of some little town in Indiana is more qualified to be prez than a three-time NYC mayor and business leader.

I don't think Bloomy is all that serious about running. He really is too old. Hell, nearly all these candidates (including Trump) are too old.

You know nothing about what he would do if elected, yet you say he would likely be a very good President?

I think Bloomberg calculates that if nobody does anything, Warren will get the nomination - and I think he's right about that.

I think millions of others calculate that too, and ARE asking Bloomberg behind the scenes to run.

I think that Bloomberg doesn't really want to be the Democratic candidate for President, but that he calculates that there is a real risk Warren will be the nominee, and an impeached Trump won't win..which means President Warren.

And I think Bloomberg will run for President, as a Democrat, if he sees a realistic threat that could happen.

I think Wall Street Dems are terrified of a Warren presidency.

I work with Wall Street Dems. They figure that if Warren is the nominee, that Trump will win re-election. They're glum about that - they don't like Trump, particularly because of the China trade drama. But they figure that there's just no way America really would elect an outright socialist.

Great success in private enterprise is an indicator of likely success in public service.

Success at what? Undoing everything Trump put in place?

for NeverTrump Republicans (Democrats will always vote for the Democrat nominee regardless).

I dunno.... Many of the lefties may just get discouraged and decide to stay home... But if they're replaced by the Bushbot Neocons who're looking for a "respectable" alternative to Trump, then maybe Bloomberg actually has a shot at it.

Bloomburg is a piece if shit and you're an idiot at your prediction. He is a non factor. An also ran.

I'm not an idiot for my prediction, but by calling n a piece of shit you're projecting.

He certainly is a factor. If he decides to run, he'll win, and if he wins, he'll be a good president.

He's not an "also ran", because he's the most successful American businessman, having raised himself up from the middle of the middle class to $38 billion, as opposed to starting out in a rich family and using family wealth and connections to get richer. He started with less, and is seven times more successful economically than Trump.

He's not an also-ran also, because the only office he has ever run for, Mayor of New York, he WON, on the first try, and won two more re-elections because he was very good at being the chief executive officer of a complex, brawling political structure. New York City is a nightmare, and Bloomberg ran it successfully without being a little Mussolini (like Giuliani), and without turning into a race-pandering simperer like DiBlasio.

Success at what? Undoing everything Trump put in place?

Bloomberg is not a political hack. He's not going to come in there and undo everything Trump put in place. He didn't do that with Giuliani.

Bloomberg wanted to do a good job for New York City. He didn't have a bunch of political hobbyhorses.

He will come in there and look at the situation from his own expert viewpoint.

Bloomberg has always been a data analysis expert. That's how he looks at thing. He believes in "the power of information", and he's going to be very analytical in dealing with the US budget, just as he was with New York City's budget.

One of the first things he tackled was NYC's sprawling payroll. He will do the same thing with the federal government and its payroll.

It's certainly true that the Warren/Bernie wing of the Dems will be very unhappy with Bloomberg. Bloomberg's successor, Bill DiBlasio, campaigned on the claim that Bloomberg governed for the top 1%. That's not true, but people who hate billionaires and who want recklessly expensive policies always oppose men who understand the limitations of economics and revenue, which Bloomberg does, and Democrat and Republican politicians clearly don't.

What has Trump "put in place"? Deregulation? Bloomberg will not stop that effort out of hand. He deregulated or rather, updated and modernized regulation across the board in NYC, so that, for example, zoning laws actually reflected modern land use, instead of dwelling in the 1940s. Bloomberg is a very fact-based guy, and his regulatory hand will be based on what is needed, factually, not what is earnestly desired by activists of either stripe.

Besides that, what has Trump put in place? Illegal immigration. Bloomberg's position on illegal immigration was tempered and rational - he was not a sanctuary city/open borders/ give illegals the vote guy. He did understand that illegals are part of the economy, and you have to pay attention to what you do. He pointed out the failures of past immigration policy: it was posturing without funding. He may not build a wall, but there is no reason from his positions and his past to think he's going to just throw open the borders the way that other Democrats certainly will.

What else? Tax cuts? Bloomberg will conduct his own analysis of tax policy (and it will be a hell of a lot more based in reality than either the Republicans or Democrats). He's not going to go to strike down the tax law. He's going to ensure that the tax law is structured to favor entrepreneurial activity and employment, while generating the revenue the government needs. He'll also focus on expenditures, like he did when he was mayor.

There is no reason, at all, to believe that Bloomberg would behave like a Democrat hack. He didn't behave like a Republican hack when he became mayor as a Republican. He didn't behave particularly politically at all. He acted like the data-driven guy that he is, and sought the best solution for the City he governed. He'll do the same as President, which he will be if he decides to run.

New York City and Connecticut are where liberal douche bags get elected by progressive thieves like yourself You and Michael make normal Anericans puke. Non factor just like you.

New York City is where the business and financial innovations the make the world are made, and where the decisions that govern the economy are decided. The folks who make those decisions reside in nearby Connecticut, where the sea air is nearby and the houses and woods are beautiful and clean.

New York City's economy is larger than Russia's, and huge amounts of tax revenues are drained out of NYC every year to Albany and to Washington DC, to help prop up the rest of America. America's top minds, top artists, top financiers and top innovators are concentrated here. Without us, you would be poorer than you are, and America would be a hell of a lot poorer than it is.

We don't "make normal Americans puke". We create the jobs that normal Americans work.

"Progressive theives"? Michael Bloomberg and I, and New York City, give a whole lot more of what we have and do to the rest of America than we ever get back. I pay more in TAXES than median American families earn as gross income.

And do you know why? Because I am much more intelligent than average Americans - I've worked sometimes ridiculous hours for many years, doing hard things that few people have the actual mental capacity to do AT ALL. And I'm surrounded by men and women as talented or more talented than me. THAT is New York.

What is the basis for your looking down on New Yorkers? Biting the hand that feeds you?

You dont create shit you push paper and bullshit. Puke!

Where can I buy the latest products you have put together in your workshop?

New York doesn't feed me. You liberals think highly of your immorality.

Aren't you on Social Security? And Medicare?

He is a respectable manager and businessman, but we have very different values and goals. We have made progress on the abortion issue here in the heartland over the last decade, and I will not support a guy like him who is knee-jerk pro-abortion as a "right".

Also, we have made progress on RKBA, with many States expanding their recognition of a citizen's right to self defense. Again, Bloomberg is a knee-jerk anti-RKBA elitist.

His foreign policy positions have been typically in line with the Neo-cons. That alone disqualifies him. Even with Tulsi Gabbard as a running mate I would not trust him.

He makes no effort to recognize the social and financial strain of mass immigration on the working class.

He succeeded in pushing abortion pills in schools available to 14 year olds without parental consent.

I am no great fan of Trump, but Bloomberg with a Democrat controlled House and possibly a "coattails" Senate would be a huge setback for families and liberty.

Aren't you on Social Security? And Medicare?

Aren't you on welfare and food stamps?

Bloomberg would likely be a very good President.

Yeah because he hates the first amendment and religious freedom. You stupido.

In a move with no precedent in New York City history Mayor Michael Bloomberg will shut down after today the worship services of scores of what he calls “these religious groups.” At least 55 churches and synagogues are affected.

https://www.nycreligion.info/mayor-bloomberg-closes-22-manhattan-worship- services-today-list/

Fuck you and your anti christian bigotry. We don't need a baby killer anti christian like you would vote for.

Baby killers make good presidents according to hillary supporter Vic the dick.

Yeah because he hates the first amendment and religious freedom.

Bloomberg hates the second amendment even more. And he loves to insert himself into state elections like a stinking carpetbagger.

Ask any Mainer. In the 2016 election Bloomberg forced Question 3 onto the ballot, which would have made ANY gun transfer subject to a federal background check...even guns given as gifts! We narrowly defeated that initiative...something like 51% to 48%.

https://www.votenoquestion3.org/

Bloomberg would disarm the American people...

Aren't you on Social Security? And Medicare?

Cut the sanctimony. People who are receiving Social Security and/or Medicare paid into those government programs.

And Social Security would be on stronger financial footing if the federal government stopped stealing $150 billion from it every year to give to those who are disabled (the wasteful SSDI) and never paid into it. Take that money from the general fund.

Aren’t you on welfare and food stamps?

No. I PAY for those programs through my high tax bracket. But I am happy those programs exist, and am happy to pay the taxes required to make them continue to, so they are available for me or my family and friends in case some calamity befalls us causing us to need it.

Everybody pays taxes.

47% of tax filers pay no federal income tax.

I don't care if they pay some stupid state sales tax, qualifying them to be included in your over-broad blanket statement.

No. I PAY for those programs

No you pay the interest on the debt for your stupid programs that are wasteful.

" Cut the sanctimony. People who are receiving Social Security and/or Medicare paid into those government programs.

And Social Security would be on stronger financial footing if the federal government stopped stealing $150 billion from it every year to give to those who are disabled (the wasteful SSDI) and never paid into it. Take that money from the general fund. "

Hear, hear !!!

Instead of taking money out of the general fund for welfare, just abolish those programs. If states want that, they can fund it. States that do not want it, should not have to pay for it !!!

of the assertion that the poor pay no taxes

Who made that assertion, Mr. Strawman?

Billionaire Michael Bloomberg is failing to garner significant support for his longshot presidential bid nationally, a Reuters/Ipsos poll released this week shows.

Bloomberg, who signaled his intention to jump into the crowded Democrat primary field this week by filing paperwork to appear on the ballot in Arkansas’ March 3 presidential primary, is failing to see any sort of significant support nationally, according to the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The poll, which surveyed 2,235 adults between November 12–14, 2019, showed only three percent of Democrats and independents supporting the former New York City mayor.

Former Vice President Joe Biden (D) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) led in support with 19 percent, followed by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) with 13 percent. Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) followed with six percent support, and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) fell to three percent, tying with Bloomberg despite a months-long presence in the race.

The remaining candidates garnered two percent support or less:

#National @Reuters/@Ipsos Poll (11/12-14): Biden 19% Sanders 19% Warren 13% Buttigieg 6% Harris 3% Bloomberg 3% Yang 2% Booker 1% Klobuchar 1% Gabbard 1% Bullock 1% Bennet 1% Steyer 1% Castro 1% Delaney 0% Williamson 0% Messam 0% Sestak 0%https://t.co/WdZUskWK96

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) November 15, 2019

from Breitbart

Yes, Bloomberg is a nagging Dutch Aunt on some stuff, but that stuff is trivial.

Vic is excited about the pro abortion Catholics he would appoint to the Supreme Court.

Vic is excited about the pro abortion Catholics he would appoint to the Supreme Court.

Abortion will be the law of the land until there is SUBSTANTIAL and expensive welfare reform that makes it possible to raise a million more poor babies per year. The Democrats are not proposing that, and to Republicans it is unthinkable. THEREFORE abortion restrictions are a dead letter politically, and I've ceased to worry about the subject.

When pro-lifers are ready to get real and support the necessary welfare that inevitably follows from doing away with abortion, then there will be SOME hope of getting the political will to repeal it. But pro-lifers are generally Republicans, with Republican attitudes about welfare. They hate welfare more than they love babies, so by eliminating abortion and providing no safety net, they would create burgeoning poverty and desperation.

Every rational being of the center and left knows that, and that's well over half the population. So abortion is here to stay until the Right changes its mind about welfare. That will never happen. So abortion is here to stay, period, by their choice.

I have ceased to worry about the issue, because the necessary economic concessions by the Right to allow abortion to be re-criminalized are not there. As long as the Right is unrealistic, there will be no movement on abortion, and the issue becomes a nullity.

I know it makes you feel good to rage about it, and it certainly empowers the Republicans to keep duped rubes like you in the ranks, actually believing you're accomplishing something. You're accomplishing nothing, other than empowering a bunch of rich guys to concentrate money in their pockets, while dangling a pro-life carrot in front of your face to keep you walking forward pulling their cart.

Abortion will be the law of the land until there is SUBSTANTIAL and expensive welfare reform that makes it possible to raise a million more poor babies per year. The Democrats are not proposing that, and to Republicans it is unthinkable. THEREFORE abortion restrictions are a dead letter politically, and I've ceased to worry about the subject.

Lol.

Are you unaware of immigrations effects on poverty? Hell, if it was t for flooding the country with well over four million people a year for forty plus years, everyone who wanted a job would have one, housing costs would be negligible, wages would cover a middle class life for all, and taxes would be small.

You seem to be advocating for the current system, which burdens everyone at the same time you’ve taken a baseball bat to their knees.

When people who are productive wake up to the rigged system of paying taxes to support people brought into this country for the sole purpose of lowering their wages, I’m afraid they may take it out on the wrong people.

People EXACTLY like (((Bloomberg))) are the problem.

Freedom from an overbearing government is never trivial.

Well, the Left would say that the right to abortion IS freedom from government. The Right would disagree.

I say that abortion is murder, but it's been found to be constitutionally mandated over and over again, so to change that would require either a constitutional amendment or the Supreme Court to overrule Roe (which won't happen with the current court makeup).

If they do overturn it, abortion will revert to the states, and most of the states will continue to allow it, especially all of the big states.

And the states that don't allow it will have a spike in births of the poorest single mothers. And then, 16 years later, a steady rise in the crime rate, unless they really invest heavily in these new babies (which, under present political circumstances, they will not).

Subsidizing someone’s crap life choices results in more crap life choices. Was a time when women didn’t bang everything that looked pleasing to them because of how difficult life could get. Now? We subsidize everything when someone complains even in the slightest about anything.

You ever consider what trajectory for society you are advocating for?

Abortion will be the law of the land until there is SUBSTANTIAL and expensive welfare reform that makes it possible to raise a million more poor babies per year.

No that is just how you want it. How Vic dreams isn't the way it works.

Abortion becomes illegal simply if the Supreme Court strikes it down. Where do you get the notion that thievery by the government has to be involved?

I may address your other retarded points you tried to make at another time. It was some stupid shit you said.

They hate welfare more than they love babies,

You love thieves stealing more than you like babies. IN fact in your post here you said you don't give a shit about them anymore. I'm thinking you never did you being pretty much a democrat.

If those Catholics ever got off their asses they could end abortion. But those democrat appointed Catholics can't seem to get their heads out of their asses and end the murders.

I know it makes you feel good to rage about it, and it certainly empowers the Republicans to keep duped rubes like you in the ranks, actually believing you're accomplishing something. You're accomplishing nothing, other than empowering a bunch of rich guys to concentrate money in their pockets, while dangling a pro-life carrot in front of your face to keep you walking forward pulling their cart.

You really are a retard aren't you!

You really are a retard aren't you!

There should be a question mark not an exclamation point at the end.

Retardo.

You ever consider what trajectory for society you are advocating for?

I have, and I do.

I don't seem to be able to penetrate the stubborn unrealism of Republicans. By going down into the fuhrerbunker and fighting to the bitter end, the Republicans and simply ensuring a bitter end that need not happen.

But I've been over this ground so many times before, I'm all out of energy to do it again.

You really are a retard aren't you!

No. I'm a very intelligent man who is telling you the truth, and trying to save you people from yourselves. But you're in the fuhrerbunker, headed towards the bitter end.

You needn't be. But you are.

I guess you are going to have a difficult time trying to change my mind because I understand human nature much better than you. I know for a fact, that if you create favorable conditions for individuals to thrive while living immorally, you will get more immorality.

Look. I really dgaf about anothers life choices, just don’t ask me to work my ass off so your bad choices don’t inconvenience YOU. (not you specifically...)

You may as well be advocating for the taxpayers to buy all the heroin or whatever junkies want. The policy of doing that is completely consistent with the concern fagging over the other issue you use to justify taking productive peoples money.

Look, I truly believe you’re a very decent human, I just wish you would understand tough love is the only thing that works in the long run on the macro level, and is the best for this society overall.

You REALLY want to stick it to the 1%? Channel your energies into denying them cheap labor and increased costs for housing, energy, schools, roads, blah blah blah.

You fix that, and 90% of this country’s issues become ever more manageable. Don’t be one of the saps who help create the problem, and then ‘fix’ it. It’s crap like that, that leads society down the drain ever faster. This kind of issue can’t be taxed away, doing so will insure that it will always need to be fed more and more.

Rather, I desire to maintain the world hegemony we already have: it keeps the peace. THAT requires the vast military and intelligence network and foreign aid system we have. If we cut IT, we cut our own power, and our weakness is a provocation to every ne'er do well on the planet. It's expensive, and I'd love to slough off that load, just as I'd like to flop down exhausted and slough off the burden of protecting a family in a complicated and challenging world. But the latter is not an option, and neither is the former - not unless I want war. When we stepped away from the world in the 1920s and 1930s, we got World War II as repayment. We learned, and understood we had to fight the Cold War. That's over. Now, we're fighting a global war on Islamism. And winning it, but as that fade, China is rising as an aggressive power.

Now, each of these fresh wars we fight, ends up leaving behind fewer enemies. Nations that used to be adversaries become neutral or friendly. We are WINNING, but ah slowly, and with a perpetual, large drain on our resources. It is painful. But if we drop the load now, we will pay more dearly in the future. If we stay the course, this very course likely will end in a peaceful world whose security issues we can manage at considerable expense and without war.

In short, it's worth it. But that means a permanent security apparatus that costs a lot of money in perpetuity. We cannot borrow money in perpetuity without eventually breaking our economy. We need to balance the budget, and we cannot do that by substantially cutting the military or intelligence infrastructure. We need to raise more taxes, and the top 1% is undertaxed relative to the rest of the society. Therefore, they must be taxed.

In a similar vein, we cannot abolish Social Security, or Public Schools, or Medicare or public financing of roads, ports, railroads and airports. Those are necessary parts of our infrastructure, all of them. I know that you will never be reconciled to that reality, and this is the Achilles' Heel of the Republican Party. You're STILL trying to turn back the New Deal, STILL arguing hackeneyed beliefs that didn't work back then (which is why we made the changes we made), won't work now, and aren't going to be tried. By holding the line against reality, you permanently limit yourselves to a minority of the electorate (and give low birth rates and immigration, a dwindling minority). Once again, we have to pay for all of these things, and that mighty military, and we can't do that with perpetual debt. We need to raise more taxes, and the least taxed element of the society is the wealth of the wealthy (the MOST taxed thing is wages of workers).

Democrats make a virtue of the taxation - their objective is the taxation ITSELF, the knocking down of the rich. I think that sort of thinking is pathological.

But the thinking that we can be a prosperous and stable modern society without a heavy government footprint, or have world peace without the American Imperium, is wrongheaded in its own right. We do.

Which means we need more revenue.

We have to tax something. We ALREADY tax working and middle class wages at a high rate. We ALREADY tax middle class property (land, houses and vehicles) at a moderate rate. We ALREADY tax middle class investment returns (dividends, interest, employee stock options) at a moderate rate. And we don't tax upper class wealth at all. We tax the upper class to the extent they are attached to the middle class economy (their houses and cars), but we DON'T tax their wealth. There are special tax loopholes - indeed the whole structure of the tax code itself - allows most upper class wealth to grow untaxed. This is a huge advantage to them, and is the reason they have accumulated a greater and greater percentage of the total American national wealth.

The Democrats are obsessed with that. I am not. I am focused on the fact that we need more revenue to pay for all of the necessary services, and everybody else is tapped out. All of that upperclass wealth that has heretofore escaped taxation needs to be subject to it, at the same rate that the middle and working classes already pay. I do not advocate screwing the rich. I advocate that they pay THE SAME portion of their wealth as taxes that the middle class does. As things stand, they pay far, far less, and we cannot sustain our government on the revenues currently coming in. What we need costs more than what we raise. We need to raise more, and the wealthy are the one untapped part of the economy that should be paying for it.

THAT is primarily where I come from. I RECOGNIZE that an already elitist party is by its nature limited in numbers. And I recognize that it can only be marginalized further if it takes a "Let them eat cake" mentality, it will not be able to hold the line on important things, like national security (which the Democrats would cut).

We need Democrats to be reasonable on national security, and Republicans to be reasonable on social welfare. Neither are. So we need Independents to keep dragging the lunatic fringes back to the center.

I have no desire to "stick it" to the 1%.

Do you want to make a bet that I can't find you saying that you want to stick it to the rich? I think I can find multiple posts of yours that say that you do want to stick it to the rich.

www.globalresearch.ca/hid...e-first-world-war/5600090

The popular narrative is of course bullshit.

The rest of the word salad can be summed up by your tell about my opinions forever being in the minority due to demographics is pretty solid. I recognize people who’s opinions that are close to mine will have no voice soon. Ya, it’s true. We will see more and more Ilhan Omar’s, more AOCs, more Maxine Waters’ etc. making laws and appointing judges.

You seem to want to roll over and give them the inch already, not seeing how it will end for you and yours. Leftists are quick to scream demographics are destiny, and are not quite bright enough to see exactly where it WILL lead.

I wish your family luck. I’m sure if you think the left will give you the same treatment that Tolstoy received , well, good luck with that as well.

Do you want to make a bet that I can't find you saying that you want to stick it to the rich? I think I can find multiple posts of yours that say that you do want to stick it to the rich.

So? If I were to go sorting through your comments and words over the last 20 years of your life, and string them together, you'd sound like a poop-slinging monkey. I don't do that, because it accomplishes nothing. I'd spare myself the effort, if I were you. Because, you know, INTERNET and hyperbole go together like apple pie and cheese.

You seem to want to roll over and give them the inch already, not seeing how it will end for you and yours.

I don't advocate rolling over for anybody. On the things I want to see them a advance on, I want to see that advance because they're right.