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Title: GORDON DUFF: “COLLATERAL DAMAGE,” SPINNING AWAY MURDER IN IRAQ
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Veteran's today
URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/0 ... -spinning-away-murder-in-iraq/
Published: Apr 7, 2010
Author: GORDON DUFF:
Post Date: 2010-04-08 01:01:02 by mininggold
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GORDON DUFF: “COLLATERAL DAMAGE,” SPINNING AWAY MURDER IN IRAQ April 7, 2010 by GORDON DUFF: “COLLATERAL DAMAGE,” SPINNING AWAY MURDER IN IRAQ· EXCUSES, EXPLANATIONS OR CONSPIRACY AND MISPRISION OF A FELONY TIME FOR THE “SPIN MASTERS” TO “PAY THE FIDDLER” By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor MSNBC, in an excellent video, has put out both sides of the story on the 2007 ”video game murder” in Iraq. The most telling aspect of this story isn’t just that we now know our own Army leaked the video or that many others like it exist, it is the lengths we go to using “surrogates” to spin away murder. Years of lies droning on, filling the American airwaves have made senseless and fantasy based explanations for daily issues, be they war, health care or the presidents birth certificate subject to “conspiracy theory.” What so many Americans have awakened to is that our real conspiracies are all formulated “at the top” where money and power seek to control public opinion thru disinformation. Now we are being told black is white on a video we can actually see. YouTube - Veterans Today - I wish to thank WikiLeaks and the people of the United States military who leaked this film along with those who support realistic reforms that this film demands. Taking a moment to put some reality into the spin, misinformation and attempts at a cover-up, we can get a few facts out. RPG 29, WEAPON SAID TO BE INSIDE CAMERA BAG 1. This film was made during the height of the surge. The area filmed is called a “hot zone.” This explanation, through omission is a lie. The primary activity of the surge was not combat but rather the realignment of the armed militias in the region being filmed through cash payments. If the two armed security people with the Reuter’s group were militia members, they were most likely employees of the United States government receiving a $300 a month stipend. Journalists are in far more danger in these areas than any other group, including American troops. The number of journalists kidnapped and murdered is astounding. These journalists would have had security personnel with them in that neighborhood. Thousands of armed militia, real militia with heavy weapons and uniforms, in this area of Baghdad were working for the US at this time. Assuming that these two lightly armed people with the unarmed group were not either security personnel, protecting the others from criminal gangs or paid militia working for the US is not based on the reality of the period and the location, is unrealistic. No permission to fire could have been made against this group, largely unarmed, and not a threat to anyone. Lying to interfere with an investigation or to hide a crime, whether done by a reporter or member of the military is a felony. 2. Statements that the Apache helicopter was subject to attack by this group is untrue. We have failed to reveal that the helicopter was, based on the optics and pattern of fire, nearly 1 mile away. The M789 ammunition which should have been used has an effective range, capable of Namir Noor-Eldeen, MURDERED JOURNALIST SAID TO HAVE 6 FOOT LONG RPG 29 HIDDEN IN HIS LENS BAG piercing tank armor, of 4000 meters, approximately 3 miles. The rationale given for the attack, that the Apache Longbow helicopters that were out of visual range, using their extremely sophisiticated optics were about to be attacked by advanced weaponry that of a size and type that only exists in science fiction, indicates a pattern of systematic deception between pilots and their controllers, deception meant to provide authorization for indiscriminate criminal activity. American optics can read a car license plate from earth orbit. We can certainly tell a child in a car or a movie camera the size of a woman’s purse from an RPG that is 6 feet long. Hitting a helicopter with a non-existent RPG hidden inside a camera bag, from a mile away, is utterly impossible. Also, hitting any target at long range with an AK-47, a weapon with a short range 7.62/39 cartridge is also impossible. YouTube - Veterans Today - 3. Assuming that a group of men on the streets of a neighborhood filled with criminal gangs, gangs living on bribe money paid by Americans, gangs who make a living by kidnapping journalists and local citizens, who have an armed escort are “insurgents” is simply crazy. Iraqis living there are in far more danger than Americans and die by the dozens, sometimes hundreds, each week. It is still going on at even higher levels than then with no Americans operating in the areas at all. The same people walk the same streets with the same guns today, in exactly the same way. It is how they stay alive. In America, we would call it our 2nd Amendment right. 4. The military and its “surrogates” have suggested the Apache was defending a nearby convoy from attacks from RPG 29s that they spotted inside the camera bags of the Reuter’s reporters. This is a photograph of an RPG 29: 5. The military has released a number of unsupported claims, one being that a convoy was in the area. Imagine a maze of small streets, an almost infinite maze. Not only were there no troops anywhere near the site of the incident but, in fact, directing them to find the area took some time. The “convoy” was, not only not going there, they didn’t even know how to find “there” even with the help of an Apache Longbow helicopter with advanced geo-navigation systems. 30mm CANNON SHELLS USED ON REPORTERS AND VAN 6. Iraq is an Islamic Republic and subject to Islamic law. Islamic law requires all citizens to assist any sick or wounded person. Every American knows this and, frankly, many Americans have benefited from this. Any Muslim that stops to help another is performing a religious duty, an act of similar importance to prayer itself. Attacking a Muslim for aiding the sick or injured is a criminal act in any Islamic country and, frankly, should be everywhere. The Americans who directed the murderous attack on the unarmed people who stopped to help the single severely wounded man were attacked, not only in direct violation of American rules of engagement but Islamic law. 7. Reports from the military indicate that false reports of a fire fight involving ground forces was part of the action. In such cases, commendations and medals are often awarded. What will a search of the military records of all involved reveal? Were any medals or commendations awarded based on inventing an incident to obscure criminal activity? What does this do to every American veteran and every decorated combat veteran if we find commendations were awarded for these “acts?” 8. As no statements on the “load-out” of the Apache Longbow helicopters involved has been made, is it possible that Depleted Uranium ammunition, now being sited by the Department of Veterans Affairs as cause for numerous illnesses suffered by Gulf War veterans, being used in this engagement? TYPICAL FRAGMENTATION PATTERN OF APACHE 30MM "ANTI-PERSONNEL" ROUND (USE OF SUCH WEAPONS BANNED BY THE GENEVA CONVENTION) PATTERNS OF SUBTERFUGE AND DECEPTION The internet is flooded with hundreds of videos, perhaps even thousands, demonstrating the prowess of advanced weaponry being used in an urban environment or against “insurgent” targets. Systems such as the Apache Longbow, designed for use against massed enemy armoured divisions with massive cannons designed to obliterate enemy tanks and highly fortified positions, when used against sporadically armed irregular forces or unarmed civilians seems a misapplication of resources at minimum and, frankly, insanity when looked at carefully. General Stanley McChrystal, recognizing that it was cheaper to hire insurgents at $300 per month than to use $5000 dollars worth of ammunition to kill one showed, not only amazing judgment but an appreciation for human life seldom seen in military leaders. Were the two armed personnel insurgents planning to attack an American convoy of Bradley fighting vehicles, using only two rifles and no extra ammunition or were these two security guards watching out for Reuters newsmen interviewing local leaders? Were the two armed men who were killed actually employed by the United States, as were others of their ilk in that neighborhood? What of the unarmed people with them? Do insurgent groups typically only arm some and not all? Are weapons hard to get in Iraq? We all know better than this. What of the totally unarmed group? Were they actually killed for trying to help wounded, as the tape says? Do Americans pay millions to Boeing to build the Apache helicopter or thousands to General Dynamics to manufacture the ammunition, for such senselessness? Do we spend millions training pilots for this kind of mission? Is there anything we could have done, spending so much money, misusing so many resources, to do as much damage to the reputation of the United States, the honor of her military forces and veterans and the security of our country? =http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ScreenHunter_29-Apr.-07-12.15.gif
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#1. To: All (#0)
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my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
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#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
What a liar. Posting the same slop over again.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Title: Cleverly-edited video becomes anti-military infomercial for world's dumbest blogger and his traditional posse of useful idiots. http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/04/cleverly-edited-video-becomes- anti.html Go see pictures In their most recent attempt to undermine the American military, the fulminating confluence of legacy media and leftist bloggers have seized upon a new report from USCENTCOM. The report details an investigation into a 2007 incident that led to the deaths of two Reuters journalists and injuries to two Iraqi children. A gun-camera video documenting the incident was edited before it was posted on WikiLeaks to incite progressive outrage. The editors provide plenty of fact-free editorializing and helpfully title the piece "Collateral Murder". A more accurate name would be "How Not to Use Journalists and Children as Human Shields." In the video, a group of military-aged males carrying (at minimum) two RPG launchers, multiple RPG rounds, and an AK-47 are, if not directly involved in a firefight with an approaching Bradley armored vehicle, in the very midst of the fight. At the direction of ground forces, a nearby Apache takes out the group using a 30mm. Minutes later, as the Bradely pulls up, the two dead Reuters reporters and two injured children are discovered. They evacuate the kids for medical treatment and, all the while, they are under small arms fire. Yes, there was a huge cover-up, which is why CENTCOM released the results of the entire freaking investigation, only to have it cleverly edited into an infomercial and fundraising vehicle for the enemies of America.<-Go see link here. "From the witness statements and the Apache gun-camera film, I determined that the engagement in which the Iraqi children were injured and the two Reuters News employees were killed began at 1020 hours... Bravo Company 2-16 soldiers were within 100 meters of the location of a group of armed insurgents and two individuals carrying cameras when Apache helicopters engaged the insurgents with 30mm gunfire. The engagement concluded with the evacuation of casualties at 1041 hours." Exhibit J: Exhibit K: Exhibit L: Exhibit M: Exhibit N: OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Since this is a military video and the military has not commented upon it, how would anyone know if it was "edited"?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
"We investigated ourselves and have found that we did nothing wrong." That said, it's not the men, Douche, it's the fucking "war"...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Its pretty clear this is being promoted to avoid focusing on what the current Regime is doing in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why bother further addressing it with a known kook?
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
He complains about another vet's view point yet there seemed to never be too many repetitive BC articles on LP for him to comment positively on. Gary seems to be able to pull "experts" out of a hat on any topic. The experts are always pro Bush and pro neocons. I like your comment ....I think I'll turn it into a tagline.
It's the war, stupid.
Ha...please make sure that you maintain proper word order there...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
This should fit nice and neat into a camera case.
It's the war, stupid.
I gave it a personal twist. lol
It's the war, stupid.
Here is an RPG-7, which was the one used. The insurgents had two of these plus several projectiles, which is the item on the end. They were not using the old style you showed.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
You need to tell that to Gordon Duff as its his picture from the article. And why would they call them RPG 29s, if they were not?
It's the war, stupid.
The video and report make no mention of the RPG-29. Both the RPG 7 and 29 are used by insurgents in Iraq. However, Duff doesn't appear to have ever been in the military or has extremely poor eyesight. The insurgents were using RPG-7s.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Learn how to post a picture moron.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
The idiot was embedded with AL Queda. Big deal. NO ONE CARES.
Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.
Gary seems to be able to pull "experts" out of a hat on any topic. The experts are always pro Bush and pro neocons. I like your comment ....I think I'll turn it into a tagline. Ming, Are you blind? The pricks have Aks and RPGs. Why do you want to support Al Queda over our boys? What a dummy you are.
Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.
The enhanced video clearly shows the RPG-7. OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
What a dummy you are. Im sorry that your sensibilities don't include the posting of articles critical of this ungodly war that seems meant to go on forever. I hope your children and grand children get their chance to participate. Why don't you just debate or argue the points of the article? I wasn't a personal witness or a crew member or a member of the military with an ability to get enhanced views on videos the military was relunctant to release, I'm just the messenger.... a concept you seem to have problems with. You need to ask yourself why you are afraid to get more than one side of an issue. You must be very young and easily impressed.
It's the war, stupid.
MSNBC
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#3. To: mininggold (#0)
#4. To: mininggold (#0)
"While at this objective, I enusred that security on the roof top were maintained of 360 degrees. We ddi a brief SSE at the site due to the fact that one AIF member was lying on a RPG round and all individuals were on their stomachs. The risk of being booby-trapped was the reason for not touching the bodies... while on site we were under constant small arms fire from the east. Medical treatment was rendered to injured AIF. EOD blew up RPG launchers, RPG rockets and AK-47s."
"3-4 truck engaged on AIF carrying an RPG south of the [objective]. It is undetermined whether we hit the target. We also heard small arms to the east where Crazy Horse also engaged targets."
"While on scene, Crazy Horse (the Apaches) engaged a house to the east where people with weapons were observed going in. There was also an RPG round down in place by EOD... I personally did not see any dead or wounded who were not military-aged males."
"I did not see any evidence that any of the dead or injured were non- combatants. All were in the vicinity of weapons (AK-47's/RPGs) and there no visible press passes, or othe rindicators that they were non-combatants."
"No, I believe all were involved [were combatants]. There were two RPG launchers, multiple rounds for them and an AK-47 on scene. Some of the males were described by Hotel 2-6 as the ones having pop shots at his PLT all day. All males were found within 20 meter radius to the weapons on the ground. Between the radio traffic from Crazy Horse before and during the engagement as well as what I took note of on scene, I believe that all males involved were not in any way non-combatants."
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#6. To: GarySpFC (#4)
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Yes, there was a huge cover-up, which is why CENTCOM released the results of the entire freaking investigation
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#8. To: war (#6)
That said, it's not the men, Douche, it's the fucking "war"...
#9. To: mininggold (#8)
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#11. To: war (#9)
Ha...please make sure that you maintain proper word order there...
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#13. To: GarySpFC (#12)
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Here is an RPG-7, which was the one used. The insurgents had two of these plus several projectiles, which is the item on the end. They were not using the old style you showed.
#14. To: mininggold (#13)
You need to tell that to Gordon Duff as its his picture from the article. And why would they call them RPG 29s, if they were not?
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#17. To: mininggold (#8)
e complains about another vet's view point yet there seemed to never be too many repetitive BC articles on LP for him to comment positively on.
#18. To: mininggold (#13)
You need to tell that to Gordon Duff as its his picture from the article. And why would they call them RPG 29s, if they were not?
#19. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#17)
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Are you blind? The pricks have Aks and RPGs. Why do you want to support Al Queda over our boys?
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