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Title: God's plan for America
Source: WorldNetDaily.com
URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50508
Published: Jun 5, 2006
Author: Vox Day
Post Date: 2006-06-05 08:05:20 by continental op
Keywords: None
Views: 3042
Comments: 66

A pastor at a church I occasionally attend preached an interesting series of sermons a while back, as is his wont. In the sermons, he taught that politics is not a central concern for either individual Christians or the church, that God is neither a Democrat nor a Republican and that George W. Bush is the Antichrist.

(OK, I made that last one up. Everyone knows the Lizard Queen makes a much more likely candidate for the Antichrist. At least "W" doesn't eat puppies.)

The pastor's sermons were more effective than the usual Sunday lectures in that they inspired a powerful response from the church membership. Unfortunately, that response was for 30 percent of the church members to leave the church.

Now, I have no problem with anyone leaving a church for any reason; it's one of the many ways to demonstrate how the freedom in Jesus Christ is greater than that of any worldly government. But I do find it peculiar that there are so many people who make national politics a central part, if not the central point, of their theology. And I'm saying this as a member of the Christian right by blood; when Ralph Reed was in town with the Christian Coalition, he stayed at my parent's house.

While it's true that the vast majority of the Founding Fathers were Christians ?nearly half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were theologians ? it's also obvious they understood the difference between a nation of Christians and a Christian nation. It is without question that America was once a nation of Christians; it is rather less obvious that it is still one.

Consider the state of the seven deadly sins in America: Lust: Pamela Anderson and the Pussycat Dolls are famous. Enough said. Gluttony: 64 percent of Americans are overweight. Avarice: The concept of bling-bling was not invented in France. Sloth: We pay farmers not to farm, we pay workers not to work. Wrath: 5.5 murders per 100,000 is better than in the past, but still a high rate by world standards. Envy: The basis for our progressive tax system and most advertising concepts. Pride: Ask anyone from Argentina to New Zealand about this.

None of this should be taken as a criticism of the country. After all, America has rather more reason for harboring a sense of national pride than, say, Uzbekistan. But if we judge the nation by the Christian measure, its metaphorical fruits, one finds it very difficult to believe that the land of 40 million abortions and cradle-to-grave feminism is in the good graces of the life-affirming, children-loving God the Father.

There is, I suspect, an unconscious stream of omniderigence underlying the concept of divine American exceptionalism. Either God has inordinately blessed America because of the unique qualities of her inhabitants or because He has a special plan for America. The problem with the first possibility should be obvious in light of the character and behavior of said inhabitants; the problem with the latter is that it requires believing that the Christian God is responsible for the death of millions of unborn children, the establishment of transnational globalism and Paris Hilton.

If you believe that George W. Bush is the president because God wanted him to be, you must also accept that God also wanted Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Franklin Delano Roosevelt in office as well. Moreover, those who believe possessing supreme military power for the last 60 years proves divine favor would do well to remember that God's word expressly tells us about His plans for past superpowers when He sent the Assyrian and Babylonian empires against the kingdoms of Israel and Judea.

And then recall the U.S. military is now occupying the land in which the crumbled remnants of those long-vanished empires can be found.

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"Christianity and the American Commonwealth"

Vox Day is a novelist and Christian libertarian. He is a member of the SFWA, Mensa and the Southern Baptist church, and has been down with Madden since 1992. Visit his Web log, Vox Popoli, for daily commentary and responses to reader email.

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#26. To: Jhoffa_ (#23)

"...thou has now earned the name "mud"

Indeed I have...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Mudboy Slim (#13)

    So I can offer more sage wisdom per hour..

Seriously Mud, you either need to master the art of the snappy comeback or learn to think & debate.. or, perferably both.

As it is, you fail universally.

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Mudboy Slim (#25)

    And you are a gutless PUNK...deal with it.

You are brainless, gutless, and a punk.. Mud.

See how easy it is to "debate" via the unqualified one liner?

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jhoffa_ (#28)

LOL...you are a garden variety troll, little man...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jhoffa_ (#27)

"...you fail universally."

And still you and yer KlownPu$$y buddies insist on wasting untold hours trying to minimize my credibility...LOL!!

Sorry though, yer efforts are wasted on...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mudboy Slim (#29)

    LOL...you are a garden variety troll, little man...MUD

No, you are a garden variety troll, pencil neck.

(/Debate like Mudboy)

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mudboy Slim (#30)

    Sorry though, yer efforts are wasted on...MUD

LOL!

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mudboy Slim (#24)

Bein' yer own boss ROCKS.

Now I know why the Mexicans are taking over. What life has taught me is, when you're running a construction job, always appear busy, even if you really aren't.

Remember slim, somewhere out there is a Mexican architect with your name in it, who will work harder for half of the money you're getting.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   13:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: continental op (#33)

"...somewhere out there is a Mexican architect with your name in it"

However I won't hire him, and I am my number one client...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   14:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jhoffa_ (#31)

It's silly isn't it?...but it seems the KlownPu$$yBrigade is intent upon hurling epitaphs so I'm simply returning serve...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   14:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mudboy Slim (#34)

Where you located mud. I'm thinking about building a house in Kentucky. Do you design houses?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   15:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mudboy Slim (#35)

    It's silly isn't it?...but it seems the KlownPu$$yBrigade is intent upon hurling epitaphs so I'm simply returning serve...MUD

You're a rat bot! I'm returning serve!

(/Post like Mudboy dork)

Hell, this is easy.. anyone can post like Mudboy Slim.

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   15:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)

I'm in Virginia, and sure I design residential. I'm not licensed in KY, though. Have you looked into the predesign websites? A lot of time, that is the best way to sort of get a starting point.

Regards...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   15:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Mudboy Slim (#38)

I'm in Virginia, and sure I design residential. I'm not licensed in KY, though. Have you looked into the predesign websites? A lot of time, that is the best way to sort of get a starting point.

Perhaps you could reccomend a site. I'm not a rich dude. So I intend on building it in stages.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   15:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#36)

There are tons of these sites on google, but HERE's an Example.

Regards...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   15:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Mudboy Slim (#40)

I know I can google them. Sometimes an individual knows of a site that they could reccomend that they know is good through first hand experience. I'll take a look at what you posted later.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   15:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#41)

Get the pre-design. Punch! Professional Home Design is a good program.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   18:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006N3EWW/102-4916048-3111301? v=glance&n=229534

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   18:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Mudboy Slim (#34)

what a genuis.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   18:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#41)

"Sometimes an individual knows of a site that they could reccomend that they know is good through first hand experience."

I haven't really used them, except to give clients a shopping list of items they want included in their new home.

In any event, the lion's share of my work relates to historic renovations...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   19:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: continental op (#33)

Run people run, the messicans are taking over! A little paranoid are we?

Yeah those smart hardworking messicans, theyve built an empire.

While this is a topic about religion, heres a little something for you to chew on....... King James version, Mark12.verse31. THOU SHALL LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. Jesus says this is the second most important commandment. Since you brought up church and god.

For the record I dont claim to be a christian like most of the complete phonys posting on this site.

IronSage  posted on  2006-06-05   20:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: IronSage (#46)

A little paranoid are we?

You're infering a lot, brain surgeon.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   20:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: IronSage (#46)

and in case you didn't know it, I was joking.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   20:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: IronSage (#46)

God created the nations. Because you don't want your nation to be overrun by foreigners doesn't mean you aren't loving your neighbor.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2

And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3

And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar. 4

And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5

And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6

And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7

Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8

So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. 10

These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   20:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#49)

God created the nations. Because you don't want your nation to be overrun by foreigners doesn't mean you aren't loving your neighbor.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2

And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3

And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar. 4

And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5

And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6

And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7

Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8

So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. 10

These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

Mumbo...........Jumbo

Are you a christian?

IronSage  posted on  2006-06-05   20:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: continental op (#48)

and in case you didn't know it, I was joking.

No you werent, now wipe that egg off your face and get back to diggin, before the messicans take your job.

IronSage  posted on  2006-06-05   20:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: IronSage (#50)

But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18

And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19

But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20

For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25

It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? 26

Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29

Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. 32

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34

I confess him before men. I say he is the son of God and died for all of our sins. We can choose to accept him or reject him. I accept him. What about you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   20:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#52)

I confess him before men. I say he is the son of God and died for all of our sins. We can choose to accept him or reject him. I accept him. What about you?

Saying you accept him and doing the opposite is reject.

IronSage  posted on  2006-06-05   20:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: IronSage (#53)

For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   20:56:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#54)

For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25

Sounds spooky

IronSage  posted on  2006-06-05   20:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: IronSage (#51)

moron.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   22:00:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: continental op (#44)

"...what a genuis."

Thank you...believe me, you ain't the first to notice...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-06   8:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: IronSage (#46)

"THOU SHALL LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF."

So, are you a pro-Amnesty RINO-RAT?

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-06   8:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Mudboy Slim (#58)

"THOU SHALL LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF."

So, are you a pro-Amnesty RINO-RAT?

Pro amnesty rino rat? Let me guess, your a star wars geek, or a trekky. You think your somehow cool by reciting your moronic goofball phrases.

If you could comprehend anything other than silly phrases, you might have been able to figure out I was referencing the bible to show goofyboy what a hypocrite he is.

Does that answer your question? Chewbacca

IronSage  posted on  2006-06-06   20:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: IronSage (#59)

"Does that answer your question?"

Not really...you were quoting the "Love Thy Neighbor..." passage as part of the debate about ILLEGAL Immigration. While I may love my neighbors, if they break into my house and make themselves at home, I'm not gonna love them all that much...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-06   23:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: IronSage (#59)

"You think your somehow cool..."

Dude, I know I'm cool...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-07   0:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Mudboy Slim (#61)

LOL!

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-07   0:17:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Jhoffa_ (#62)

Heh heh heh.

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-07   0:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Mudboy Slim (#63)

    Heh heh heh.

Viewing your penis?

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-07   0:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jhoffa_ (#64)

What weirdness you spew...

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-07   8:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jhoffa_ (#64)

Hey cutie-pie...how's yer day going?

Love, mud

Question Conventional Wisdom!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-07   15:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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