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Title: I Was Am-Bushed On MSNBC Over Iraq
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010 ... snbc-karl-rove-book-bush-lied/
Published: Mar 12, 2010
Author: Bradley Blakeman
Post Date: 2010-03-12 10:05:03 by Badeye
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I Was Am-Bushed On MSNBC Over Iraq By Bradley Blakeman - FOXNews.com
The left distorts the facts with regard to the lead up to the Iraq war to fit their conspiratorial theory.
I was invited on MSNBC the other day to discuss Karl Rove’s book with anchor Davis Shuster and journalist David Corn of Mother Jones magazine and the author of “The Lies of George W. Bush” only to be am-BUSHED with the worn allegation by the left that President Bush lied his way into war with Iraq.
The left is consumed with charges that somehow Bush and his “gang” were able to bamboozle Congress, the U.N., and everyone else on the planet with regard to why it was necessary to remove Saddam Hussein from power and bring him to justice. Both Shuster and Corn ganged up on me charging that Bush lied and would not let me get a word in edge wise. They interrupted and would not let me finish a thought. In a desperate attempt to “prove” he was right, Corn offered to bet me $1,000.00 that he could “prove” Bush lied. And, who was going to be the judge? Yep, you guessed it, David Shuster. Does that not sound like an impartial and “fair and balanced” wager? I think not.
All this in light of the fact that just last month, Vice President Joe Biden went on Larry King and bragged that “Iraq could be one of the greatest achievements of this administration.” This from a man who as a US Senator was against the war and the surge and sided with many Democrats who declared in 2003 that the “war was lost.”
The left distorts the facts with regard to the lead up to the Iraq war to fit their conspiratorial theories. However here are the facts:
*November 1997: Hussein ordered all American weapons inspectors in Iraq to leave in violation of UN Security Council Resolution. *December 1998: President Bill Clinton orders “Operation Desert Fox” a robust four day aerial bombing mission by US and UK Air Forces. This operation was in retaliation for Iraq’s failure to obey UN Security Council Resolutions and their obstruction of UN Weapons Inspections.
Clinton’s Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said the following about the attack:
"I don't think we're pretending that we can get everything, so this is - I think - we are being very honest about what our ability is. We are lessening, degrading his ability to use this. The weapons of mass destruction are the threat of the future. I think the president explained very clearly to the American people that this is the threat of the 21st century. [. . .] [W]hat it means is that we know we can't get everything, but degrading is the right word."
*1998-2002: Saddam Hussein allowed no UN weapons inspections. *September 2002: President Bush Addresses the UN General Assembly and sets forth a long list of complaints against the Iraqi government with regard to their continued threat to the region, our allies and the world including but not limited to:
1. Support of terrorist organizations that directs violence against its neighbors and the West; 2. UN Commission on Human Rights finding in 2001 that Iraq was engaged in “extremely grave” human rights violations; 3. The failure to let UN weapons inspectors conduct their work to insure and prevent Iraq is not pursuing WMD in violation of UN Resolutions; 4. They used proceeds from the UN “oil for food” program to purchase weapons rather than to feed its people. *October 2002: After extensive debate, the US Congress overwhelmingly passes a Resolution giving President Bush the power and authority to use military force to enforce UN Security Council Resolution.
Here are some comments made by prominent Democrats at that time:
DICK GEPHARDT: HOUSE DEM LEADER "The issue is how to best protect America. And I believe this resolution does that."
TOM DASCHLE: SENATE MAJ. LEADER "I believe it is important for America to speak with one voice," said Daschle, D-S.D. "It is neither a Democratic resolution nor a Republican resolution. It is now a statement of American resolve and values."
SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON In the closing hours of debate, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., said the decision to back the resolution was "the hardest decision I've ever had to make, but I cast it with conviction. I want this president, or any future president, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country, at the United Nations or at war."
*November 2002: The UN Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441. The Resolution stated that Iraq was in material breach of the terms of UN Resolution 687, which prevented Iraq from developing WMD as well as other prohibited arms, and the failure to compensate Kuwait for the looting that took place during the illegal 1991 invasion and occupation. The Resolution called for a new round on inspections and demanded that Iraq prove to the UN’s satisfaction that it has surrendered its WMD efforts will disarm as well as account for all weapons existing, destroyed and missing within 30 days of the Resolution being passed. Iraq refuses to comply with Resolution 1441. *March 6, 2003: In his March 6, 2003, report to the U.N. Security Council, Hans Blix reported that the declared stocks of anthrax and VX remained unaccounted for. In the last chance given to Iraq by Resolution 1441, Iraq had failed to provide answers. As Blix reported again in May 2003, "little progress was made in the solution of outstanding issues.... the long list of proscribed items unaccounted for and as such resulting in unresolved disarmament issues was not shortened either by the inspections or by Iraqi declarations and documentation." *March 20, 2003: The Iraq War begins.
Here is what former president Bill Clinton said on July 22, 2003 about the danger Iraq faced to the world: "When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions."
The fact that the U.S. never found WMD does not mean Saddam did not have it or that he did not desire the ability to amass it whenever he saw the need. Let us not forget that Hussein used WMD against his own people, killing thousands of Kurds.
Saddam Hussein was interrogated while detained in Iraq by FBI agent George Piro and this is what agent Piro had to said in an interview with Scott Pelley for “60 Minutes”:
"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.
"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.
"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.
Before his wars with America, Saddam had fought a ruinous eight-year war with Iran and it was Iran he still feared the most.
"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.
He told me he initially miscalculated President Bush and President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 under Operation Desert Fox. Which was a four-day aerial attack. So you expected that initially," Piro says.
Piro says Saddam expected some kind of an air campaign and that he could he survive that. "He survived that once. And then he was willing to accept that type of attack. That type of damage," he says.
"Saddam didn't believe that the United States would invade," Pelley remarks.
Bush did NOT lie. President Bush acted in the best interests of the United States. Was our intelligence faulty? Yes. Did that change the fact that Saddam should be removed? No.
The truth will never be accepted by those who refuse to accept it. However, I will continue to fight for the truth even if it means being “am-BUSHED” on MSNBC.
Bradley A. Blakeman served as deputy assistant to President George W. Bush from 2001-04. He is currently a professor of Politics and Public Policy at Georgetown University and a frequent contributor to the Fox Forum.
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"The global community -- in the form of the United Nations -- has declared repeatedly, through multiple resolutions, that the frightening prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam cannot come to pass. But the U.N. has been unable to enforce those resolutions. We must eliminate that threat now, before it is too late.But this isn't just a future threat. Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East.
As the attacks of September 11 demonstrated, the immense destructiveness of modern technology means we can no longer afford to wait around for a smoking gun. September 11 demonstrated that the fact that an attack on our homeland has not yet occurred cannot give us any false sense of security that one will not occur in the future. We no longer have that luxury.
September 11 changed America. It made us realize we must deal differently with the very real threat of terrorism, whether it comes from shadowy groups operating in the mountains of Afghanistan or in 70 other countries around the world, including our own.
There has been some debate over how "imminent" a threat Iraq poses. I do believe that Iraq poses an imminent threat, but I also believe that after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. It is in the nature of these weapons, and the way they are targeted against civilian populations, that documented capability and demonstrated intent may be the only warning we get. To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? We cannot!
The President has rightly called Saddam Hussein's efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction a grave and gathering threat to Americans. The global community has tried but failed to address that threat over the past decade. I have come to the inescapable conclusion that the threat posed to America by Saddam's weapons of mass destruction is so serious that despite the risks -- and we should not minimize the risks -- we must authorize the President to take the necessary steps to deal with that threat."
Senator John D. Rockefeller (Democrat, West Virginia) Also a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee Addressing the US Senate October 10, 2002
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#46. To: All (#45)
"Dear Mr. President:The events of September 11 have highlighted the vulnerability of the United States to determined terrorists. As we work to clean up Afghanistan and destroy al Qaeda, it is imperative that we plan to eliminate the threat from Iraq.
This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs.
The threat from Iraq is real, and it cannot be permanently contained. For as long as Saddam Hussein is in power in Baghdad, he will seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. We have no doubt that these deadly weapons are intended for use against the United States and its allies. Consequently, we believe we must directly confront Saddam, sooner rather than later.
Mr. President, all indications are that in the interest of our own national security, Saddam Hussein must be removed from power."
Sincerely,
Congressman Harold Ford (Democrat, Tennessee) Senator Bob Graham (Democrat, Florida) Congressman Tom Lantos (Democrat, California) Senator Joseph Lieberman (Democrat, Connecticut)
Senator Sam Brownback (Republican, Kansas) Senator Jesse Helms (Republican, North Carolina) Congressman Henry Hyde (Republican, Illinois) Senator Trent Lott (Republican, Mississippi) Senator John McCain (Republican, Arizona) Senator Richard Shelby (Republican, Alabama)
Letter to President Bush December 5, 2001
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#47. To: All (#46)
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts."Congressman Henry Waxman (Democrat, California) Addressing the US Congress October 10, 2002
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#48. To: All (#47)
"Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors; he will make war on his own people. And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them."President Clinton National Address from the Oval Office December 16, 1998
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#49. To: All (#48)
"Ten years after the Gulf War and Saddam is still there and still continues to stockpile weapons of mass destruction. Now there are suggestions he is working with al Qaeda, which means the very terrorists who attacked the United States last September may now have access to chemical and biological weapons."James P. Rubin, President Clinton's State Department spokesman In a PBS documentary titled "Saddam's Ultimate Solution" July 11, 2002
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#50. To: All (#49)
Full text of Resolution authorizing US military force against Iraq.
US Senators who voted YES to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq:
Allard, Wayne (R-CO) Allen, George (R-VA) Baucus, Max (D-MT) Bayh, Evan (D-IN) Bennett, Robert (R-UT) Biden, Joseph (D-DE) Bond, Christopher (R-MO) Breaux, John (D-LA) Brownback, Sam (R-KS) Bunning, Jim (R-KY) Burns, Conrad (R-MT) Campbell, Ben (R-CO) Cantwell, Maria (D-WA) Carnahan, Jean (D-MO) Carper, Thomas (D-DE) Cleland, Max (D-GA) Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) Cochran, Thad (R-MS) Collins, Susan (R-ME) Craig, Larry (R-ID) Crapo, Michael (R-ID) Daschle, Tom (D-SD) DeWine, Mike (R-OH) Dodd, Christopher (D-CT) Domenici, Pete (R-NM) Dorgan, Byron (D-ND) Edwards, John (D-NC) Ensign, John (R-NV) Enzi, Michael (R-WY) Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA) Fitzgerald, Peter (R-IL) Frist, Bill (R-TN) Gramm, Phil (R-TX) Grassley, Chuck (R-IA) Gregg, Judd (R-NH) Hagel, Chuck (R-NE) Harkin, Tom (D-IA) Hatch, Orrin (R-UT) Helms, Jesse (R-NC) Hollings, Ernest (D-SC) Hutchinson, Tim (R-AR) Hutchison, Kay (R-TX) Inhofe, James (R-OK) Johnson, Tim (D-SD) Kerry, John (D-MA) Kohl, Herb (D-WI) Kyl, Jon (R-AZ) Landrieu, Mary (D-LA) Lieberman, Joseph (D-CT) Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Lott, Trent (R-MS) Lugar, Richard (R-IN) McCain, John (R-AZ) McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Miller, Zell (D-GA) Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK) Nelson, Bill (D-FL) Nelson, Ben (D-NE) Nickles, Don (R-OK) Reid, Harry (D-NV) Roberts, Pat (R-KS) Rockefeller, John (D-WV) Santorum, Rick (R-PA) Schumer, Charles (D-NY) Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) Shelby, Richard (R-AL) Smith, Robert (R-NH) Smith, Gordon (R-OR) Snowe, Olympia (R-ME) Specter, Arlen (R-PA) Stevens, Ted (R-AK) Thomas, Craig (R-WY) Thompson, Fred (R-TN) Thurmond, Strom (R-SC) Torricelli, Robert (D-NJ) Voinovich, George (R-OH) Warner, John (R-VA)
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#51. To: All (#50)
US Congressional Representatives who voted YES to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq:Ackerman Aderholt Akin Andrews Armey Bachus Baker Ballenger Barcia Barr Bartlett Barton Bass Bentsen Bereuter Berkley Berman Berry Biggert Bilirakis Bishop Blagojevich Blunt Boehlert Boehner Bonilla Bono Boozman Borski Boswell Boucher Boyd Brady (TX) Brown (SC) Bryant Burr Burton Buyer Callahan Calvert Camp Cannon Cantor Capito Carson (OK) Castle Chabot Chambliss Clement Coble Collins Combest Cooksey Cox Cramer Crane Crenshaw Crowley Cubin Culberson Cunningham Davis (FL) Davis, Jo Ann Davis, Tom Deal DeLay DeMint Deutsch Diaz-Balart Dicks Dooley Doolittle Dreier Dunn Edwards Ehlers Ehrlich Emerson Engel English Etheridge Everett Ferguson Flake Fletcher Foley Forbes Ford Fossella Frelinghuysen Frost Gallegly Ganske Gekas Gephardt Gibbons Gilchrest Gillmor Gilman Goode Goodlatte Gordon Goss Graham Granger Graves Green (TX) Green (WI) Greenwood Grucci Gutknecht Hall (TX) Hansen Harman Hart Hastert Hastings (WA) Hayes Hayworth Hefley Herger Hill Hilleary Hobson Hoeffel Hoekstra Holden Horn Hoyer Hulshof Hunter Hyde Isakson Israel Issa Istook Jefferson Jenkins John Johnson (CT) Johnson (IL) Johnson, Sam Jones (NC) Kanjorski Keller Kelly Kennedy (MN) Kennedy (RI) Kerns Kind (WI) King (NY) Kingston Kirk Knollenberg Kolbe LaHood Lampson Lantos Latham LaTourette Lewis (CA) Lewis (KY) Linder LoBiondo Lowey Lucas (KY) Lucas (OK) Luther Lynch Maloney (NY) Manzullo Markey Mascara Matheson McCarthy (NY) McCrery McHugh McInnis McIntyre McKeon McNulty Meehan Mica Miller, Dan Miller, Gary Miller, Jeff Moore Moran (KS) Murtha Myrick Nethercutt Ney Northup Norwood Nussle Osborne Ose Otter Oxley Pascrell Pence Peterson (MN) Peterson (PA) Petri Phelps Pickering Pitts Platts Pombo Pomeroy Portman Pryce (OH) Putnam Quinn Radanovich Ramstad Regula Rehberg Reynolds Riley Roemer Rogers (KY) Rogers (MI) Rohrabacher Ros-Lehtinen Ross Rothman Royce Ryan (WI) Ryun (KS) Sandlin Saxton Schaffer Schiff Schrock Sensenbrenner Sessions Shadegg Shaw Shays Sherman Sherwood Shimkus Shows Shuster Simmons Simpson Skeen Skelton Smith (MI) Smith (NJ) Smith (TX) Smith (WA) Souder Spratt Stearns Stenholm Sullivan Sununu Sweeney Tancredo Tanner Tauscher Tauzin Taylor (MS) Taylor (NC) Terry Thomas Thornberry Thune Thurman Tiahrt Tiberi Toomey Turner Upton Vitter Walden Walsh Wamp Watkins (OK) Watts (OK) Waxman Weiner Weldon (FL) Weldon (PA) Weller Wexler Whitfield Wicker Wilson (NM) Wilson (SC) Wolf Wynn Young (AK) Young (FL
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#52. To: All (#51)
US State Department November 4, 1998Bin Laden, Atef Indicted in U.S. Federal Court for African Bombings
New York -- Usama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef were indicted November 4 in Manhattan federal court for the August 7 bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and for conspiring to kill Americans outside the United States.
Bin Laden's "al Qaeda" organization functioned both on its own and through other terrorist organizations, including the Al Jihad group based in Egypt, the Islamic Group also known as el Gamaa Islamia led at one time by Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and a number of other jihad groups in countries such as Sudan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Somalia.
Bin Laden, the US Attorney charged, engaged in business transactions on behalf of Al Qaeda, including purchasing warehouses for storage of explosives, transporting weapons, and establishing a series of companies in Sudan to provide income to al Qaeda and as a cover for the procurement of explosives, weapons, and chemicals, and for the travel of operatives.
According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.
"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.
Beginning in 1992, bin Laden allegedly issued through his "fatwah" committees a series of escalating "fatwahs" against the United States, certain military personnel, and, eventually in February 1998, a "fatwah" stating that Muslims should kill Americans -- including civilians -- anywhere in the world they can be found.
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#53. To: All (#52)
RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office -- issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy -- uh, changing our policy toward Uzbekistan. And in January 2001, the incoming Bush administration was briefed on the existing strategy. They were also briefed on these series of issues that had not been decided on in a couple of years.
And the third point is the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January, to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy, including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've now made public to some extent.
And the point is, while this big review was going on, there were still in effect, the lethal findings were still in effect. The second thing the administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and get them decided.
So, point five, that process which was initiated in the first week in February, uh, decided in principle, uh in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy and to increase CIA resources, for example, for covert action, five-fold, to go after Al Qaeda.
The sixth point, the newly-appointed deputies -- and you had to remember, the deputies didn't get into office until late March, early April. The deputies then tasked the development of the implementation details, uh, of these new decisions that they were endorsing, and sending out to the principals.
Over the course of the summer -- last point -- they developed implementation details, the principals met at the end of the summer, approved them in their first meeting, changed the strategy by authorizing the increase in funding five-fold, changing the policy on Pakistan, changing the policy on Uzbekistan, changing the policy on the Northern Alliance assistance.
And then changed the strategy from one of rollback with Al Qaeda over the course of five years, which it had been, to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of Al Qaeda. That is in fact the timeline.
QUESTION: What is your response to the suggestion in the [Aug 12, 2002] Time [magazine] article that the Bush administration was unwilling to take on board the suggestions made in the Clinton administration because of animus against the -- general animus against the foreign policy?
CLARKE: I think if there was a general animus that clouded their vision, they might not have kept the same guy dealing with terrorism issue. This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place. That doesn't sound like animus against, uh, the previous team to me.
JIM ANGLE: You're saying that the Bush administration did not stop anything that the Clinton administration was doing while it was making these decisions, and by the end of the summer had increased money for covert action five-fold. Is that correct?
CLARKE: All of that's correct.
ANGLE: So, just to finish up if we could then, so what you're saying is that there was no -- one, there was no plan; two, there was no delay; and that actually the first changes since October of '98 were made in the spring months just after the administration came into office?
CLARKE: You got it. That's right.
Richard A. Clarke Former chief counter-terrorism adviser August, 2002
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#54. To: Fred Mertz (#14)
Thanks for the tip, Fred.
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#55. To: Badeye (#48)
And the same old two party liars' contest is being played out again...... this time for IRAN. Now that we have it essentially surrounded.
#56. To: mininggold (#55)
Okay...I'll play. What the fuck are you mumbling about now?
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#57. To: Badeye (#56) (Edited)
Okay...I'll play. What the fuck are you mumbling about now?
English isn't your primary language is it?
#58. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#10)
Thanks for the Ping. Remember that the next time you lecture me about honor.
I was never for any action against Saddam. Ever. I thought that he did us a favor by invading Kuwait = and even though Poppy was probably lying about it - threatening Saudi Arabia. I never believed Clinton when he saber rattled. I spoke out forcefully against the Ramadan bombings on stolybreath.com.
If I'm sitting in the Oval AM 9/11 Mecca is gone by sundown. Tora Bora too. And our nuke arsenal is down a few by midnight.
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#59. To: Boofer (#53)
Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office -- issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy -- uh, changing our policy toward Uzbekistan.
And in January 2001, the incoming Bush administration was briefed on the existing strategy. They were also briefed on these series of issues that had not been decided on in a couple of years.
And the third point is the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January, to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy...
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Great Boof...there was no existing plan until 1998 and then there was one but then there wasn't one but they followed it...got it...
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#60. To: Badeye (#11) (Edited)
Anything to distract from the facts noted above. Thats the only tactic being employed here.
Got gullible? lolol
Your insistence on me being apparently as gullible as you is insulting. As insulting as domer being over here posting to himself.
Your actions seem to counteract the content of many of your posts. Why is that?
#61. To: mininggold (#60)
Okay...I'll play. What the fuck are you mumbling about now?
Let me know when your going to answer.
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#62. To: Badeye (#61) (Edited)
Let me know when your going to answer.
Okay I'll make it simple for you as apparently you are in need of an ESL course.
IRAN: a country in the Middle East. Iraq is located on one side and Afghanistan is located on the other. What do they have in common? What spiel is coming out of Fox news and other news sources 24/7? Hint McCain did a parody with the song Barbara Ann.
#63. To: war, Badeye (#58)
Thanks for the Ping. Remember that the next time you lecture me about honor.
If you need to learn honor from an internet political forum, then you're in worse shape than I thought.
For the most part, I've quit posting here. It's become a combination echo-chamber and war/Badeye melodrama.
The exception was the post I saw, and I commented positively to the poster who wrote it.
Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#64. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)
For the most part, I've quit posting here. It's become a combination echo-chamber and war/Badeye melodrama.
Awww another poster with the "boring" talking point. "Let us entertaaaaain you, and you'll have a really good time"!
I think I'll post Ron Paul links to you from now on so you can learn what being a constitutional statesman is all about.
#65. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63) (Edited)
If you need to learn honor from an internet political forum, then you're in worse shape than I thought.
Oh I get it...as long as you're the one lecturing it's okay. And don't bring Boofer into this. I was posting here well before he brought his perpetual victim hood here simply to disrupt and you were nowhere to be found.
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#66. To: mininggold (#62)
Figured it was going to be more kook theory. Appreciate you confirming it.
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#67. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)
No echo coming from me. I ignore my anti groupie. You should to.
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#68. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)
Do not bother the honorable Obama believer war as he has demonstrated his undying love and affection for the savior.
He, too, is deserving of the Larry Sinclair medal of freedom.
#69. To: Badeye (#67)
You should to.
(laughing)
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#70. To: Badeye (#0)
*November 1997: Hussein ordered all American weapons inspectors in Iraq to leave in violation of UN Security Council Resolution.
That's a lie. Richard Butler ordered inspectors to leave Iraq after President Clinton ordered air strikes against Iraqi targets.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
#71. To: obama is my overlord (#68) (Edited)
Fuck you domer...enjoy the bozo...
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#72. To: go65 (#70)
(laughing)
It doesn't even occur to you how ridiculous you look, coming from 'lied about WMDS! lied about WMDS!' to this, does it?
Bush made a lot of mistakes. But he didn't lie.
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#73. To: Badeye (#67)
I ignore my anti groupie. (laughing)
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#74. To: Badeye (#72)
Bush made a lot of mistakes. But he didn't lie.
Of course he did, you asshole. He's a politician.
So why do you bother soiling this site with your vacuous and inane commentary? ... yukon haha lots of laughing out loud
#75. To: Badeye (#72)
What a Difference Four Years Makes
Why U.N. inspectors left Iraq--then and now
AKA Dualing Neocons
"The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them."
-- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98
"To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago."
--John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02
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"The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning"
--Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98
"As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N. weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago."
--Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02
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"The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on its promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes."
--AP, 12/16/98
"Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998."
--AP, 9/7/02
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"Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq."
--Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98
"It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons."
--Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02
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"The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from chief weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and Britain repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes."
--Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98
"If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them."
--Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02
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"This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a predawn evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain."
--Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98
"What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been several years since those inspectors were kicked out."
--John King, CNN, 8/18/02
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"Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking permission from the Security Council."
--USA Today, 12/17/98
"Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies."
--USA Today, 9/4/02
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"But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh."
--New York Times, 12/18/98
"America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled United Nations arms inspectors four years ago."
--New York Times editorial, 8/3/02
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"Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report."
--Washington Post, 12/18/98
"Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons."
--Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02
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"Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction."
-- Newsday, 12/17/98
"The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous."
--Newsday editorial, 8/14/02
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#76. To: All (#73)
Boofer has a different definition of lying...he calls it "Lifestyle"....
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#77. To: go65 (#75)
Forgot to ping you to 75...
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#78. To: Badeye (#72)
Bush made a lot of mistakes. But he didn't lie.
People have said that about Clinton too.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
#79. To: Badeye (#66)
Figured it was going to be more kook theory. Appreciate you confirming it.
You mean you haven't heard anyone in the media mentioning invading Iran.... nonstop 24/7? LOLOL
Must be due to English being your second or maybe third language.
#80. To: go65 (#78)
Yes, but Clinton ADMITTED lying.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
#81. To: mininggold (#79)
Nope. Then again I don't pay attention to what kooks like you consider 'media'.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
#82. To: mininggold (#79)
NEW YORK — Americans think Iran is the country that poses the greatest immediate danger to the United States today, taking over the number one spot from North Korea. A FOX News poll released Thursday shows the public is concerned about Iran attacking the United States with nuclear weapons, and even more concerned about Iran supplying nukes to terrorists.
If Iran were to obtain nuclear weapons, an overwhelming 91 percent of Americans say they are concerned it would sell them to terrorists, including 68 percent that say they are very concerned.
In addition, eight in 10 Americans are concerned Iran would use nukes to attack a neighboring country (54 percent very concerned), and 73 percent are concerned it would attack the United States (47 percent very concerned).
Iran tops the list when respondents are asked to say which country — without being read a list — poses the greatest immediate danger to the United States. Today a 28 percent plurality says Iran, up from 18 percent a year ago. North Korea, which was first on last year’s list, comes in second this time around at 17 percent, down from 26 percent (January 2005). Iraq (16 percent) and China (14 percent) are other common mentions.
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The rare occasions I listen to something in Faux News, it usually takes only 20- 30 seconds before "Iran" and "war" get menetioned. A quick google of "Fox News Iran Threat" gets a zillion hits.
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#83. To: Badeye (#80)
Yes, but Clinton ADMITTED lying.
That's true, and Bush hasn't.
Who do you respect more, someone who lied and makes excuses, or someone who lied and came clean?
Here's another example of bald faced lies from Bush:
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You remember when {Secretary of State} Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on And we'll find more weapons as time goes on
--George W. Bush Press Briefing 5/30/2003
But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.
--George W. Bush Interview with TVP Poland 5/30/2003
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
#84. To: go65 (#83)
The one that didn't get impeached, and sorry, Bush didn't lie, you just hate the fact the mantra 'Bush lied, people died' has been utterly eviscerated by DEMOCRATS on the record remarks about WMD's in Iraq.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
#85. To: Badeye, go65 (#84)
Boy Blunder didn't lie
Didn't you just post two?
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