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Title: State of the health care debate: Talk radio attacks an 11-year old
Source: McClatchey
URL Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/ ... of-the-health-care-debate.html
Published: Mar 18, 2010
Author: McClatchey
Post Date: 2010-03-18 21:37:21 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 28684
Comments: 58

WASHINGTON — Conservative talk show hosts and columnists have ridiculed an 11-year-old Washington state boy's account of his mother's death as a "sob story" exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a "kiddie shield" to defend their health care legislation.

Marcelas Owens, whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he's taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride.

"My mother always taught me they can have their own opinion but that doesn't mean they are right," Owens, who lives in Seattle, said in an interview.

Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.

"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., told Marcelas Owens' story to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden at the White House health care summit last month. Murray also has spoken about it on the Senate floor. Last week, Owens was in the nation's capital to speak at a health care rally and to meet with Senate Democratic leadership.

Limbaugh, Beck and Malkin are skeptical about the story, saying there were other forms of medical help available after Owens' mother, Tifanny, lost her health insurance. They lambasted Democrats for using the story.

"Now this is unseemly, exploitative, an 11-year-old boy being forced to tell his story all over just to benefit the Democrat Party and Barack Obama," Limbaugh said on March 12, according to a transcript his show. "And, I would say this to Marcelas Owens: 'Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014.'"

Beck, according to a transcript of his March 15 show, pointed out that Owens' recent trip to Washington was paid for by Healthcare of America, a group that has been lobbying for a health care overhaul.

"That's the George Soros-funded Obama-approved group fighting for health care," Beck said. "Since all of the groups are so concerned and involved now, may I ask where were you when Marcelas' mother was vomiting blood?"

Beck, who's from Mount Vernon, Wash., said there were plenty of programs in Washington state that could have helped Tifanny Owens.

Malkin dismissed Marcelas Owens as "one of Obama's youngest lobbyists" who has been "goaded by a left-wing activist grandmother," promoted by Murray and has become a regular on the "pro-Obamacare circuit."

Malkin also suggested there were other programs that could have helped Tifanny Owens, adding, "It's not clear that additional doctors' visits in the subsequent months would have prevented her death."

Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there's no cure, it can be treated.

The treatments can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be "consistent and constant," said Katie Kroner, the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association.

"It's extremely important to have health coverage," she said.

Owens was an assistant manager at a fast food restaurant when she became sick in September 2006. As she became sicker, she missed work and was eventually fired, leaving her without health insurance. She was treated twice in an emergency room and died at age 27 after a week of unconsciousness. Gina Owens has custody of Marcelas and his two younger sisters.

Gina Owens said her daughter didn't qualify for Medicaid. State officials said that without knowing the details, it was impossible to speculate on whether Tifanny Owens would have qualified.

Tifanny Owens might have been eligible for Washington state's basic health care plan, which is aimed at the working poor. The plan has had a long waiting list for some time, said Sharon Michael of the Washington state Health Care Authority.

"Right now, we have 100,000 people on the wait list," Michael said.

Limbaugh has gone after young people before. In 2007, he told listeners that Democrats were exploiting an 18-year-old Yup'ik Eskimo and that her congressional testimony of global warming made him want to "puke."

Murray said she was appalled at how vicious the health care debate has become.

"The mom in me is getting really mad," she said. "You don't tear apart an 11-year-old because his mom died."

Marcelas Owens said he'll never know if his mother might have lived if she had health insurance.

"At least if she had it she would've had a fighting chance," he said.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/18/90669/state-of-the-health-care-debate.html#ixzz0iaA7AJs8

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#1. To: go65 (#0) (Edited)

Assholes. Boofer is on another thread justifying his fellow Tea Baggers verbal and near physical abuse of a man afflicted with Parkinson's by claiming that Palin's family was subject to far worse.

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   21:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#0)

Thanks for posting this.

I saw a clip on this, MSNBC I think, a day or so ago and forgot to follow-up on it.

;)

Brian S  posted on  2010-03-18   21:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#1)

Assholes. Boofer is on another thread justifying his fellow Tea Baggers verbal and near physical abuse of a man afflicted with Parkinson's by claiming that Palin's family was subject to far worse.

By who?

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-18   22:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Stupid floorlicking brownshirt communists (#3)

"The mom in me is getting really mad," she said. "You don't tear apart an 11-year-old because his mom died."

Nobody tore up anyone....especially their little whored out "trophy" child who somehow in his grief found his way clear across the country to accept this "teachable moment" professorship.

An 11 year olds' opinion coupled with his expansive knowledge on heathcare issues is relevant eh?

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-03-19   0:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: small_type_dick (#4)

Riiight...but Palin trotting out her children at Yankee Stadium for photo ops is just an expression of her family values.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   8:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: small_type_dick (#4)

An 11 year olds' opinion coupled with his expansive knowledge on heathcare issues is relevant eh?

Then why would an 11 year old preaching gospel before school be relevant?

But it's cool to note that you're claiming that no one is attacking an 11 year old as you...wait for it...attack him...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   8:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: go65 (#0)

"Now this is unseemly, exploitative, an 11-year-old boy being forced to tell his story all over just to benefit the Democrat Party and Barack Obama,"

Exactly spot on. This is nothing more than wining and dining and exploiting a child to prop up Obama's legacy. That is what's shameful.

Beck, who's from Mount Vernon, Wash., said there were plenty of programs in Washington state that could have helped Tifanny Owens.

And they are probably at least as good as the fucking health care meat market which will exist if the assholes in the Democratic Party ever implement the kind of health care they want for the nation.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   8:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#0)

Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.

"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."

I'll tell ya who should be ashamed,grandmothers who allow their 11 year old grandsons to be exploited.

The Bush 4.0 administration is now claiming that the government is going to SAVE 168 BILLION bucks over the next 10 years if the insurance company written health care bill (his biggest financial backers are Soros,owner of GEICO,and Buffett,owner of Progressive)is passed.

Somebody want to splain to me how everybody is going to get all the health care they need while the gubbermint is saving 168 billion bucks?

Anybody out there SUSPECT that maybe,JUST MAYBE,there is going to be a cut back in services?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#8)

The Bush 4.0 administration

Okay...now THAT is funny...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#8)

Anybody out there SUSPECT that maybe,JUST MAYBE,there is going to be a cut back in services?

How about the elimination of a few of he health care money launderers?

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: e_type_jag (#4)

An 11 year olds' opinion coupled with his expansive knowledge on heathcare issues is relevant eh?

Well,to be fair to the kid,the typical 11 year old DOES understand more than the typical adult Dim.

This is especially true of the Dim leadership.

What people are missing out on due to the partisan games being played is that John McLunatic would have done the same thing if he had been elected,and he helped Fat Teddy Kennedy write the original bill.

Screw 3rd parties. What we REALLY need is a 2nd Party.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#5)

Riiight...but Palin trotting out her children at Yankee Stadium for photo ops is just an expression of her family values.

Uhhhh,what part about them actually being her family is it that you can't understand?

Bush 4.0 being in trouble really has you getting hysterical,doesn't it?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#8)

Somebody want to splain to me how everybody is going to get all the health care they need while the gubbermint is saving 168 billion bucks?

They're stealing the money from Medicare and calling it "savings."

It's like if I rob you of 1000 dollars and claim I didn't steal anything; I merely saved you 1000 dollars because now you won't be spending that 1000 dollars.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#12) (Edited)

Uhhhh,what part about them actually being her family is it that you can't understand?

Nothing.

What I cannot understand is why it's an issue to point out how she exploits them to further her own ambition and that it's me just being "hysterical".

You've made the same observation, btw.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#14)

Are you that stupid that you can't understand the difference between someone simply introducing her own family to the public while running for office and the Democratic Party using a kid as a prop to advance a political policy?

Answer: yes, you probably are.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: dont eat that, go65, war (#7)

Beck, who's from Mount Vernon, Wash., said there were plenty of programs in Washington state that could have helped Tifanny Owens.

More partisan BullBarrack.

Somebody please point out to me a program in either Washington State or in Bush 4.0's proposed health care program that could have "helped" cure terminal cancer or removed the pain and sickness.

No,Euthanasia doesn't count.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16) (Edited)

Somebody please point out to me a program in either Washington State or in Bush 4.0's proposed health care program that could have "helped" cure terminal cancer or removed the pain and sickness.

The current reform being proposed, had it been in effect, would have gotten her treatment.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#10)

Anybody out there SUSPECT that maybe,JUST MAYBE,there is going to be a cut back in services?

How about the elimination of a few of he health care money launderers?

Window dressing,and nothing more. We all know the big health care providers and HMO's ain't gonna be touched.

What WILL be "touched" (presuming you call a body slam a touch) is medicare and medicaid. The cuts there will WITHOUT A DOUBT result in fewer tests being available or ran for people with private health care plans simply because the equipment and the people to run the tests will no longer be available once medicare and medicaid no longer participate in those test programs.

You can NOT improve health care by literally adding tens of millions of new people to the government paid health care rolls (illegal aliens) and save money at the same time. It just can't be done,and anybody that thinks it can needs to be put away in a state farm for fools for their own protection.

Of course,these fool farms will also be closed because there won't be any money for them.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#18)

You can NOT improve health care by literally adding tens of millions of new people to the government paid health care rolls (illegal aliens) and save money at the same time. It just can't be done,and anybody that thinks it can needs to be put away in a state farm for fools for their own protection.

On that we agree and I have stated that before you go off half cocked and work on paying for health services that the availability and delivery of them HAS to increase and increase a lot.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#16)

Somebody please point out to me a program in either Washington State or in Bush 4.0's proposed health care program that could have "helped" cure terminal cancer or removed the pain and sickness.

I have no idea if her condition was terminal or not. She did have treatment at the emergency room (and she obviously didn't pay for it).

The point is that everybody has access to health care NOW. Yes, if you don't pay for it, you are going to have to wait and it won't be of the highest quality. But the Democrats now won't to put everybody in the same boat as those who don't pay. Level the playing field by making sure everybody has shitty health care.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#14)

What I cannot understand is why it's an issue to point out how she exploits them to further her own ambition and that it's me just being "hysterical".

Yup,she is the only politician in the history of the world that has brought her family up on a stage so people could see them. The horrors of child abuse!

No doubt about it,child services should take them all away from her and put them in foster care.

BTW,which one of the pre-teens has she sent cross country to make a political speech?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#17)

The current reform being proposed, had it been in effect, would have gotten her treatment.

Really? Do tell. Please be specific about what treatment she would have received.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: dont eat that (#20)

Somebody please point out to me a program in either Washington State or in Bush 4.0's proposed health care program that could have "helped" cure terminal cancer or removed the pain and sickness.

I have no idea if her condition was terminal or not.

She died from it. That is about as terminal as it gets.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   9:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#22)

Please be specific about what treatment she would have received.

She'd have gotten the medicine that would have controlled the hypertension.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#19)

I have stated that before you go off half cocked and work on paying for health services that the availability and delivery of them HAS to increase and increase a lot.

And how is that going to cut costs and make the system more viable? Who is going to provide these additional health services? The fact is that if this system is implemented, there are going to be fewer doctors, and the health care available will be spread paper thin.

Shit, you are stupid.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#23)

She died from it. That is about as terminal as it gets.

Chyea...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   9:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#23) (Edited)

She died from it. That is about as terminal as it gets.

People die from a lot of illnesses that aren't terminal. Pulmonary hypertension is treatable.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/pulmonary-hypertension/treatment.html

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   9:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: go65 (#0)

"The mom in me is getting really mad," she said. "You don't tear apart an 11-year-old because his mom died."

Nobody did this. Every comment about this matter, when you review it, has not one attack on the 11 year old.

There are a wide array of programs in Washington State to provide medical care to anyone that chooses to avail themselves of it. If this woman did not do so, obviously she fucked up big time.

Nobody is denied healthcare in this nation, especially in a life threatening situation. Nobody.

Bottom line is politicians should not be using CHILDREN in such a manner. To pretend if one side mentions 'children' and thereby you cannot question the point being made is absurd.

I feel sorry for the kid. Losing your mom at such and early age...the only thing worse is the mother seeing her child die before her in my view.

But its pretty obvious to anyone rational the mother made a fatal error here by not seeking medical treatment in a timely fashion. There is nothing in this insane healthcare bill that prevents stupidity on the part of the patient.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   10:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Clara Boofer (#28) (Edited)

Nobody is denied healthcare in this nation, especially in a life threatening situation. Nobody.

That's just not true. People are denied coverage that would save their life every day.

As for this woman, the article clearly states that for what she needed there were 100k people in front of her.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   10:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#24)

Please be specific about what treatment she would have received.

She'd have gotten the medicine that would have controlled the hypertension.

She was so poor she couldn't afford to pay for a 4 dollar prescription?

AND.....,didn't she die of cancer,not hypertension?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-03-19   11:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#30)

She was so poor she couldn't afford to pay for a 4 dollar prescription?

Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there's no cure, it can be treated.

The treatments can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be "consistent and constant," said Katie Kroner, the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association.

"It's extremely important to have health coverage," she said.

Owens was an assistant manager at a fast food restaurant when she became sick in September 2006. As she became sicker, she missed work and was eventually fired, leaving her without health insurance. She was treated twice in an emergency room and died at age 27 after a week of unconsciousness.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   11:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#30)

I guess we're making progress...nobody has claimed Cheney poisoned or shot her...

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Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   11:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#21) (Edited)

Her exploitation of her family extends far beyond merely bringing them on stage.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   12:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Badeye (#28)

There are a wide array of programs in Washington State to provide medical care to anyone that chooses to avail themselves of it. If this woman did not do so, obviously she fucked up big time.

so far nobody has produced an example of a program that would have helped her, the medicaid program she would have qualified for has a long wait list.

This is the vision of folks like yourself for healthcare: if you can't afford insurance or care, and you can't get help from charity, you die.

I don't see why the GOP is fussing, they should be holding this dead mother up as an example for the kind of change they want to bring to this country.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-19   12:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: go65 (#34)

so far nobody has produced an example of a program that would have helped her, the medicaid program she would have qualified for has a long wait list.

I see. Its now MY responsibility? Get a grip, mom. She was an adult, in Washington State. Its on HER to take care of HER medical issues.

You nanny state types kill me.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   12:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Boofer Nightengale (#35) (Edited)

Its on HER to take care of HER medical issues.

She did. Look where it got her.

And I will try to keep in mind how you folks opposed reform becauise of the false issue of "Death Panels". I will also recall how incensed you were when Grayson correctly pointed out that your health care policy is: GET SICK DIE QUICK.

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   12:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#36)

It got her fired too.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-19   12:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Fred Mertz (#37)

Chyea...

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war  posted on  2010-03-19   12:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Badeye (#35)

I see. Its now MY responsibility? Get a grip, mom. She was an adult, in Washington State. Its on HER to take care of HER medical issues.

You: "There are a wide array of programs in Washington State to provide medical care to anyone that chooses to avail themselves of it."

Me: Name one.

Your turn.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-19   13:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war, fred mertz, badeye (#36)

And I will try to keep in mind how you folks opposed reform becauise of the false issue of "Death Panels". I will also recall how incensed you were when Grayson correctly pointed out that your health care policy is: GET SICK DIE QUICK.

That's the nut, on the one hand the GOP says they will oppose any cuts from medicare. On the other hand they argue that there shouldn't be any government assistance for the uninsured.

Maybe you can correlate those views, because I sure can't.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-19   13:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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