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Title: State of the health care debate: Talk radio attacks an 11-year old
Source: McClatchey
URL Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/ ... of-the-health-care-debate.html
Published: Mar 18, 2010
Author: McClatchey
Post Date: 2010-03-18 21:37:21 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 28683
Comments: 58

WASHINGTON — Conservative talk show hosts and columnists have ridiculed an 11-year-old Washington state boy's account of his mother's death as a "sob story" exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a "kiddie shield" to defend their health care legislation.

Marcelas Owens, whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he's taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride.

"My mother always taught me they can have their own opinion but that doesn't mean they are right," Owens, who lives in Seattle, said in an interview.

Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.

"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., told Marcelas Owens' story to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden at the White House health care summit last month. Murray also has spoken about it on the Senate floor. Last week, Owens was in the nation's capital to speak at a health care rally and to meet with Senate Democratic leadership.

Limbaugh, Beck and Malkin are skeptical about the story, saying there were other forms of medical help available after Owens' mother, Tifanny, lost her health insurance. They lambasted Democrats for using the story.

"Now this is unseemly, exploitative, an 11-year-old boy being forced to tell his story all over just to benefit the Democrat Party and Barack Obama," Limbaugh said on March 12, according to a transcript his show. "And, I would say this to Marcelas Owens: 'Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014.'"

Beck, according to a transcript of his March 15 show, pointed out that Owens' recent trip to Washington was paid for by Healthcare of America, a group that has been lobbying for a health care overhaul.

"That's the George Soros-funded Obama-approved group fighting for health care," Beck said. "Since all of the groups are so concerned and involved now, may I ask where were you when Marcelas' mother was vomiting blood?"

Beck, who's from Mount Vernon, Wash., said there were plenty of programs in Washington state that could have helped Tifanny Owens.

Malkin dismissed Marcelas Owens as "one of Obama's youngest lobbyists" who has been "goaded by a left-wing activist grandmother," promoted by Murray and has become a regular on the "pro-Obamacare circuit."

Malkin also suggested there were other programs that could have helped Tifanny Owens, adding, "It's not clear that additional doctors' visits in the subsequent months would have prevented her death."

Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there's no cure, it can be treated.

The treatments can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be "consistent and constant," said Katie Kroner, the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association.

"It's extremely important to have health coverage," she said.

Owens was an assistant manager at a fast food restaurant when she became sick in September 2006. As she became sicker, she missed work and was eventually fired, leaving her without health insurance. She was treated twice in an emergency room and died at age 27 after a week of unconsciousness. Gina Owens has custody of Marcelas and his two younger sisters.

Gina Owens said her daughter didn't qualify for Medicaid. State officials said that without knowing the details, it was impossible to speculate on whether Tifanny Owens would have qualified.

Tifanny Owens might have been eligible for Washington state's basic health care plan, which is aimed at the working poor. The plan has had a long waiting list for some time, said Sharon Michael of the Washington state Health Care Authority.

"Right now, we have 100,000 people on the wait list," Michael said.

Limbaugh has gone after young people before. In 2007, he told listeners that Democrats were exploiting an 18-year-old Yup'ik Eskimo and that her congressional testimony of global warming made him want to "puke."

Murray said she was appalled at how vicious the health care debate has become.

"The mom in me is getting really mad," she said. "You don't tear apart an 11-year-old because his mom died."

Marcelas Owens said he'll never know if his mother might have lived if she had health insurance.

"At least if she had it she would've had a fighting chance," he said.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/18/90669/state-of-the-health-care-debate.html#ixzz0iaA7AJs8

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#19. To: sneakypete (#18)

You can NOT improve health care by literally adding tens of millions of new people to the government paid health care rolls (illegal aliens) and save money at the same time. It just can't be done,and anybody that thinks it can needs to be put away in a state farm for fools for their own protection.

On that we agree and I have stated that before you go off half cocked and work on paying for health services that the availability and delivery of them HAS to increase and increase a lot.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#16)

Somebody please point out to me a program in either Washington State or in Bush 4.0's proposed health care program that could have "helped" cure terminal cancer or removed the pain and sickness.

I have no idea if her condition was terminal or not. She did have treatment at the emergency room (and she obviously didn't pay for it).

The point is that everybody has access to health care NOW. Yes, if you don't pay for it, you are going to have to wait and it won't be of the highest quality. But the Democrats now won't to put everybody in the same boat as those who don't pay. Level the playing field by making sure everybody has shitty health care.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#14)

What I cannot understand is why it's an issue to point out how she exploits them to further her own ambition and that it's me just being "hysterical".

Yup,she is the only politician in the history of the world that has brought her family up on a stage so people could see them. The horrors of child abuse!

No doubt about it,child services should take them all away from her and put them in foster care.

BTW,which one of the pre-teens has she sent cross country to make a political speech?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#17)

The current reform being proposed, had it been in effect, would have gotten her treatment.

Really? Do tell. Please be specific about what treatment she would have received.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: dont eat that (#20)

Somebody please point out to me a program in either Washington State or in Bush 4.0's proposed health care program that could have "helped" cure terminal cancer or removed the pain and sickness.

I have no idea if her condition was terminal or not.

She died from it. That is about as terminal as it gets.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#22)

Please be specific about what treatment she would have received.

She'd have gotten the medicine that would have controlled the hypertension.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#19)

I have stated that before you go off half cocked and work on paying for health services that the availability and delivery of them HAS to increase and increase a lot.

And how is that going to cut costs and make the system more viable? Who is going to provide these additional health services? The fact is that if this system is implemented, there are going to be fewer doctors, and the health care available will be spread paper thin.

Shit, you are stupid.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#23)

She died from it. That is about as terminal as it gets.

Chyea...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#23) (Edited)

She died from it. That is about as terminal as it gets.

People die from a lot of illnesses that aren't terminal. Pulmonary hypertension is treatable.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/pulmonary-hypertension/treatment.html

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: go65 (#0)

"The mom in me is getting really mad," she said. "You don't tear apart an 11-year-old because his mom died."

Nobody did this. Every comment about this matter, when you review it, has not one attack on the 11 year old.

There are a wide array of programs in Washington State to provide medical care to anyone that chooses to avail themselves of it. If this woman did not do so, obviously she fucked up big time.

Nobody is denied healthcare in this nation, especially in a life threatening situation. Nobody.

Bottom line is politicians should not be using CHILDREN in such a manner. To pretend if one side mentions 'children' and thereby you cannot question the point being made is absurd.

I feel sorry for the kid. Losing your mom at such and early age...the only thing worse is the mother seeing her child die before her in my view.

But its pretty obvious to anyone rational the mother made a fatal error here by not seeking medical treatment in a timely fashion. There is nothing in this insane healthcare bill that prevents stupidity on the part of the patient.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   10:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Clara Boofer (#28) (Edited)

Nobody is denied healthcare in this nation, especially in a life threatening situation. Nobody.

That's just not true. People are denied coverage that would save their life every day.

As for this woman, the article clearly states that for what she needed there were 100k people in front of her.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   10:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#24)

Please be specific about what treatment she would have received.

She'd have gotten the medicine that would have controlled the hypertension.

She was so poor she couldn't afford to pay for a 4 dollar prescription?

AND.....,didn't she die of cancer,not hypertension?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   11:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#30)

She was so poor she couldn't afford to pay for a 4 dollar prescription?

Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there's no cure, it can be treated.

The treatments can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be "consistent and constant," said Katie Kroner, the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association.

"It's extremely important to have health coverage," she said.

Owens was an assistant manager at a fast food restaurant when she became sick in September 2006. As she became sicker, she missed work and was eventually fired, leaving her without health insurance. She was treated twice in an emergency room and died at age 27 after a week of unconsciousness.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   11:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#30)

I guess we're making progress...nobody has claimed Cheney poisoned or shot her...

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   11:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#21) (Edited)

Her exploitation of her family extends far beyond merely bringing them on stage.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   12:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Badeye (#28)

There are a wide array of programs in Washington State to provide medical care to anyone that chooses to avail themselves of it. If this woman did not do so, obviously she fucked up big time.

so far nobody has produced an example of a program that would have helped her, the medicaid program she would have qualified for has a long wait list.

This is the vision of folks like yourself for healthcare: if you can't afford insurance or care, and you can't get help from charity, you die.

I don't see why the GOP is fussing, they should be holding this dead mother up as an example for the kind of change they want to bring to this country.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-19   12:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: go65 (#34)

so far nobody has produced an example of a program that would have helped her, the medicaid program she would have qualified for has a long wait list.

I see. Its now MY responsibility? Get a grip, mom. She was an adult, in Washington State. Its on HER to take care of HER medical issues.

You nanny state types kill me.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   12:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Boofer Nightengale (#35) (Edited)

Its on HER to take care of HER medical issues.

She did. Look where it got her.

And I will try to keep in mind how you folks opposed reform becauise of the false issue of "Death Panels". I will also recall how incensed you were when Grayson correctly pointed out that your health care policy is: GET SICK DIE QUICK.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   12:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#36)

It got her fired too.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-19   12:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Fred Mertz (#37)

Chyea...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   12:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Badeye (#35)

I see. Its now MY responsibility? Get a grip, mom. She was an adult, in Washington State. Its on HER to take care of HER medical issues.

You: "There are a wide array of programs in Washington State to provide medical care to anyone that chooses to avail themselves of it."

Me: Name one.

Your turn.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-19   13:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war, fred mertz, badeye (#36)

And I will try to keep in mind how you folks opposed reform becauise of the false issue of "Death Panels". I will also recall how incensed you were when Grayson correctly pointed out that your health care policy is: GET SICK DIE QUICK.

That's the nut, on the one hand the GOP says they will oppose any cuts from medicare. On the other hand they argue that there shouldn't be any government assistance for the uninsured.

Maybe you can correlate those views, because I sure can't.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-19   13:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: go65 (#40)

That's the nut, on the one hand the GOP says they will oppose any cuts from medicare.

For whatever you might think of Medicare, it is mostly used by people who have payed into the system their whole lives. Money is proposed to be stolen from the program to provide coverage for illegal aliens and deadbeats.

Medicare is almost insolvent as it is. So I guess the actual people who will be told to DIE QUICK will be the seniors who otherwise could have used Medicare.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   13:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: go65 (#40) (Edited)

You know its not that 'simplistic' GO65.

First, lets have an honest accounting of who, exactly, is 'uninsured'. Without the bullshit 'they can't get healthcare' rhetoric. They can, and do, daily.

But first, how many are there? In my view, if its 20 - 30 million, its a helluva lot cheaper to insure THEM, rather than tear up the entire system and dramatically increase costs, deficits.

We are already seeing both private practice doctors, and large drug outlets like Walgrees RUNNING AWAY due to this insane bill.

If we had started over, and actually gone 'bi partisan' rather than hammer and tongs PARTISANSHIP from day one of this mess a year or so ago, we wouldn't be 'here' today.

There are things even you and I agree upon related to the issue, and we're about as far apart politically you can get.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   13:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: dont eat that (#41)

Medicaid, along with Mass-health are the two best examples of why this bill has to be stopped, tossed out, and then redone in my view.

Yet you bring up Mass-health, you are told 'why are you just citing one state' (another forum not here).

And you get the blah blah blah we all see related to Medicaid.

Bottom line is both are insolvent. That should be a clear warning to all against the design and intent of this healthcare bill thats scaring the living hell out of small business owners today.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   13:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Boofer (#42)

You no [sic] its not that 'simplistic' GO65.

Geezus fuck, Boof...

But first, how many are there?

46.3MM

Not knowing a basic number such as that paints you as wholy clueless about the issue.

That said, the question that was ACTUALLY put before you as this:

Name one of the "wide array of programs in Washington State to provide medical care to anyone that chooses to avail themselves of it" that would have saved this woman had she "chosen" to avail herself o it.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   13:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Badeye (#43) (Edited)

HRC in its current form in no way resembles MA Health.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   13:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Boofer Penn Warren, Fred Mertz (#42)

#42. To: go65 (#40) (Edited)

And there was much rejoicing...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   14:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#46)

Amazing!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-19   15:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Fred Mertz (#47) (Edited)

We finally found his embarrassment level...it's being called out for using "no" for "know"...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   15:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#11)

the typical 11 year old DOES understand more than the typical adult Dim.

Good point Pete.

Borne out so well just viewing the posts of the tards on this very site.

Hard to say if we'll live long enough to actually see a 2 party system like we used to have tho.....

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-03-21   0:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: e_type_jag (#49)

There is a One Party System, numb-nuts.

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#51. To: Fred Mertz (#50)

Hard to say if we'll live long enough to actually see a 2 party system like we used to have tho.....

Ummmmm....I will post with no overt derision to you this one time.

Read the above over again and figure it out.....either that or use your innate leftist need for "nuance" to do so.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-03-21   0:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Fred Mertz (#50)

There is a One Party System, numb-nuts.

Don't tell him that, he needs the paycheck.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   0:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: moaningskank (#52)

Saturday nite....slow night up there at the Pilot truck stop?

No takers huh?...maybe too much moon so they get a look at your needle tracks and broken teeth and back away eh?

Piss off ya punk bitch Petri dish.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-03-21   1:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: e_type_jag (#49)

Hard to say if we'll live long enough to actually see a 2 party system like we used to have tho.....

I know I won't,and I'm sorry to say I doubt anybody will live that long.

Here is the ugly truth. Conservatives,NOT the same thing as Republicans,had better take over control of the House in 2010 or it's over. IF this happens,there just might be a very slim chance that America will survive as a sovereign nation and a Republic. If not,it makes no difference which fascist gets elected president in 2012 because that will probably be the last popular election. By 2016 the feral government will be firmly in control of all aspects of our lives and the Republic will be over for all time.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-21   7:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Fred Mertz, e_type_jag (#50)

There is a One Party System, numb-nuts.

Fred,he pretty much said that in his post to me. If there wasn't a One Party system in effect already there would be no need for a return to a Two Party system in the future.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-21   7:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: sneakypete (#55)

Fred,he pretty much said that in his post to me. If there wasn't a One Party system in effect already there would be no need for a return to a Two Party system in the future.

Yet he only rails against one side of the two party charade, and against those he deems are not marching strictly on the GOP side. Why is that?

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   14:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#56)

he only rails against one side

While you blow dims, mooslimes and commies, hagatha!

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-03-21   18:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: moaningskank (#56)

Yet he only rails against one side of the two party charade,

Sigh.......soggy truck stop mattress.....I'm going to have to ask if you think for instance my use of "boosh" is complementary to the man?

As far as "railing", I guess in your STD deranged noggin you think railing against who is ......not....... in power makes some sense eh?

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-03-21   19:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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