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Title: An Evangelical Battle of the Generations: To Embrace Trump or Not?
Source: Politico
URL Source: https://www.politico.com/news/magaz ... ry-falwell-donald-trump-491319
Published: Jun 1, 2021
Author: MAGGIE SEVERNS
Post Date: 2021-06-02 07:06:13 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 3023
Comments: 35

As Liberty University plots its post-Falwell future, young people want to steer clear of politics. The trustees aren’t buying it.

For years, there was an adage around Liberty University that if God split Jerry Falwell in half, you would have his sons Jerry and Jonathan.

Jerry Jr. inherited his father’s desire to be a force in American politics, and his post as Liberty University president, while Jonathan inherited his father’s gift for evangelical uplift and became pastor of his church.

Now, 14 years after Jerry Falwell Sr. died and nine months after Jerry Jr. was ousted in a scandal, Liberty is enmeshed in a debate that could have profound implications for the nation’s religious right: Whether it should keep nurturing Jerry Jr.’s focus on politics and maintain its high-flying role in the Republican Party, or begin to change its culture and back away from politics, an approach increasingly favored by younger evangelicals.

As part of their discussions, the Liberty trustees are considering naming Jonathan Falwell as the university’s chancellor—an important and highly symbolic post—in order to maintain the Falwell family connection but not their political baggage, according to people familiar with the deliberations.

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

Jonathan is telegenic and preaches at a quick clip, sometimes dressed in a chic plaid blazer or, as during a speech last fall at Liberty, while wearing black sneakers that appeared to be Allbirds, the favorite shoes of employees at Silicon Valley startups.

Allbirds?

...I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked...

There's your problem right there...

Ernest knows. The Church is spewed (vomited) out.

And the enemies of Christ are gloating.

watchman  posted on  2021-06-03   6:18:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: watchman, and Everyone (#1)

Allbirds?

Allbirds are really comfortable shoes that everyone in Silicon Valley is wearing. People with Allbirds tend to be techy, and are always flying drones and filming technology related reviews on YouTube. When someone wears Allbirds, people comment saying, "Dude are those Allbirds?" and they respond, "Yeah, they're so comfortable" or something like that. When you wear Allbirds, it feels like your wearing a slipper and walking on clouds. Everyone now seems to have them, and they are becoming very popular. My advice, buy a pair.

...I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked...

You are quoting Revelation 3:16 and then you say:

There's your problem right there...

For that to be “your” problem, we must first understand what is meant by: …

… Because You Are Lukewarm I Spit You Out

This verse says that if you are not fully committed to following God, you are not a Christian and God will reject you.

The verse is part of the first of four visions John the Apostle will reveal in the Book of Revelations. In this vision, John saw the risen Jesus standing among seven burning lights, representing the seven churches in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey) in the first century: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. Jesus tells John to deliver letters to the seven churches to encourage the churches to be faithful.

This verse is part of the seventh letter, delivered to the church in Laodicea, which was the most corrupt. The people of the church in Laodicea were indifferent about whether they became better people or not because they had all they needed and wanted to be fulfilled on earth. Because of the plentiful lives they lived, the Laodiceans did not see or appreciate the importance of the poverty of their spirit.

Jesus warns that He will reject those who are neutral between whether they follow God or a false god, and that there is more hope for an open enemy of God.

Breaking Down the Key Parts of Revelation 3:16

#1 “So, because you are lukewarm…”
Jesus was addressing this message to the church, ministers, and people, telling them that there would be more hope for a heathen than for someone who doesn’t choose whether or not to follow God. He wants people to decide whether they are with God or against God, and says that there is no excuse for being indifferent. If God is real, it is the most excellent thing. If He is not, then believing in Him is vile. We have enough information, and we should care enough for the health of our souls, to decide between the two.

#2 “…neither hot nor cold…”
“Hot” refers to people that follow God. “Cold” refers to those that reject God (atheists).

#3 “…I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”
The use of “lukewarm” and “spit you out” in this verse invokes imagery of lukewarm water turning one’s stomach and provoking vomit. Jesus is saying that lukewarm people make Him sick. By spitting those people out of His mouth, Jesus is rejecting those who do not decide whether to follow Him or reject Him.

There's your problem right there. – You say.

By quoting Revelation 3:16 and applying it here Jonathan Falwell – Are you then saying that since …

This verse says that if you are not fully committed to following God, you are not a Christian and God will reject you.

… that Jonathan is “not a Christian?”

If so – Then how so?

If not – then exactly what are you trying to say?

Please use you own words …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-06-04   5:32:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#3)

You've gotten hold of some poor exegesis.

The commentary at the link you provided is written by a Laodicean...so he naturally misdiagnosed himself and the rest of the Laodicean church.

The correct interpretation: the Laodicean Church is overcome with DELUSION. Read it again. Lukewarm is just the symptom...delusion is the problem.

Jesus, the Great Physician, diagnosed their illness when He said, "Because thou sayest, I am rich..."

Do you not see, Gatlin? The Laodiceans THINK they are rich...when in reality they are extremely poor.

I've used this analogy before. Imagine a beggar approaching you on the street. He's nekkid as a jaybird. But oddly, he's shouting that he's the richest man in town, and that you should admire his fine clothing. What would be your reaction? You'd immediately consider him DELUSIONAL...because he is.

But, being vomited out is not about being lost or saved...it's about losing the intimacy that the church has with Jesus Christ.

The Laodicean church caused a patient Savior to finally reach a point where He could no longer stomach them. So He spewed them out.

But we have not lost our salvation. Christ still maintains intimacy with us...albeit one-on-one.

Notice that intimacy continue here in the following verses:

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Jesus is knocking on the door of the church! Those who are fed up with the delusion will be the ones who hear Him knock, and He will come in to their presence and sup with them.

All Christians (myself included) at this present time are spewed out , as evidenced by the condition of the church.

Some of us are fortunate enough as to come out of the delusion, but it is still painful to be without the sweet fellowship of the church.

So, if Jonathan was a Christian before...he is a Christian now.

These are my own words. I have told you exactly what the Scripture says.

watchman  posted on  2021-06-04   6:40:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: watchman, and Everyone (#4)

You've gotten hold of some poor exegesis.

That’s entirely possible.

The commentary at the link you provided is written by a Laodicean.

And that is only your personal opinion.

But this thread is not a discussion on someone is the link’s critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.

This article is quite the piece on the decisions facing Liberty University over the coming weeks and months.

Why do these disputes about Liberty University's future matter?

Because: So goes Liberty, so goes the evangelical world.

It is a massively influential institution among white evangelicals, who make up about one in four voters in the US.

Jonathan is conservative, but did not support Trump like his brother. His supporters hope he'd help steer Liberty - and evangelical Christians - in a new direction.

Evangelicals across the country are facing a generational divide as young people leave the church, saying they’re turned off by its politics.

This leaves Liberty University with a sticky question: should it soften its support for Trump?

And this is what the article is about – and what I am interested in.

However, I do thank you – anyway – for your comments and opinion on someone your perceive as a Laodicean.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-06-04   9:21:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#5)

Falwell: Liberty University lawsuit
is excuse to shame him

By Associated Press – June 4, 2021

Falwell claims in a court filing that much of Liberty’s suit serves only to keep shaming him after a provocative photo of him came to light and revelations surfaced of his wife’s extramarital affair, The News & Advance in Lynchburg reported Thursday.

Falwell claims the suit focuses on his wife’s personal life while not addressing his “actions as the leader of Liberty.”

“The rehashing of these events and protected defamation of Falwell through litigation serves one mission — ruining Falwell’s reputation through mischaracterization of events and public shaming through out-of- context pictures filed in a public complaint,” according to Tuesday’s filing in Lynchburg Circuit Court.

Falwell’s departure in August came after a news outlet published an interview with a man who said he had a years-long sexual relationship with Becki Falwell and that Jerry Falwell participated in some of the liaisons as a voyeur. Falwell denied the report.

Story continues here

Gatlin  posted on  2021-06-04   18:40:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: watchman, and everyone (#6)

Struggle at Liberty University: politics or purity

by Michael Sean Winters – Jun 2, 2021

Maggie Severns, at Politico, penned an excellent essay looking at the struggle going on at Liberty University, the evangelical school founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell. At issue is whether the school will continue along the hyper-politicized iteration of evangelical higher education, associated closely with Donald Trump and pursued by its now disgraced former chancellor, Jerry Falwell Jr., or aim for an educational culture focused more on the evangelical faith that inspired its founding. The personification of the more strictly religious, less political route is Jonathan Falwell, who has served as pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church since his father's death.

The human drama at work in the tale — Jerry Jr.'s sordid sex drive leading to blackmail allegations involving a pool boy having sex with Jerry's wife — is almost Shakespearean, but in a vulgar sort of way, combining pathos and bathos in equal parts. We now know why Jerry Jr. was not offended by Trump's obscene remarks about women in the "Access Hollywood" tapes! But the difference in style between the two brothers reflects a tension present in their father's decision to begin a Christian college all the way back in 1971.

Story continues here

Gatlin  posted on  2021-06-04   18:46:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: watchman, and Everyone (#7)

Liberty University in turmoil as students revolt
against continuing relationship with Trump: report

By Tom Boggioni – June 01, 2021

According to a report from Politico, Liberty University is becoming ground zero in the fight among a segment of evangelical Christians who want to distance themselves from former president Donald Trump and those who want to mix his style of pugnacious conservatism with Christianity.

While Trump-supporting Jerry Falwell Jr. has been ousted by the university following a sex scandal involving a former pool attendant and Falwell's wife, some trustees at the school are still in the Trump camp and that has some school administrators and students up in arms.

Writing, "Now, 14 years after Jerry Falwell Sr. died and nine months after Jerry Jr. was ousted in a scandal, Liberty is enmeshed in a debate that could have profound implications for the nation's religious right," Politico's Maggie Severns added, "Liberty's ultimate path will influence the greater evangelical world, which is having its own reckoning with the post-Trump Republican Party. With more than 100,000 students, Liberty has long been one of a small handful of top cultural institutions for evangelicals, its board studded with famed pastors and movement leaders. Observers believe that even a small change in direction at Liberty could signal shifting winds among one of Republicans' most important voting blocs."

While the university trustees are considering handing over the reins to another Falwell, Jonathan, who doesn't have the close ties to the one- term president, some trustees are still Trump's corner.

Story continues here ...

Gatlin  posted on  2021-06-04   18:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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