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Title: SHOCKING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROMISED LAND!
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Published: Dec 31, 2023
Author: Israel MyChannel
Post Date: 2023-12-31 02:18:01 by A K A Stone
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#1. To: vicomte13 (#0)

You're more educated that I. What do you think about this. Is it accurate? Maybe you don't know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-12-31   2:18:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Ok, I listened for awhile, until I heard certain sneaky and persistent errors, and decided to stop. You have several posts here on the same subject: Israel, the Prmised Land of the Jews, and such. You’ve asked me to comment, and I will. I’m not going to comment from a secular perspective, but from a Biblical perspective. You are right that I have a great deal of knowledge. I have learned the Bible by reading it over, and over and over, in different languages. In the crucial parts, I have gone to the Latin, Greek or Hebrew, even learned the paleo-Hebrew script to be able to see for myself.

In this regard, I have been true to myself as an experienced lawyer. Many associates working for me over the years have been taught a key lesson when it comes to understanding legal texts, contracts (a covenant is a contract): “Don’t tell me what it MEANS, tell me what it SAYS.”

The legislator, the person writing the contract, did not mean what you want him to mean. He meant exactly what he wrote. This is ESPECIALLY true if the author of the covenant is God himself. God didn’t make mistakes. He said what he said, and he meant THAT, not what some latter-day rabbi, or imam, or minister, or priest WANTS him to have met. I’ve read the Bible 18 times. I know what it says. And I know it does not say and what it does say. Now I will share some of that with you, because you asked.

Let’s start with Abraham. God did indeed promise that land to Abraham’s heirs. Note well, this is NOT the Jews. The “Jews”, as such, would not exist until after the destruction of the Nothern King of Israel by Sennacherib of the Assyrians in the 600’s BC, leaving only the Kingdom of Judah and its cult. But even then those left behind were not Jews. “Jews” don’t exist until the return from the Babylonian exile of the Judaeans in the 400s, and they were in contradistinction from the Samaitans, who remained in their land and followed the Torah, written in the ancient script. There is a great deal of rewriting of history in the imagination of the modern-day descendants of the Jews of Judaea, extending their claims over all and denying the legitimate claims of anyone else.

Many Christians in American buy into this fantasy, but if they read carefully, they won’t find it in their Bible AT ALL. What they WILL find is something very different.

Starting with Abraham, God did not promise rulership of the land to Abraham. He only promised the land (no mention of rulership, or exclusivity) to Abraham’s heirs Isaac AND Ishmael, his oldest boy. He promised the land to them both, and he promised a degree of strife in that land forever because of it. He said that the tents of Isaac and Ismael would live up against each other, and that Ishmael’s sons hands would against Isaac’s. He NEVER, EVER promised the victory of one over the other. No. He promised they’d both be in the land, and would trouble each other FOREVER. Which is, of course, EXACTLY what has happened, and still is. Jews are descendants of Isaac. Arabs are descendants of Ishmael. And God promised the land to BOTH sons…and perpetual strife. So, the Jews claim God gave them the land. And they lie - they follow their own self- serving view. God promised the land to Isaac and Ishmael, the two sons of Abraham, and he promised that they would frequently not get along.

Now, think about that ONE FACT for a moment. It’s right in the Bible. Sure, if you read the Bible wrong (as the Jews do), you can see it says “My covenant is with Isaac”. Yes, it does. But remember, as the oldest Son, the covenants of the Father were automatically with Ishmael, and God said NOTHING to take that away. Rather, he said, unusually, that his covenant was with Isaac, the younger son, TOO. And THIS joint promise meant what God said about Isaac’s and Ishmael’s tents being against each other, and Ishmael’s hand against Isaac, and all of the last few thousand years of troubles that will never go away. THAT is PRECISELY what God promised in the Bible.

And you’ll look through the rest of it in vain. You’ll find God raising his voice against residual Canaanites - again Moabites and Ammonites, but NOT against Ishmaelites. Why? Because they share in the Anrahamic covenant. And THAT is bloody inconvenient!

So, that’s the FORST thing I will note here. His didn’t give the land from the Wadi of Egypt to the Gret River to the Jews. He gave it to the sons of Abraham, to Isaac AND Ismael, to what would become the Arabs and the Jews. He said they would not get along. Almost 4000 years later, that’s just about everybody in the Promised Land -Jews and Arabs. They never got along. They still don’t. They never will. And neither will ever win. THAT is what God actually SAID to Abraham.

If you’re a Jew you don’t admit it: God gave the land to YOU! If you’re a ran you don’t admit it: No, he gave the land to YOU.

But if you read what God SAID - and stop trying to impose your own hopes of what he meant - he gave it to BOTH of you, promised you you’d fight. And you do, for nearly 4000 years and counting, EACTLY like he said in Genesis.

So if you, a Gentile, are taking one side or the other, you’re not reading what God SAID, you’re taking sides in a permanently ordained struggle, and you’re going to be disappointed. Because God never promised the land to the Jews alone. He promised it to Isaac AND Ishmael, to Jews AND Arabs, and he promised family bickering FOREVER, and THAT is precisely what you see, and always will.

That’s part one.

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