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Title: Propaganda and Islam: What You’re Not Being Told
Source: The Mind Unleashed
URL Source: https://themindunleashed.com/2020/01/islam-propaganda.html
Published: Jun 10, 2014
Author: Justin King
Post Date: 2020-01-10 19:56:12 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 394
Comments: 47

(AM Op-Ed) — Propaganda is the wheel by which the government steers the bus of a nation; typically driving it into war or off the cliff of humanity. It is amazing to see how many people who are otherwise rational human beings will blindly follow the herd on the matter of how subhuman a perceived national enemy is.

Some western media wonderfully paints Islam as a death cult bent on world domination.

Over and over again the American populace is shown footage of the atrocities committed by fanatics or of Arab men burning American flags. The problem, of course, is that this isn’t remotely representative of the Islamic population of the world. Are there Muslims who employ terrorism? Of course. Are there Christians who employ terrorism? Of course. There are even Buddhists who employ terrorism.

Some general facts about Islam might help break the noose of wartime propaganda that rests around America’s neck.

Below are a list of statements this journalist has seen on social media, followed by the data to put that statement in perspective.

“All [or most] Muslims are terrorists.”

There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.

The much hyped ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) organization—which was described as the “richest terrorist group in the world”—could only field between 7,000 and 15,000 troops in its battle to create a fundamentalist homeland. Even taking the highest estimate of their troop strength means that fewer than 1 out of every 106,000 Muslims from all over the world were actually willing to take up arms and fight for the fundamentalist dream. The Iraqi army, however, can field 250,000 soldiers to fight against that fundamentalist vision. That figure does not include irregular forces allied to the Iraqi army.

The premise that all Muslims are terrorists falls flat by a mere study of the numbers. It isn’t a majority of Muslims. It isn’t even 1% of Muslims.

“Muslims want Sharia law.”

While many Muslims believe in Sharia law, what is considered Sharia law is not universal.

In Lebanon, which has been considered a hotbed of Islamic terrorism ever since the bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut, 38% of Muslims don’t even believe it is the Word of God. Among those that do believe it to be the direct Word of God, only 29% believe in making it the legal system for the country, and a majority of Lebanese Muslims don’t believe Sharia law should apply to non-Muslims. Even among those that believe whole-heartedly in Sharia law, they don’t necessarily believe in some of the more violent aspects. The crime of adultery is punishable by stoning under some forms of Sharia law. Some quick and simple math shows that in Lebanon, less than 3% of Muslims believe that punishment should be applied to the population at large. Meanwhile in America’s heartland, a political candidate has advocated or silently endorsed the idea of stoning homosexuals. The vast majority of Muslims believe that Sharia law should be used to settle family or property disputes among Muslims.

Some countries have higher rates of belief in using Sharia law, and some have lower. Lebanon was chosen because it falls in the middle as far as averages go.

“They beat their women.”

First, the very phase “their women” suggests that the individual might fall close to the more radical elements of Islam in regards to the belief that women are property. Yes, some Muslim men beat “their women.” In the United States 25% of women will be beaten by “their men” in their lifetime. This is not an Islamic issue, this is an issue rising from the idea that women are property and somehow belong to the men.

If this is justification for war, the United States might consider invading Belfast, where 60 cases of domestic violence are reported daily.

“They are stuck in the Stone Age, and they want to stay there.”

This statement marginalizes the thousands of Muslim men and women who sit in prison for attempting to change their government and those that died in the attempt. Political prisoners throughout the Arab world sit rotting away for attempting to bring about change in their nations. They are Muslims. Four Saudi Princesses were starved to death by the King for speaking out in favor of women’s rights. Countless journalists and bloggers sit behind bars for questioning their governments. The US government continually props up these brutal dictatorships with multi-million dollar arms deals and keeps the power in the hands of those that don’t want change.

“Muhammad was a pedophile and his wife was only 6 [or 7].”

Most historians agree that Aisha and Muhammad were married after she reached puberty. They place her age, on average, around 13 years old at the time of marriage, though she may have been betrothed to him much earlier. Americans need to keep in mind that while they might not have heard of Islam prior to September 11th, Muhammad lived in the early 600s A.D. It might surprise them to learn that marriage at such an early age was extremely common not only in the Arab world, but the Western world as well. King John of England married a 12-year-old around 1198. Romeo’s love, Juliet, was only 13.

No subset of people is more hated in the West than pedophiles. An attempt to cast the founder of the perceived enemy as a pedophile would certainly benefit the war effort.

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“Muslims take child brides and rape children.”

Does it occur in the Muslim world? Sure. It occurs in the United States as well, typically deep in America’s heartland. The Catholic Church is well-known for its abuse of the youth. Again this is a worldwide issue, not an Islamic one.

There is not a single Middle Eastern country listed among the top 20 nations with a high prevalence of child brides.

Conclusion:

Most of the information that is spread via social media is simply not accurate.

It only serves to plant the idea in the American psyche that somehow the United States must save the Muslims from themselves. The goal of this propaganda is to make Americans believe that Muslims are somehow lesser people. After all, it’s easier to condemn people to die in air strikes if they aren’t really human.

Before clicking the share or retweet button on an inflammatory article, try to determine if the information being presented is an accurate portrayal of the Muslim world, or if you are simply furthering the government’s march towards war.

The Islamic world is not without its problems. The struggle for equal rights for women and homosexuals continues to meet roadblock after roadblock on the streets of Amman, Damascus, Riyadh, and Tehran; however, if the United States seeks to use this as justification for intervention, maybe it should invade Mississippi or Arkansas.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Ok you want to defend Islam, we get it. You have not addressed the fact that Muslims have forced conversion for centuries and consider non muslims inferior to be taxed. Have you lived in a muslim country? any non muslim who has doesn't want to be there, they stay because they don't have the means to escape.

paraclete  posted on  2020-01-10   20:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: paraclete (#1) (Edited)

Ok you want to defend Islam, we get it.

I'm not defending terrorists.

I know plenty of Muslims, have worked with a few and they are decent people.

Only 1% of Muslims are terrorists.

Thanks for responding before Stone becomes outraged that I posted this and deletes it.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2020-01-10   20:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

They've had plenty of time, and examples, to get their mind right and civilize.
Still a brutal, bloodthirsty, medieval death cult that keeps its women in black garbage bags,
no matter their trappings of wealth from oil discovered and rendered valuable by others.
A now-deceased friend of mine was an internationally-known expert and advisor on Wahhabism;
there is something evil and wrong about far too many of them.

Fck 'em and the camels they rode in on.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2020-01-11   0:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hank Rearden (#3)

I'm guessing you don't know any muslims personally.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2020-01-11   0:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: paraclete (#1)

You have not addressed the fact that Muslims have forced conversion for centuries

Is it true that Muslims burn people on the stakes alive, for small deviations from the doctrine?

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-11   1:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A Pole (#5)

Is it true that Muslims burn people on the stakes alive, for small deviations from the doctrine?

I thought that was a specialty of you Catholics.

Muslims certainly do kill cruelly and wantonly but they don't have a reputation for burning people at the stake in the way that Catholics do for burning their own Joan of Arc, or the auto-de-fe's of the Spanish Inquisition, or the burnings of millions of elderly mentally ill women as witches during the Middle Ages because they were accused of muttering to themselves or had a cat.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-11   3:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

I thought that was a specialty of you Catholics.

Yes, Catholics burned witches in New England, Calvin was also a notorious Catholic.

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-11   4:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#6)

The entirety of the Catholic religion, and Christianity holds the burning of witches as an evil act, and are ashamed of it. How many are ashamed of honor killings, FGM, or teaching that peace means absence or submission to Islam? The Mosques of the world are full of Imams teaching the doctrine of death to unbelievers. Christians of today are teaching that we deserve death for being so prosperous. Seriously now, Christian doctrine teaches love for your neighbor, but don't let him treat you like a second class citizen. Unless you get into the nitty gritty of scripture, Christianity is practically invisible in government. Islam is not, even in majority Christian nations.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2020-01-11   14:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jeremiad (#8)

The entirety of the Catholic religion, and Christianity holds the burning of witches as an evil act, and are ashamed of it.

Few centuries ago it was different. But Christians changed, so Muslims can too. Most of the later already changed.

In our times people kill for political, ideological and economic reasons, in bigger numbers.

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-11   17:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A Pole (#5)

Is it true that Muslims burn people on the stakes alive, for small deviations from the doctrine?

History is a wonderful mirror, and many races and religions have savage rituals but noone has persisted in the savagery into the twenty-first century as has the Muslim. Nor is this savagery confined to one country but can be found across the world, not burnings but beheadings since wood is a scarce commodity in the Muslim world.

So get real, the problem is a religion which has practiced this savagery for 1,400 years unabated

paraclete  posted on  2020-01-11   20:48:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A Pole (#7) (Edited)

Yes, Catholics burned witches in New England, Calvin was also a notorious Catholic.

The New England witch burnings were a tiny fraction compared to the vast death toll of the Inquisition over the centuries.

Calvin did not burn Servetus. Servetus was condemned by the town council and in accordance with local law and, incidentally, the laws of Catholic Europe. The Inquisition wanted to get their hands on him badly so they could burn Servetus first.

Don't bother to go running to Calvin. Both Catholics and Prots wanted him (Servetus) dead. Unfortunately, the separation of church and state had not been applied yet and almost all religious penalties carried severe secular punishments, up to and including execution.

Catholics and Prots did a lot to persecute each other in huge numbers. A lot of innocent people did die as a result.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-11   22:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#11) (Edited)

The New England witch burnings were a tiny fraction compared to the vast death toll of the Inquisition over the centuries.

Very "clever" response, you almost got me. You forgot though, that burnings by Protestant did not take place ONLY in New England.

Calvin did not burn Servetus. Servetus was condemned by the town council

Yes, town council were Muslims. And Inquisition did not rely on secular authorities.

Either way, are we talking about Muslims versus Protestants, or Christians in general?

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-12   2:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: paraclete (#10)

History is a wonderful mirror, and many races and religions have savage rituals but noone has persisted in the savagery into the twenty-first century as has the Muslim.

One humanitarian intervention in the name of liberal democracy can kill millions. Or in the name of Aryan race superiority, or whatever.

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-12   2:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A Pole (#13)

5 Catholics on the Supreme court can cause millions of babies to be murdered and call it a right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-12   8:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

5 Catholics on the Supreme court can cause millions of babies to be murdered and call it a right.

What is the Muslim position on abortion?

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-12   8:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A Pole (#15)

What is the Muslim position on abortion?

If it is a christian woman to abort it for her in a crowded subway with a bomb strapped to yourself.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-12   9:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A Pole (#15)

What is the Muslim position on abortion?

https://rcrc.org/muslim/

Pro abortion according to these muslims.

There is consensus that abortion is allowed if the life of the woman is endangered at any period during pregnancy. Some scholars have now taken the position that the fetus is to be treated as a person from the moment of conception, and as such, any abortion is forbidden. This, however, contradicts with the classical Islamic practice in which the fetus was never seen as a legal person before birth. This is best illustrated by the practice of accepting the testimony of a midwife in the case of istihlal. In the settling of inheritance cases, a fetus could not inherit, since it was not a person. But if it could be proven that the fetus lived even for a nanosecond, then, since it emerged from the womb alive, it could inherit. To determine whether it lived for such a time period, the testimony of a midwife was required, and the legal texts show that this was allowed by one of Islam’s earliest judges, Shurayh h. Harith (died ~718 C.E.).

Then there is this from their website.

Pro Faith. Pro Family. Pro Choice.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-12   9:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A Pole (#15)

What is the Muslim position on abortion?

Why The Abortion Rate In Pakistan Is One Of The World's Highest

www.wbur.org/npr/66176331...-rate-in-pakistan-is-one- of-the-worlds-highest

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-12   9:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A Pole (#15)

The Iranian Law on Abortion is Less Restrictive than the One in Alabama.

patheos.com/blogs/margino...-law-on-abortion-is-less- restrictive-than-the-one-in-alabama/

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-12   9:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#17)

Some scholars have now taken the position that the fetus is to be treated as a person from the moment of conception, and as such, any abortion is forbidden. This, however, contradicts with the classical Islamic practice in which the fetus was never seen as a legal person before birth.

Is there any Christian country where fetus is considered a legal person?

BTW, the classic Christian approach was to assume ensoulment either 40 days after conception, or 80 (Aquinas), or at the moment of quickening or when the fetus is completely formed or else. There was no one position. The shift into moment of conception started in XIX century with the advancement of embryology.

https://andrewg.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/the-moment-of-quickening/

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-12   13:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A Pole (#13)

One humanitarian intervention in the name of liberal democracy can kill millions.

Who wants to intervene, I think we should build a big wall around them and leave them to annihilate each other in the name of the caliphate

paraclete  posted on  2020-01-12   20:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative (#11)

The New England witch burnings were a tiny fraction compared to the vast death toll of the Inquisition over the centuries.

(1) No witches were burned in New England.

(2) Luther's Germany burnt 50,000, and Knox's Kirk in Scotland burnt 20,000.

There is heavy blood all around. Christianity disgraced itself forever by the way it behaved back then. We will always have to answer for it, and have to explain why - no matter how committed we are to our beliefs - we can never do that again.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   15:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#22) (Edited)

(1) No witches were burned in New England.

Hanged, doused, crushed, etc.

I pay little attention to the details since I have no ancestors from there and I assume that Yankees are depraved assholes anyway.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-13   19:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#22)

My great great great great Grandfather was torn asunder in the 1600's in Scotland for heresy. He was a Pastor, and his entire family fled to America. It was bitter and cruel how people treated each other. It made for some hardy people. I always figured that we all die, does it really matter how it happens? If there is an afterlife, it is like pulling a bandage off a childs arm. The memory will be nothing. I can remember that I remember, the pain of shattering my leg falling from a two story house. The pain lingers still, but the first 5 years were a bear. Dying is a piece of cake I hope. I haven't heard anyone complaining.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2020-01-14   0:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard (#0)

Sharia law has nothing in common with Mosaic law. Sharia is supported by over 50% of all Moslims. 750,000,000 people who will themselves be branded infidels if they refuse to to the bidding of Allah as transmitted by the Imams. They have no sects where rewrites of the Koran are accepted or taught that I have heard of. The US Constitution and a free national populace cannot coexist with Islam. We will devolve into Lebanon or Afghanistan if it is attempted.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2020-01-14   1:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: jeremiad (#24)

It matters how it happens. Just as the religious point out all of the pain of Jesus in his Passion, because it was unjust, the whole world points to all of the burnings, hangings, and assorted other executions committed by Christians in the name of their God - as they point to the same things done by Muslims. It matters when religious people kill people over their faith, not so much because of the final disposition of the person killed - he is now beyond reach - but because of what it says about the religion. One does not let Nasis and Communists off the hook for their atrocities because "people die anyway", nor should one ever let Islam or Christianity, or Judaism, off the hook for their atrocities either - it is all exactly the same thing. When people murder over their beliefs, it discredits those beliefs. People can be right wing nationalists, but if they put on the colors of Nasi Germany, they cross a line into something else - something that isn't tolerable because of what it did. It's not forgiven, and should not be. Same thing with Soviet Communism. One can be on the left, and be a socialist, but if one extols Stalin and the Gulag and starts waving around the banners of that era, one has stepped over the line. Same thing with jihad and Islam. Christians howl no, no, no, but it's the same thing with Christianity. Christianity was a murderous force for evil for a few hundred years. It did not reform, it had its fangs ripped down and its power thrown down by revolution, and by aggressive kings who, for all their corruption, were certainly better than the fanatics, Catholic and Protestant alike. So, when Christians start getting in that high moral dudgeon and start speaking AS THOUGH they possess political power, EVERYBODY should remember what real Christianity, Catholic and Protestant, did with power the last time they really had it. One third of the population of Germany was wiped out in the religious wars of the Reformation - one third. And then on top of that they went primitive and burnt tens of thousands of people as "witches" (which do not really exist). So no, one does not cut Christianity any slack when it comes to political power, and one does not pretend that it was not every bit as goddamned bad as the Nasis. Nationalists, Socialists, Church ladies and even nice Muslim families are all fine. Fanatics are rabid dogs, whatever their stripe, and they bear watching, because sooner or later, fanatics always reach for the sword and have to be put down in blood, to spare the world another ravage from their evil. That's just the way it is, and it will never change.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-14   6:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Tooconservative (#23)

I have no ancestors from there and I assume that Yankees are depraved assholes anyway.

Are you one of those guys who call the Civil War, the War of Northern Aggression? ;)

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-14   9:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

And then on top of that they went primitive and burnt tens of thousands of people as "witches" (which do not really exist).

To be precise, the witches or people practicing black magic do exist. Do not confuse the efficacy with the reality. BTW, in those times it was believed that magic might work, same as today people believe in reality of poisoning.

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-14   9:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

And then on top of that they went primitive and burnt tens of thousands of people as "witches" (which do not really exist).

Or liberal democrats or radical atheists for that matter. People can change their beliefs, but have difficulty with changing their bloodthirsty nature.

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-14   9:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A Pole (#27)

Nope. Unless I want to bait some rabid Yankee assholes who love to start cruel and pointless wars, both then and now.

They are the worst of America and always have been.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-14   10:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Tooconservative (#30)

rabid Yankee assholes

I know one guy from Arkansas, who claims that Massachusetts is a disease.

A Pole  posted on  2020-01-14   10:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A Pole (#28)

“In those days”, meaning only in certain ignorant times. In Chatlemagne’s time, 770 AD, witch trials were abolished as barbaric and foolish, as witchcraft was properly understood even then to be delusional. Witch trials were held in benightned, barbaric places only. The. Church did kill a lot of people for heresy, but that’s a form of political suppression, carried out by fanatics. Wholesale witch trials didn’t come back to Europe until Protestantism made the North Germans and Scots stupid again.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-14   10:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative (#30)

The South: Baptist, racist and backwards: cause and effect.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-14   10:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#33) (Edited)

projecTion

only The brainwashed proselyTize

you're a crack proof nuT case

f - off
boris

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in undigesTed filTh

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2020-01-14   15:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

You wrote wisdom and it is working in my skinny little brain pan like saute' with Coconut oil.

I agree that fanatics not just can, but will eventually find a reason to pick up the sword.

If Christianity was so perverted and used as a dudgeon against those seen as "other", it was evil. The worst kind of evil, because it turned something good, kind and giving into hate. Maybe it had to be "beaten down" by time and governments. Just as human beings need to be hammered on to reach their best selves individually.

If that is so, the Moslems need an all fired "hammering" to reach their best selves as a religion, and individually. We should get out of their way, and not allow them to bring the strife to our shores. Come on in, we should should say. IF you lay aside your allegiance to Sharia and its commands to convert or kill infidels. If you do not do these things, you are simply not welcome. If it is not possible to renounce this without renouncing Al'lah, then they can never be tamed enough to safely dwell with those who have already fought this battle.

My fear is that if Islam and modern man come together, there will be another clash where millions die in a short while, and on every shore. Then the Beast that lives in the heart of all will be unleashed, and She is a fierce one.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2020-01-14   17:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: BorisY (#34)

I love you too Boris.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-14   20:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: jeremiad (#35)

You’re roight about Islam. We didn’t allow Communists to immigrate during the Cold War, and we still don’t let professed Nazis immigrate: the ideas of both are fundamentally at war with what we are. So is Islam. Now, I’m well aware that Protestants were wildly opposed to the mass immigration of Catholics into America, claiming we would “fundamentally alter” the American culture as it then existed. And they were right too: we did, I would say for the better. It was the Catholic urban North that combined with the solid Democrat South to elect FDR and enact the New Deal.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-14   20:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Vicomte13 (#37)

claiming we would “fundamentally alter” the American culture as it then existed.

They did. They made abortion the law of the land.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-14   21:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#37)

And they were right too: we did, I would say for the better. It was the Catholic urban North that combined with the solid Democrat South to elect FDR and enact the New Deal.

Collectivists are antichristian. They don't have faith in God to take care of their needs. Government is their (Your) master. You cannot have two.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-14   21:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#38)

They did. They made abortion the law of the land.

Hogwash.

The Supreme Court in 1973 consisted of 9 Justices, ONE of whom was Catholic (the next Catholic to sit on the Court was Antonin Scalia, in 1986, and he was a staunch opponent of Roe). The other 8 were Protestants.

Protestants made abortion the law of the land in 1973.

Before that, the Protestant Governor Ronald Reagan signed abortion on demand into law in California, after a Protestant-dominated legislature passed it.

As with so much of what you right, your raging anti-Catholic bigotry shows through, but your "facts" are nonsense. It's your own side that has done the things you hate. But you simply choose to blame the Catholics, because of bigotry.

Roe v. Wade was a Protestant decision.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-15   13:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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