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Title: CPAC thread
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Published: Feb 18, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-02-18 17:49:55 by go65
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Views: 24894
Comments: 70

CPAC is in full swing, a few highlights so far:

- speakers reading jokes off teleprompters that make fun of Obama's use of a teleprompter

- Mitt Romney pretending he's a conservative

- Scott Brown pretending he's a conservative

- Attendees praising the service they are getting from unionized staff

- And then there's this (NSFW) http://alturl.com/bix8

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#10. To: go65, war, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz (#0)

You people may be correct in directing criticism toward this organization. The people on the so-called right who want smaller government and a return to the Constitution are being marginalized and co-opted right before our eyes. CPAC is just one vehicle to do it.

What's left of the fledgling Tea Party movement in '10 and '12 will either find itself in the republican party or completely discredited by our so-called friends in right-wing media and talk radio.

So - you can fault some on the movement for their political naivete - but why do you continue to impugn their motives?

I may be the "Fool On The Hill" - but you clowns who support the Obamas, Pelosis and Reids of the world are the real fools.

The Fool On The Hill  posted on  2010-02-19   10:55:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: The Fool On The Hill (#10) (Edited)

You people may be correct in directing criticism toward this organization. The people on the so-called right who want smaller government and a return to the Constitution are being marginalized and co-opted right before our eyes. CPAC is just one vehicle to do it.

Their so called purpose seems a little disingenuous as none of them seemed to care when the GOP was the one doing the robbing of freedoms. Also at least the tea partyers I have talked too are pretty gung ho on the ME wars. Wars neither officially declared nor directly dealing with 14 Saudi planejackers and their supposed Saudi Arabian family dynasty boss.

mininggold  posted on  2010-02-19   11:33:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#14)

The so called purpose seems a little disingenuous as none of them seemed to care when the GOP was the one doing the robbing of freedoms.
None of them? That seems a little broad. Bush's record low approval ratings and the fact the GOP lost Congress in '06 would seem to belie that "fact."
Also at least the tea partyers I have talked too are pretty gung ho on the ME wars. Wars neither officially declared nor directly dealing with 14 Saudi planejackers and their supposed Saudi Arabian family dynasty boss.
THIS particular tea-partyier was against going into Iraq, but I can't speak for others. I suspect opinions run the spectrum.

Sadly, getting mired in foreign quagmires is not only a GOP/right wing thing. See LBJ/Vietnam or Clinton/Kosovo.

And how's that Zero getting us out of Iraq thing going?

The Fool On The Hill  posted on  2010-02-19   11:42:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: The Fool On The Hill (#15)

.....fact the GOP lost Congress in '06 would seem to belie that "fact."

THIS particular tea-partyier was against going into Iraq, but I can't speak for others. I suspect opinions run the spectrum.

Sadly, getting mired in foreign quagmires is not only a GOP/right wing thing. See LBJ/Vietnam or Clinton/Kosovo.

You really think they went out and voted Democrat? lolol

We are not in Vietnam and Kosovo was a minor skirmish compare to the current two major war fronts.

He's following the Bush/neocon war line to a T as he was meant to.

mininggold  posted on  2010-02-19   11:46:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mininggold (#16)

....fact the GOP lost Congress in '06 would seem to belie that "fact."

You really think they went out and voted Democrat? lolol

Well SOMEBODY did . . . didn't they?

It's not rocket science. You said "no one criticized Bush and the GOP when blah blah blah blah."

I pointed out to you that you were in error, because the criticism took the form of Bush's record low approval ratings and the GOP losing Congress.

All it takes is - the hardcore base staying home, the "independents" breaking to the Demwits, and the demwit base turning out.

The Fool On The Hill  posted on  2010-02-19   11:54:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: The Fool On The Hill (#17)

the criticism took the form of Bush's record low approval ratings and the GOP losing Congres

And this tends to happen during the terms of most two term pres's of either party. Bush was luckier in that it occured during his second term. Which probably would be construed by you as him being actually quite popular.

mininggold  posted on  2010-02-19   12:09:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#20)

Bush was luckier in that it occured during his second term. Which probably would be construed by you as him being actually quite popular.

I cannot prove this, of course, but my opinion is that Bush's popularity was skewed by 9/11. The GOPs gains in the '02 elections were certainly affected.

I believe if it hadn't been for 9/11, Bush would have been a one-termer.

The Fool On The Hill  posted on  2010-02-19   12:16:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: The Fool On The Hill (#23)

I believe if it hadn't been for 9/11, Bush would have been a one-termer.

So do I.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-02-19   12:36:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#28)

I believe if it hadn't been for 9/11, Bush would have been a one-termer.

So do I.

I don't think it was entirely due to 911 but with the two subsequent wars and the need in the public's mind to maintain a continuum. I believe even without 911 we would have found a reason to invade (at least) Iraq.

mininggold  posted on  2010-02-19   12:43:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mininggold (#30)

I believe even without 911 we would have found a reason to invade (at least) Iraq.

Considering the number of neocons pushing for it surrounding Bush, I think you're correct.

Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz

lucysmom  posted on  2010-02-19   13:30:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#41)

Re-Invading Iraq was preordained when he was left in power in the wake of the Gulf War. It was a serious error in judgement made by Cold Warriors trained to believe in 'containment' which was as we all know today a viable and winning strategy throughout the Cold War.

The problem was Bush 41's advisors were fighting the proverbial 'last war'. While it produced a stunning 100 hour victory over what was then the 4th largest army in the world...it caused a horrific 'end game' that allowed Saddam and Son's to not just remain in power, but to use helicopters to slaughter many ethnic groups within Iraq, not just the Kurds.

JMHO.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-19   13:38:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Badeye (#44)

While it produced a stunning 100 hour victory over what was then the 4th largest army in the world...it caused a horrific 'end game' that allowed Saddam and Son's to not just remain in power, but to use helicopters to slaughter many ethnic groups within Iraq, not just the Kurds.

Whether wise or not, the narrow, stated purpose was to liberate Kuwait, not invade Iraq.

As for the "horrific end game", slaughter and the suffering of the Iraqi people was a-ok when Saddam was warring with Iran and Reagan gifted him with a pair of gold spurs (oh why do they hate us).

lucysmom  posted on  2010-02-19   13:51:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lucysmom (#49)

Thank you captain obvious...(eyes rolling) to the first assertion.

The second is just a flat out lie. Nobody was 'a okay' with it.

Third, the Iraqi people don't 'hate us'.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-19   14:04:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Badeye (#55)

The second is just a flat out lie. Nobody was 'a okay' with it.

Odd, we would pursue a war by proxy, allying ourselves with a dictator while no one was okay with it. What a strange people we are.

Third, the Iraqi people don't 'hate us'.

Yes, that's why they greeted us with hugs, kisses and flowers.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-02-19   14:14:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#57)

What you originally said was a lie. Now you try to change the meaning of what you posted, after being called on it.

The average Iraqi did in fact greet us as liberators.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-19   14:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Badeye (#58)

The average Iraqi did in fact greet us as liberators.

Afuckingmazing...

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