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Title: 1775 . . . Again?
Source: Eric Peters Autos
URL Source: https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2019/12/23/1775-again/
Published: Dec 23, 2019
Author: Eric
Post Date: 2019-12-24 07:56:34 by Deckard
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Views: 8255
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When people desperately trying to avoid a fight are left no choice but to fight, they are often the fiercest fighters imaginable.

The reason being an explosion of righteous anger – of berserker fury – directed at the bullies who will not leave them be.

Governor “Coonman” Northam of Virginia is such a bully.

He intends to rescind the current, ancient and long-acknowledged legal right of Virginians  who aren’t criminals to possess more than single shot rifles and pistols – by criminalizing anyone who does possess them.

These newly minted “criminals” will then be required to turn in their formerly legal firearms to the government or be subject to Hut! Hut! Hutting! by armed government workers sent by the Coonman to enforce his criminal acts.

These acts include the criminalization of any “training” – even without firearms – which the Coonman and his supporters consider potentially “anti-government.”

This is a recipe for 1775.

Another bully – Thomas Gage, the British military governor of Massachusetts – attempted a “Coonman” in that year, which lit the fuse of what became the Revolutionary War. He sent armed government workers – Redcoats – to confiscate the weapons of the colonists – who had finally had their fill of being bullied. These long-ago AGWs eventually gunned down several colonists on the village green at Lexington.

Word of the massacre spread and the people rose in response, fighting back with whatever means available, harrying the column of armed government workers as it made its way back toward Boston, some 18 miles away.

The fury incited by that long-ago “Coonman” was subsequently described by himself:

These people show a spirit and conduct against us they never showed against the French . . . They are now spirited up by a rage and enthusiasm as great as ever people were possessed of and you must proceed in earnest or give the business up. A small body acting in one spot will not avail, you must have large armies making diversions on different sides, to divide their force. The loss we have sustained is greater than we can bear. Small armies cannot afford such losses, especially when the advantage gained tends to do little more than the gaining of a post.” 

Eight years later, those furious colonists finally succeeded in getting the bullies off their backs – permanently.

They probably never imagined that homegrown bullies even worse than “Coonman” Gage would eventually arise to torment them.

The current “Coonman” may not realize just how very tired the people are of being bullied – and how willing they are to fight, if a fight is forced upon them.

The “Coonman” feels confident. He has the full weight and force of the government and all its means at his disposal. He has legions of armed government workers available to enforce his writ.

But he hasn’t got the fury – and that is something he ought to reckon with, before it it is too late.

I speak from a rural SW Va county, in which most of the people living here know one another. Know they are not criminals, no matter what laws the Coonman may hurl characterizing them as such.

It is a very different to “red flag” and sic police department Hut! Hut! Hutters! on someone in a suburban home whose neighbors have no idea who he is than it is to order local sheriffs – who know their neighbor – to Hut! Hut! Hut! him on orders from Richmond. There is no “gun violence” problem in my county and everyone knows it. They therefore understand that what Coonman is proposing is not some kind of needed curative but the criminalization of almost an entire populace by distant tyrants who are loathed by almost the entire populace.

People such as Coonman are viewed as illegitimate foreigners; creatures who speak a foreign language, even though it is English. People here have had enough. The differences are irreconcilable. And the resentment is boiling.

Look at a map of the last election. The state remains overwhelmingly red – but the blues control the entire state government. It is because the blues – like a cancerous mole – control the densely populated counties adjacent to the federal capital. The reds no longer have a say in state government – and people who have no say tend to get angry. Right now, they are extremely angry.

It could get out of control very quickly.

It will be hard for the Coonman and his followers to portray 90 percent of the people living in the counties outside of Northern Virginia and Richmond as “criminals” by passing laws transforming them into criminals.

If this thing starts, it will not end until one or the other side is no longer capable of fighting. It will be no-quarter-given. It will be awful.

But it will be righteous.

And it may be the only way.

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#3. To: Deckard (#0)

Don't be eager for a civil war, Virginia. the result will be the same for you as the last time.

You have to win this fight at the ballot box. you cannot win it on the battlefield. The correlation of forces has not improved for rebels since 1861, and unlike 1776, there's no French Army or French Navy out there to secure the win for the rebels.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-12-26   6:54:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

Don't be eager for a civil war, Virginia. the result will be the same for you as the last time.

You have to win this fight at the ballot box. you cannot win it on the battlefield.

I would add that, at this time, they cannot win this in court either. Note that all this pandering is about laws that do not exist. It is about proposed legislation, to be taken up, or not, in the 2020 legislative session.

Who will they fight on the batttlefield? Someone who proposed a law?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/politics/virginia-second-amendment-sanctuary-cities/65-885b5e9c-0454-4f6c-8bee-7c6785e0af08

Virginia Attorney General says proposed gun laws will be enforced despite opposition

Those in favor of second amendment sanctuary cities said AG Herring's legal opinion will 'stir up a hornet's nest across the state.'

Author: Sarah Konsmo
WUSA9
Published: 7:12 PM EST December 20, 2019
Updated: 7:12 PM EST December 20, 2019

PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, Va. — Virginia’s Attorney General gave his legal opinion Friday on a growing movement among Virginia cities and counties to declare themselves second amendment sanctuaries, rather than abide by new gun control legislation.

AG Mark Herring said state laws can’t be ignored by local governments.

"When the General Assembly passes new gun violence legislation, they will be followed, and they will be enforced," Herring said.

The new gun safety proposals include universal background checks, re-instating a one gun per month law and a red flag law aimed at reducing the risk of someone in crisis hurting themselves or others.

"We’re talking about very reasonable gun violence legislation that has broad public support," Herring said.

Corey Stewart, chairman at-large of Prince William County's board of supervisors, remains defiant. Prince William is among the counties that has declared itself a second amendment sanctuary.

"That doesn’t mean that the localities and the local sheriff’s have to use their resources to enforce a gun confiscation law, or any other unconstitutional law that Democrats and the General Assembly pass."

Stewart said Herring's legal opinion will stir up a hornet’s nest across the state.

"The Attorney General is delusional if he thinks this is just some movement that’s been ginned up by the so-called gun lobby," Stewart said. "This is a groundswell movement if there ever was one."

Still, Herring said he believes there’s an even bigger constituency in the state who want gun laws to change.

"Voters sent a real strong signal that they wanted something to be done, and that they were tired of the status quo," Herring said.

According to the Attorney General’s office, more than 10,000 people have been killed by a gun since 2007.

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https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/politics/2020-virginia-legislative-files-bills-before-session-gun-safety/65-a7564f8b-4787-4804-ba85-359996fc8d0a

Numerous bills introduced before the start of Virginia's 2020 legislative session deal with gun safety

'We in Virginia have felt the sting of gun violence, all the way back to Virginia Tech,' said Delegate Ken Plum.

Author: Kolbie Satterfield (WUSA 9)
WUSA9
Published: 7:05 PM EST November 19, 2019
Updated: 6:56 PM EST November 20, 2019

VIRGINIA, USA — For the first time in 26 years, the Democrats have the majority in the Commonwealth of Virginia, and they didn't waste time filing bills for the 2020 session.

Delegate Ken Plum introduced a bill that would institute universal background checks.

"The voters want us to do something about increasing gun violence," Plum said. "And we in Virginia have felt the sting of gun violence, all the way back to Virginia Tech."

Plum isn't the only one that filed a bill focused around gun safety.

Virginia State Senator Richard Saslaw filed four in the state Senate, ranging from limiting handgun purchases to putting an age requirement on who can use guns, prohibiting the sale or possession of an assault firearm and another dealing with background checks.

"There's going to be some upset people, but they say elections have consequences," Saslaw said.

Andrew Gilliam owns a gun shop in Warrenton and said the bill focusing on the prohibition of the sale or possession of an assault firearm gives him pause.

"Without fully understanding what an assault firearm is, this takes away 80% of my retail," Gilliam said. "The other 20% of my retail can be bought on Amazon."

Gilliam said he's worried about Virginians who already own these types of guns.

"That's what's going to get people a little bit upset, because in that bill, it says possession of these firearms and that could turn a lot of Virginians into felons overnight," Gilliam said. "So I think that's a little bit extreme."

The bill states the definition of an assault firearm would also expand to include a firearm magazine that holds more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

While this isn't Plum's bill, he has weighed in on it.

"Citizens possessing what is essentially a machine gun -- you can call it a high capacity rifle, or whatever, it's essentially a machine gun --is not necessary, nor is it desirable in a civilized society, and nor is it necessary for public safety," Plum said.

Gilliam said he just worries about the ripple effect some of these bills could cause, even impacting other proposed bills.

"You start losing mom and pop stores and people won’t have anywhere they can go do background checks and transfers," Gilliam said. "They won't be able to transfer any weapons. It's gonna create some serious problems there. There's kind of a big ripple effect with some of these bills."

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#5. To: nolu chan (#4) (Edited)

If the majority of voters in Virginia support this legislation, and the majority of legislators pass it and the governor signs it, it's the law. The minority has recourse to the courts. If the courts do not side with them, they have some choices to make.

The best choice is to put forth the political effort to PERSUADE the majority to change its mind. There are ways to do that: keep track of the statistics, of crime and victims. Show the people that the gun legislation didn't work as designed, but DID have bad side effects. Convince the people to change the law. That may or may not work, but that's democracy.

The other choices are various forms of rebellion and resistance, which don't convince the majority, just anger them, and which only result in various levels of worsening losses to the rebels (depending on whether they are peaceful "passive resisters" or wage open warfare a la 1861.)

That never works.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-12-27   9:27:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

The best choice is to put forth the political effort to PERSUADE the majority to change its mind.

Or they could hold their breath and stomp their feet.

The voters have spoken and there's nothing to stop them. At one time the second amendment would have protected these weapons but, you know, Heller.

misterwhite  posted on  2020-01-03   10:02:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#26)

At one time the second amendment would have protected these weapons but, you know, Heller.

It's not Heller, or the courts, or the Second Amendment.

It's the endless parade of school massacres, and workplace massacres, and public massacres, movie theater massacres.

The grief and loss from such incidents is unbelievable, and it is experienced by huge and growing numbers of people and communities.

Those people, perhaps naively, perhaps not, look at the ready availability of firearms in America, and at the stresses of modern Americans, and the drugs, and the general craziness, and decide that it is time for guns to be restricted.

Old precedent isn't going to preserve gun rights. Somebody has to propose something that actually WORKS to bring down the shootings, and point out that it works (because the massacres stop). Nobody does. So the only proposal out there is to restrict guns (which certainly seems to work in Europe and Canada to reduce massacres and their frequency).

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-03   12:55:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#27)

Somebody has to propose something that actually WORKS to bring down the shootings, and point out that it works (because the massacres stop).

The West Freeway Church of Christ provides the answer. When people start shooting back, the massacres will stop.

That church shooter in Texas had a shotgun. How would Virginia's law stop that?

misterwhite  posted on  2020-01-03   13:06:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite (#28)

Somebody has to propose something that actually WORKS to bring down the shootings, and point out that it works (because the massacres stop).

The West Freeway Church of Christ provides the answer. When people start shooting back, the massacres will stop.

That church shooter in Texas had a shotgun. How would Virginia's law stop that?

It must be one of those two times a day.

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