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Title: God's plan for America
Source: WorldNetDaily.com
URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50508
Published: Jun 5, 2006
Author: Vox Day
Post Date: 2006-06-05 08:05:20 by continental op
Keywords: None
Views: 2959
Comments: 66

A pastor at a church I occasionally attend preached an interesting series of sermons a while back, as is his wont. In the sermons, he taught that politics is not a central concern for either individual Christians or the church, that God is neither a Democrat nor a Republican and that George W. Bush is the Antichrist.

(OK, I made that last one up. Everyone knows the Lizard Queen makes a much more likely candidate for the Antichrist. At least "W" doesn't eat puppies.)

The pastor's sermons were more effective than the usual Sunday lectures in that they inspired a powerful response from the church membership. Unfortunately, that response was for 30 percent of the church members to leave the church.

Now, I have no problem with anyone leaving a church for any reason; it's one of the many ways to demonstrate how the freedom in Jesus Christ is greater than that of any worldly government. But I do find it peculiar that there are so many people who make national politics a central part, if not the central point, of their theology. And I'm saying this as a member of the Christian right by blood; when Ralph Reed was in town with the Christian Coalition, he stayed at my parent's house.

While it's true that the vast majority of the Founding Fathers were Christians ?nearly half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were theologians ? it's also obvious they understood the difference between a nation of Christians and a Christian nation. It is without question that America was once a nation of Christians; it is rather less obvious that it is still one.

Consider the state of the seven deadly sins in America: Lust: Pamela Anderson and the Pussycat Dolls are famous. Enough said. Gluttony: 64 percent of Americans are overweight. Avarice: The concept of bling-bling was not invented in France. Sloth: We pay farmers not to farm, we pay workers not to work. Wrath: 5.5 murders per 100,000 is better than in the past, but still a high rate by world standards. Envy: The basis for our progressive tax system and most advertising concepts. Pride: Ask anyone from Argentina to New Zealand about this.

None of this should be taken as a criticism of the country. After all, America has rather more reason for harboring a sense of national pride than, say, Uzbekistan. But if we judge the nation by the Christian measure, its metaphorical fruits, one finds it very difficult to believe that the land of 40 million abortions and cradle-to-grave feminism is in the good graces of the life-affirming, children-loving God the Father.

There is, I suspect, an unconscious stream of omniderigence underlying the concept of divine American exceptionalism. Either God has inordinately blessed America because of the unique qualities of her inhabitants or because He has a special plan for America. The problem with the first possibility should be obvious in light of the character and behavior of said inhabitants; the problem with the latter is that it requires believing that the Christian God is responsible for the death of millions of unborn children, the establishment of transnational globalism and Paris Hilton.

If you believe that George W. Bush is the president because God wanted him to be, you must also accept that God also wanted Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Franklin Delano Roosevelt in office as well. Moreover, those who believe possessing supreme military power for the last 60 years proves divine favor would do well to remember that God's word expressly tells us about His plans for past superpowers when He sent the Assyrian and Babylonian empires against the kingdoms of Israel and Judea.

And then recall the U.S. military is now occupying the land in which the crumbled remnants of those long-vanished empires can be found.

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"Christianity and the American Commonwealth"

Vox Day is a novelist and Christian libertarian. He is a member of the SFWA, Mensa and the Southern Baptist church, and has been down with Madden since 1992. Visit his Web log, Vox Popoli, for daily commentary and responses to reader email.

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#1. To: continental op (#0)

it very difficult to believe that the land of 40 million abortions and cradle-to-grave feminism is in the good graces of the life-affirming, children-loving God the Father.

Good point.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   9:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: continental op (#0)

"George W. Bush is the Antichrist."

Tee hee hee...the HateBush crowd continues to make a spectacle of itself...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   9:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Mudboy Slim (#2)

Bush said that the muslims serve the same God Christians do. That means he called Jesus a liar. Christ said he was the only way. If you deny the christ you have the spirit of antichrist. Bush has the spirit of antichrist no doubt. Now is he the Beast? Probably not, but i'm sure he is good friends with him.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   9:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

"Bush said that the muslims serve the same God Christians do."

Which I explicitly agree with...imho, all monotheistic religions ultimately serve the same Supreme Being.

"That means he called Jesus a liar. Christ said he was the only way."

Nobody is calling Jesus a liar. Remember, the Bible wasn't compiled until over 300 years after Christ rose from the dead. By then, religion was being used as a justification for massacring and taking over other peoples. It was politically expedient to claim that if you don't agree with the Roman Catholic Church, you are destined fer hell. No way you can convince me that 100% of Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and Muslims go to hell!!

"Now is he the Beast? Probably not, but i'm sure he is good friends with him."

LOL...Dubyuh and the Beast are buddies, eh? That's almost as bad as his goofy kinship with Slick Willie...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   10:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mudboy Slim (#4)

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through Me.” Notice that Jesus Himself said this, and not merely His followers. Jesus Christ Himself proclaimed that He is the only way to God.

Yep your calling Jesus a liar. He is either a liar a kook or the son of God. Which is it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   10:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Nope, I'm saying Jesus has been misquoted...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   10:12:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)

So, you are saying that 100% of Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and Muslims go to hell!!

Preposterous, that's not how God Almighty would want it...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   10:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mudboy Slim (#6)

Nope, I'm saying Jesus has been misquoted...MUD

So in other words God is weak and can't preserve his word as he said he could.

How do you go about determining what is true in the word. Just pick what sounds good to you.

I believe the Bible is the uncorruptable word of God.

what was Jesus's purpose in dying on the cross if not to redeem us from sin. If anyone can make it then why would he do that. If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned in the garden of eden, would Jesus's sacrifice still had been necessary.

I threw in the Adam and Eve part to see if you believed that part of the bible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   10:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mudboy Slim (#2)

You cretin. No one said Bush is hte anti-christi.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   10:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: continental op (#9)

"No one said Bush is the anti-christ."

Duhh!! Read the first friggin' paragraph of the article, numbnutz...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   10:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Mudboy Slim (#10)

that's obviously all you read, you cretin. Now read the rest of the article. Why don't you freepers learn to read the entire article before offering your asinine comments?

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   10:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#8)

"...in other words God is weak and can't preserve his word"

No, humans are weak and corruptible and many have come to use religiosity as a way to attain more Power.

"I believe the Bible is the uncorruptable word of God."

Good for you...I do not...imho, the Bible is man's interpretation of God and Christ's teachings...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   10:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: continental op (#11)

"Why don't you freepers learn to read the entire article before offering your asinine comments?"

So I can offer more sage wisdom per hour...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   10:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: continental op (#11)

Ooops...

"So I can offer more sage wisdom per hour, PUNK"...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   10:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Mudboy Slim (#13)

God placed humans not angels on earth because we are inperfect. Accept God as your savior, and you will be accepted.

?Riddler?  posted on  2006-06-05   11:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ?Riddler? (#15)

"Accept God as your savior..."

Christ is my savior, but I can't say fer certain that there ain't other paths...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   11:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#8)

"I believe the Bible is the uncorruptable word of God."

So Mr. Stone, if you were to find out that the Bible was not 100% accurate, would it undermine yer faith?

Regards...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   11:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mudboy Slim (#17)

So Mr. Stone, if you were to find out that the Bible was not 100% accurate, would it undermine yer faith?

I don't think that can be done. Proving its not 100 percent accurate. Jesus said it would be translated to many tongues. I think God has the power to preserve his word. Saying that I will admit flaws in some versions. Such as the NIV. That is why I just stick with the Original translation to english. The King James. I've also recently learned about the Bishops Bible and the Geneva Bible. Which actually predate the King James version. I would trust those versions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   11:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Mudboy Slim (#16)

Christ is my savior, but I can't say fer certain that there ain't other paths...

Are you talking about other religions, re-encarnation, or moving up lifes ladder as Hindus believe?

?Riddler?  posted on  2006-06-05   11:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: ?Riddler? (#19)

All of the above, I reckon...I have faith that I am following the right path, but I have no concrete evidence that proves other paths aren't valid...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   12:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mudboy Slim (#13)

so you laze on the job, you mean.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   13:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Mudboy Slim (#20)

All of the above, I reckon...I have faith that I am following the right path, but I have no concrete evidence that proves other paths aren't valid...MUD

So, in essence you're a moron.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   13:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mudboy Slim (#7)

    Preposterous, that's not how God Almighty would want it...MUD

You don't know anything of the sort.

You don't believe what's written, how could you know anything about it?

Again, you offer nothing but unqualified opinions and delusional ramblings.. except this time you offer them not to men, but to the Almighty.

Truly, thou has now earned the name "mud"

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: continental op (#21)

"...you laze on the job"

Bein' yer own boss ROCKS...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: continental op (#22)

And you are a gutless PUNK...deal with it.

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jhoffa_ (#23)

"...thou has now earned the name "mud"

Indeed I have...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Mudboy Slim (#13)

    So I can offer more sage wisdom per hour..

Seriously Mud, you either need to master the art of the snappy comeback or learn to think & debate.. or, perferably both.

As it is, you fail universally.

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Mudboy Slim (#25)

    And you are a gutless PUNK...deal with it.

You are brainless, gutless, and a punk.. Mud.

See how easy it is to "debate" via the unqualified one liner?

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jhoffa_ (#28)

LOL...you are a garden variety troll, little man...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jhoffa_ (#27)

"...you fail universally."

And still you and yer KlownPu$$y buddies insist on wasting untold hours trying to minimize my credibility...LOL!!

Sorry though, yer efforts are wasted on...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   13:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mudboy Slim (#29)

    LOL...you are a garden variety troll, little man...MUD

No, you are a garden variety troll, pencil neck.

(/Debate like Mudboy)

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mudboy Slim (#30)

    Sorry though, yer efforts are wasted on...MUD

LOL!

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   13:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mudboy Slim (#24)

Bein' yer own boss ROCKS.

Now I know why the Mexicans are taking over. What life has taught me is, when you're running a construction job, always appear busy, even if you really aren't.

Remember slim, somewhere out there is a Mexican architect with your name in it, who will work harder for half of the money you're getting.

"When they come for your guns, it's time to use them."-Anthem

continental op  posted on  2006-06-05   13:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: continental op (#33)

"...somewhere out there is a Mexican architect with your name in it"

However I won't hire him, and I am my number one client...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   14:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jhoffa_ (#31)

It's silly isn't it?...but it seems the KlownPu$$yBrigade is intent upon hurling epitaphs so I'm simply returning serve...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   14:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mudboy Slim (#34)

Where you located mud. I'm thinking about building a house in Kentucky. Do you design houses?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   15:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mudboy Slim (#35)

    It's silly isn't it?...but it seems the KlownPu$$yBrigade is intent upon hurling epitaphs so I'm simply returning serve...MUD

You're a rat bot! I'm returning serve!

(/Post like Mudboy dork)

Hell, this is easy.. anyone can post like Mudboy Slim.

Democracy was getting old anyway...

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-06-05   15:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)

I'm in Virginia, and sure I design residential. I'm not licensed in KY, though. Have you looked into the predesign websites? A lot of time, that is the best way to sort of get a starting point.

Regards...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   15:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Mudboy Slim (#38)

I'm in Virginia, and sure I design residential. I'm not licensed in KY, though. Have you looked into the predesign websites? A lot of time, that is the best way to sort of get a starting point.

Perhaps you could reccomend a site. I'm not a rich dude. So I intend on building it in stages.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   15:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#36)

There are tons of these sites on google, but HERE's an Example.

Regards...MUD

Right Since Birth!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-06-05   15:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Mudboy Slim (#40)

I know I can google them. Sometimes an individual knows of a site that they could reccomend that they know is good through first hand experience. I'll take a look at what you posted later.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-06-05   15:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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