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Title: Cops Break Into Innocent Sleeping Woman’s Home, Shoot Her—Now She Faces Life in Prison
Source: From The Trenches/FTP
URL Source: https://fromthetrenchesworldreport. ... he-faces-life-in-prison/258613
Published: Dec 11, 2019
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2019-12-12 02:25:02 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1020
Comments: 93

Free Thought Project – by Matt Agorist

Winter Park, FL — Bobbie Sapp, 49, is a registered nurse, who has no criminal past. Despite never having committed a crime, because of the backward justice system in America, coupled with violent police welfare checks, Sapp is now facing the possibility of life behind bars. 

On the night in question, Sapp had done nothing wrong, had committed no crime, and harmed no one—yet police broke into her home, raided her bedroom as she slept, and shot her. Then, they had the audacity to arrest her and charge her with multiple felonies.

Sapp’s nightmare began in September of 2017 as she slept comfortably in her own bed in her own home. Instead of waking up to her alarm that fateful morning, Sapp would wake up to multiple shadowy figures surrounding her in her bedroom, pulling off her covers, yelling at her, tasering her, and eventually, shooting her.

Sapp is so confident that she did nothing wrong that she went on camera recently with News 6 Orlando to tell her side of the story. It is nothing short of shocking. She says the entire incident began because her disgruntled ex-boyfriend used a police welfare check to deliberately harm her. It worked.

“He used this wellness check as a way to put me in harm’s way,” she said.

Indeed, instead of actually investigating the situation by knocking on the door, calling her, or any other number of non-violent means, cops helped this man — who did not live in the house and could have been anyone — break in to her home and then shoot this woman on his behalf.

“My girlfriend was threatening suicide last night, I just came to the house and trying to get in,” Sapp’s ex-boyfriend told the 911 operator.

Sapp says these were all lies. If she actually wanted to kill herself, she could’ve used one of the two guns which she regularly sleeps with. She did not.

“She is very well armed,” Sapp’s ex-boyfriend told the 911 operator when asked if Sapp had a gun.

“She’s threatened suicide by cop before,” he said.

There is no record of Sapp ever attempting to commit suicide by herself or by cop before. Also, if she was trying to commit suicide by cop that night — she would have had to call the cops. She did not call the police.

“I was asleep in my bed. I was not at all contemplating a suicide or suicide by cop,” Sapp told News 6.

Nevertheless, police show up to the home and start taking directions from Sapp’s ex, who did not live there.

“There’s one way into the house to crawl through a window and I don’t want to do that at this point. I want someone here with me,” Sapp’s ex-boyfriend said during the call.

When police arrived on scene, Sapp’s ex showed them how to break into the home and they followed his directions.

“I’m asking if there’s any weapons in the house, he tells me there’s enough weapons in the house to start a revolution,”  officer Jeff Marcum, one of the responding officers, said according to an interview obtained by News 6.

Those weapons consisted of two pistols recovered from Sapp’s bed after she’d been shot.

Police claim that when they were breaking into Sapp’s home that they announced themselves as cops. However, when they got to Sapp’s bedroom, they admit that they did not announce themselves and she was still sleeping. She had no idea they were police.

“We’re yelling at her to, you know, let us see your hands, let us see your hands,” Marcum said.

Because the innocent woman who was just shaken out of sleep by heavily armed strangers in her bedroom, did not immediately begin to prostrate herself at the feet of her home invaders, force was escalated.

“I didn’t have my glasses on, I’m legally blind,” Sapp said. “I couldn’t identify anybody, but I remember there being shadows figures standing in my room. They pulled the covers off me.”

“At that point when she pulled the cover, Ms. Sapp immediately came up with a handgun and pointed it right at us,” Marcum told investigators.

Sapp disputes the notion that she ever pointed a gun. She says that had she actually pointed a gun, she would be dead because more than one of the cops would’ve fired their guns.

“If I had been pointing my gun, the way they said that I was, why didn’t they all shoot me, instead of just one person?” Sapp asked. Indeed, as TFTP has reported on a regular basis, cops are more than willing to shoot someone for merely reaching for areas where there may be a gun. If you actually point a gun at a cop, especially four of them, rest assured, you are going to be filled with holes immediately.

Instead of shooting her, one cop deployed his taser. Marcum, apparently scared of his own shadow then did what the other officers in the room never felt necessary: he pulled out his gun and put a bullet into Sapp.

This innocent woman, who had harmed no one, was asleep in her own bedroom, and did nothing wrong, was then shot in the shoulder and arrested.

“It doesn’t make any sense that they would come in that way unless they were lied to by somebody that was using this well-being check as a tool to put me in harm’s way,” Sapp said. “To process that has been really, really difficult. It’s something that could happen to anyone.”

Despite the fact that not a single cop was injured, and the fact that Sapp never fired of a round, and the fact that she was the one who was shot, this woman was arrested and charged with the following felonies:

Att. First Degree Murder Of Leo W/firearm
Att. First Degree Murder Of Leo W/firearm
Agg. Assault On A Leo (w/ A Deadly Weapon)
Aggravated Assault With A Deadly Weapon
Aggravated Assault With A Deadly Weapon
Aggravated Assault With A Deadly Weapon
Resisting Officer With Violence

Sapp, whose trial begins this month, now faces the possibility of life behind bars for attempting to defend herself against multiple armed home invaders who happened to wear badges. All of this, of course, was carried out for her own safety.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

“I didn’t have my glasses on, I’m legally blind,”

A lot of that going around.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-12   9:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

Hmmm. No charges against the ex-boyfriend?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-12   9:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

Reckless endangerment / attempted murder on the part of the boyfriend, not only against the woman but the police as well.

Malicious prosecution on the part of the prosecutor given the police cannot certify they ID'd themselves as police after awakening the woman.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-12-12   10:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

given the police cannot certify they ID'd themselves as police after awakening the woman.

The police uniforms offered no clue?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-12   11:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#4)

The police uniforms offered no clue?

I would not expect you to be aware of this, but when someone is awakened from sleep by intruders in his/her home shining flashlights in the face in a room that is otherwise dark, taking note of the apparrel of the intruders, assuming it can be seen at all, is not the strongest informational element to register in the brain of the just awakened person, particularly if that person is legally blind. That no doubt involved difficult concepts to grasp, but if you spend some time mulling over it and discussing it with friends, your father and your pastor, you should eventually understand the reasoning.

It is possible that these police wear glow-in-the-dark uniforms, in which case, I'll stand corrected.

I suggest you try this on yourself by having a friend make a similar call on your home at a random time sometime within the next 3 months. Be sure also to have a stalker put you in serious fear for your life beforehand and have 2 pistols -- apparently sufficient to start a revolution -- on hand. Let us know how you do.

Seems to me this prosecution may be intended to preempt a civil lawsuit from this woman. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this case is dropped just before trial, when they realize she will not take a plea.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-12-12   12:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5)

Seems to me this prosecution may be intended to preempt a civil lawsuit from this woman. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this case is dropped just before trial, when they realize she will not take a plea.

I thought the same thing. A strategic lawsuit against asserting her rights. Like a SLAPP lawsuit but intended to shield police from unlawful conduct and false arrest.

It happens more often than people realize.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-12   14:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#1)

A lot of that going around.

https://www.orangepublicrecords.com/sample.php?id=1628

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2017/09/18/winter-park-police-officer-shoots-armed-woman-threatening-suicide-police-say/

The incident happened in 2017.

https://www.bailbondsearch.com/orange-inmate-SAPP/17026724

Booking Number: 17026724

Criminal Charges
Case Sequence: 245
Case Status: Presentenced
#Bond Amount: 0.00
Police Case Number: n/a
Court Location: CIRCUIT
Arresting Agency: Winter Park Pd
Charge/Court Case Number: Att. First Degree Murder Of Leo W/firearm
2017CF012052AO

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Case Sequence: 246
Case Status: Presentenced
#Bond Amount: 0.00
Police Case Number: n/a
Arresting Agency: Winter Park Pd
Charge/Court Case Number: Att. First Degree Murder Of Leo W/firearm
2017CF012052AO
Court Location: CIRCUIT
Note: Icjis Affidavit, Original Charge(s): // 782.04(1)(a)(1)-2 Attempted First
Degree Murder Of A Law E

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Case Sequence: 247
Case Status: Presentenced
#Bond Amount: 0.00
Police Case Number: n/a
Arresting Agency: Winter Park Pd
Charge/Court Case Number: Agg. Assault On A Leo (w/ A Deadly Weapon) 2017CF012052AO
Court Location: CIRCUIT
Note: Icjis Affidavit, Original Charge(s): // 782.04(1)(a)(1)-2 Attempted First
Degree Murder Of A Law E

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2017/09/27/bond-denied-for-woman-accused-of-pointing-gun-at-winter-park-police/

Bond denied for woman accused of pointing gun at Winter Park police

Bobbie Sapp to remain jailed

WINTER PARK, Fla. – A judge on Wednesday denied a motion to reduce bond for a woman accused of threatening Winter Park police.

Investigators said Bobbie Sapp pointed a gun at police earlier this month when they went to talk to her at a home on Buckingham Road.

Police officers said they shot Sapp after they felt threatened.

Sapp's lawyers argued that since she doesn't have any convictions on her record and needs physical therapy for her injuries, she should be granted bond. A judge, however, refused to grant the motion.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-12   14:23:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#5)

Agree with your opinion on this !!!

Some may think all cops are god, and unable to do wrong. But anyone with a min of two brain cells know better !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2019-12-12   15:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#0)

I fail to see what possibly could be gained by the police making a wellness check in the dark. A phone call, a knock on the door after say 8 AM? Or putting a cruiser in the driveway blocking any exit by vehicle until the lady comes out, or begins her day. There is no right in the police action on this night, and a whole lot of wrong.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2019-12-12   15:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jeremiad (#9)

I fail to see what possibly could be gained by the police making a wellness check in the dark. A phone call, a knock on the door after say 8 AM?

You'd be screaming your head off if she died during the night and the cops didn't show up until 8 AM. God save us from Monday morning quarterbacks like you who are oh so smart after the fact.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-12   17:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jeremiad, misterwhite (#9)

I fail to see what possibly could be gained by the police making a wellness check in the dark. A phone call, a knock on the door after say 8 AM?

The report was that the woman was armed and had been threatening to commit suicide by cop.

A PHONE CALL... Are you armed and threatening to commit suicide by cop? Can we come over to talk about it?

A KNOCK ON THE DOOR AFTER 8 a.m. ... She answers blam! blam!! Oh, the report was serious?

The cops have the advantage making silent entry in the dark and approaching the subject sleeping in her bed. This is especially true if they deploy night vision equipment.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2017/09/18/winter-park-police-officer-shoots-armed-woman-threatening-suicide-police-say/

Winter Park police officer shoots armed woman threatening suicide, police say

Woman's injuries non-life-threatening, could face charges

WINTER PARK, Fla. – A Winter Park police officer shot a woman Sunday morning after she pointed a gun at the officer, officials said.

The shooting happened after police responded at 8:27 a.m. to a well-being check on Bobbie Sapp, 46, who had been threatening to commit suicide by cop at 1313 Buckingham Road, according to the Winter Park Police Department.

Officers were told that the woman had multiple firearms inside her home.

Winter Park police Sgt. Garvin McComey said officers tried to talk with the woman, who started pointing a gun at one officer. Officers tried to subdue the woman with a Taser, but she continued to point the weapon, police said.

The officer shot her in the right shoulder after she did not respond to several commands to put the gun down, he said.

The woman was taken to an area hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, McComey said.

[...]

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-12   18:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#10)

I couldn't care less if she killed herself. If it were my sister or a family member, I would have checked myself.....AT A DECENT HOUR..... Death comes for all of us, it doesn't freak me out if idiots kill themselves. When they rob others of life and health, THAT tees me off.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2019-12-12   20:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#11) (Edited)

How can she commit suicide by cop if the cops don't show up to a dark and sleeping house and barge in?

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2019-12-12   20:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#11)

silent entry in the dark?

deploy night vision equipment?

When police arrived on scene, Sapp’s ex showed them how to break into the home and they followed his directions.

watchman  posted on  2019-12-12   22:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: jeremiad (#13)

How can she commit suicide by cop if the cops don't show up to a dark and sleeping house and barge in?

She can just commit suicide and if the cops did not timely react to the report, litigation would follow.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-12   22:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: watchman, Jeremiad, misterwhite (#14)

[Matt Agorist] On the night in question, Sapp had done nothing wrong, had committed no crime, and harmed no one—yet police broke into her home, raided her bedroom as she slept, and shot her. Then, they had the audacity to arrest her and charge her with multiple felonies.

[Jeremiad #13] How can she commit suicide by cop if the cops don't show up to a dark and sleeping house and barge in?

[Watchman #14] silent entry in the dark? deploy night vision equipment When police arrived on scene, Sapp’s ex showed them how to break into the home and they followed his directions.

Hey check this out. The call to police was at 8 a.m.

Per the boyfriend's instructions, they opened the kitchen window and unlocked the back door with a clothes hanger.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2019/10/28/winter-park-police-shoot-woman-during-well-being-check/

Winter Park police shoot woman during well-being check

Woman faces criminal charges

[excerpt]

It happened 8 a.m. on a Sunday in September 2017. While Sapp was fast asleep in the Winter Park home she rented, her ex-boyfriend was calling Winter Park police.

"My girlfriend was threatening suicide last night, I just came to the house and trying to get in," Sapp's ex-boyfriend told the 911 operator.

It was a five minute, 34 second call that Sapp said changed her life.

"She is very well armed," Sapp's ex-boyfriend told the 911 operator when asked if Sapp had a gun.

"She's threatened suicide by cop before," he said.

"I was asleep in my bed. I was not at all contemplating a suicide or suicide by cop," Sapp told News 6.

When police arrived, Sapp's ex showed them how to enter the house, according to an interview with officer Jeff Marcum obtained by News 6.

"There’s one way into the house to crawl through a window and I don't want to do that at this point. I want someone here with me," Sapp's ex-boyfriend said during the call.

One officer lifted a kitchen window, leaned in and used a clothing hanger to unlock the back door, according to police.

Meanwhile, Marcum was still getting information from Sapp's ex.

"I'm asking if there's any weapons in the house, he tells me there's enough weapons in the house to start a revolution," Marcum said.

Then the three officers made their way into the house, through the living room, and finally to Sapp's bedroom where they see her sleeping.

"I'm thinking about the call suicide by cop," Marcum says during the interview.

Marcum, a 23-year-veteran with the Winter Park Police Department, describes in an interview with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement what happened next.

"We're yelling at her to, you know, let us see your hands, let us see your hands," Marcum said.

"I didn't have my glasses on, I'm legally blind," Sapp said. "I couldn't identify anybody, but I remember there being shadows figures standing in my room. They pulled the covers off me."

"At that point when she pulled the cover, Ms. Sapp immediately came up with a handgun and pointed it right at us," Marcum told investigators.

Sapp admits she slept with two guns. She and her ex had been in a fight the night before and she feared it was him coming back to the house, she said.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-12   22:47:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#16)

Hey check this out. The call to police was at 8 a.m.

Yeah, I know it was 8 a.m.

How did YOU arrive at "night vision equipment"?

The cops have the advantage making silent entry in the dark and approaching the subject sleeping in her bed. This is especially true if they deploy night vision equipment.

I mean, aside from the body cam "found footage" I presented lol

watchman  posted on  2019-12-12   23:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: watchman (#17)

Yeah, I know it was 8 a.m.

How did YOU arrive at "night vision equipment"?

Silly me, I read the Matt Agorist thread article and did not fact check his "reporting" that it was night. I know better than to believe a word written by that source, but don't have the time to check his each and every statement.

[Matt Agorist/Thread Article] On the night in question, Sapp had done nothing wrong, had committed no crime, and harmed no one—yet police broke into her home, raided her bedroom as she slept, and shot her.

[Jeremiad #9]

#9. To: Deckard (#0)

I fail to see what possibly could be gained by the police making a wellness check in the dark. A phone call, a knock on the door after say 8 AM?

[...]

If, when responding to the thread article, you knew it was 8 AM, why did you talk about the police making a wellness check in the dark?

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-13   0:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jeremiad (#12)

I would have checked myself.....AT A DECENT HOUR.....

It happened at 8am.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-13   9:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nolu chan (#18)

A PHONE CALL... Are you armed and threatening to commit suicide by cop? Can we come over to talk about it?

A KNOCK ON THE DOOR AFTER 8 a.m. ... She answers blam! blam!! Oh, the report was serious?

The cops have the advantage making silent entry in the dark and approaching the subject sleeping in her bed. This is especially true if they deploy night vision equipment.

Okay, we've established that it is 8 am.

The real question is...how did you go from a phone call being a bad idea...and a knock on the door being a bad idea...to the rather bizarre idea of having them go in like Seal Team 6?

watchman  posted on  2019-12-13   9:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: watchman (#20)

Okay, we've established that it is 8 am.

And we have established that your conflicting claims said you knew it was 8 a.m. and then went on the say it was dark.

The real question is...how did you go from a phone call being a bad idea...and a knock on the door being a bad idea...to the rather bizarre idea of having them go in like Seal Team 6?

They went in prepared to meet an armed person who reportedly threatened to commit suicide by cop. You may approach that by giving advance notice that you are coming, and arrive with a sympathy blanket to put around her. Or you may delay, as you suggested, inviting a negligence lawsuit.

Blindness was not the best defence for pointing a gun at the police. She should have gone with being suicidal.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-13   10:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nolu chan (#21)

The real question is...how did you go from a phone call being a bad idea...and a knock on the door being a bad idea...to the rather bizarre idea of having them go in like Seal Team 6?

They went in prepared to meet an armed person who reportedly threatened to commit suicide by cop.

...reportedly

Is that your vision for America?

Any joker can make a 911 call, stand outside of any house, and direct military police into the house while the occupants sleep?

You're gonna fit right in to the Pope's New World Order.

watchman  posted on  2019-12-13   11:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: watchman (#22)

Is that your vision for America?

Any joker can make a 911 call, stand outside of any house, and direct military police into the house while the occupants sleep?

Of course, police respond to the report they receive and not to the Monday morning quarterbacking of some lying gobshite on a website.

Or as Matt Agorist would put it, they put her in jail with no bond for no reason at all.

You're gonna fit right in to the Pope's New World Order.

Of course, there is no indication that the Pope in particular, or Catholics in general, (or Jews, Muslims, ordinary Protestants or Fundies) had diddly squat to do with this case. That is just like the rest of your nutty drivel. Go write a wacko book about the Revelation.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-13   11:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: nolu chan (#23)

Go write a wacko book about the Revelation.

You may not believe what is written in Revelation...but the Pope does...and so do the rest of the elites who use it as their play book.

And right now those folks outrank you and are working tirelessly to bring about their NWO/OWG.

Your vision of militarized police in night vision goggles entering in on sleeping citizens plays right in to their whole plan.

watchman  posted on  2019-12-13   12:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: watchman (#24)

You may not believe what is written in Revelation...but the Pope does...and so do the rest of the elites who use it as their play book.

And right now those folks outrank you and are working tirelessly to bring about their NWO/OWG.

I do not believe what is in books about the Revelation when they are written by internet wackos, such as multi-handled nutbags.

And right now those folks outrank you and are working tirelessly to bring about their NWO/OWG.

I have all those Papists who outrank me fooled. I have a plot waiting for me in a Baptist cemetery, where my mother and brother await my arrival.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-13   12:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#25)

I do not believe what is in books about the Revelation when they are written by internet wackos, such as multi-handled nutbags.

How about recognized Bible scholars who write about Revelation? And who are these "multi-handled nutbags" you refer to?

I have a plot waiting for me in a Baptist cemetery, where my mother and brother await my arrival.

You are a Baptist now? I'd believe that your mother and brother are Christians before I'd believe you are.

watchman  posted on  2019-12-13   12:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: watchman (#26)

And who are these "multi-handled nutbags" you refer to?

I reject watchmen, editors or interpreters who say stuff like, "My predictions, on the other hand have never even once failed to come to pass. I refute all futurists everywhere that ever appeared on this great Earth of ours, bar none. " Or, "After the Earth is destroyed by fire 1000 years from now (in a great war), those found worthy get to go to Mars and live in the New Jerusalem."

They are as reliable as an FBI midyear review. To use a Brit expression, it's all just a bunch of old Barry. It's like the stuff that issues forth from Matagorda, which looks like Spanish for kill the fat lady.

I'd believe that your mother and brother are Christians before I'd believe you are.

I'd believe you are a warped futurist fundie before I'd believe you are sane.

Just a reminder:

Title: Cops Break Into Innocent Sleeping Woman’s Home, Shoot Her—Now She Faces Life in Prison

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-13   15:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Deckard (#0)

The state's case against this woman hinges around her pointing a gun at cops, but I'm hard pressed to understand how it could possibly be a crime for a woman to react with hostility after being awakened in her own bedroom by 3 strange men. If I was on the jury, the state would have the overwhelming burden to show that this woman acted with malice by drawing a firearm when she would already have enormous latitude to do so simply out of a right to self defense.

Even if the police claim that she drew a weapon on them is true, even if she had fired a shot, even if she had killed one or more police, I would grant her the "I was in fear for my life" defense and vote to acquit. We all know if she was holding a cell phone and police shot and killed her, that would be the police defense.

I'm really sick of how prosecutors and courts hold citizens to higher police standards in shooting situations than they hold trained police.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-12-14   1:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pinguinite (#28)

YUP, met too. She could kill all the cops as far as I am concerned. THEY were breaking the law of man and natures law. If 4 men go into a bears cave to capture the bear and they end up mauled, people say one word.....GOOD. Into a persons den while they sleep, and they want to throw her in prison for defending herself.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2019-12-15   0:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: jeremiad (#29)

If this woman was a cop and upon waking, drew her firearm and pointed it at the guys in her bedroom, they'd have never thought it any problem. It would just be instinctive training kicking in. But no, she's not a cop so HER drawing her gun on them is a crime.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-12-15   4:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#28)

You are going to get voted out of the nuthouse. Thanks for building it.

Anthem  posted on  2019-12-15   8:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite (#5)

That no doubt involved difficult concepts to grasp, but if you spend some time mulling over it and discussing it with friends, your father and your pastor, you should eventually understand the reasoning.

I think Mr White should rather speak with his psychiatrist.

A Pole  posted on  2019-12-15   13:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite (#5)

I would not expect you to be aware of this, but when someone is awakened from sleep by intruders in his/her home shining flashlights in the face in a room that is otherwise dark,

Sunrise in Winter Park, Florida in September, 2017 was 7:10 am. The police entered at 8:00.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-16   9:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: misterwhite (#33)

The incident didn't happen outside. Because it is light outside doesn't say how much light was on the inside.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-12-16   9:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#34)

She had blackout curtains or are you just making shit up?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-16   10:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: misterwhite (#35)

She had blackout curtains or are you just making shit up?

I am not making anything up. You are claiming to know how much light was in the room based on the time of day. I'm just pointing out that curtains and say being on the west side may be a factor in how well how much light there was.

I'm not saying she had black out curtains. I just posted that in case you didn't know that curtains black out or just regular ones can dim the light. As I pointed out especially if her room is on the west side.

Or maybe she is lying. I don't know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-12-16   10:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#36)

Bobbie Sapp, 49, is a registered nurse

Being an RN she probably works both day and night shifts. Her sleeping area would be fitted with curtains that make the room dark as needed.

watchman  posted on  2019-12-16   11:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't even matter how well lit the room might have been. When anyone wakes up in their bedroom and finds 3 strange men standing there, there's going to be panic, and this is all the more true when it's a woman that discovers this. And the reaction of any person, especially a woman, is going to be an activation of self-defense instinct, and in this case that means this woman drawing her weapon. This prosecution is about her failing to quash that natural instinctive self-preservation reaction because she was expected to surmise instantly upon waking that these three strange men were wearing police uniforms AND that somehow should have made everything instantly understandable to her in her freshly awakened state of mind.

It's insane. Now she insists she did not draw a weapon on them by virtue of the fact that she was still alive and only one cop fired one round. I think that's a credible argument but even if she did draw, I consider it a reasonable "I was in fear for my life" defense and I'd find her not guilty on that basis. Even if she had drawn and fired, and even if she had drawn, fired and killed.

She did NOT ask for this to happen to her. Whatever procedures these cops follow in these cases, they need to be revised, and the current defective procedures they follow now are not the responsibility of this woman or any other resident.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-12-16   11:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)

As I pointed out especially if her room is on the west side.

Or maybe she lived in the basement. Right?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-16   12:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#39)

Or maybe she lived in the basement. Right?

No I don't think she lived or was in the basement. What leads you to belive that?

What leads you to determine her curtains were open?

Ever been to a hotel and you wake up and it's later than you think because the curtains were drawn?

I'm just pointing out you are making assumptions. You do that all the time.

Like I said maybe she is lying. Maybe she is telling the truth and the police are lying. I don't know or pretend to know. You pretend to know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-12-16   12:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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