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Title: Report: Senate GOP leaders leaning towards voting to acquit Trump before he has a chance to call any witnesses
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/allahpu ... t-trump-chance-call-witnesses/
Published: Dec 10, 2019
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2019-12-10 20:25:50 by Tooconservative
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Views: 546
Comments: 16

If you watched this Lindsey Graham clip from last night, you already saw this coming. No defense case for the president. No witnesses called by Trump. House Dems would call their own witnesses, the president’s lawyers would cross-examine them, and then the Senate would vote.

No Hunter Biden testimony. No Joe Biden. No Adam Schiff. No whistleblower. Trump would be asked to do something he seems incapable of doing, keeping his mouth shut while he’s impugned by his enemies.

Formally shut, I mean. His attorneys won’t get to put anyone on the stand but he’s going to live-tweet the whole trial from his recliner, needless to say.

McConnell, Graham, and the rest are betting that the certainty of acquittal will soothe angry Trumpers who’ll be pissed that the president won’t get to go on offense. He’s a “counterpuncher,” after all, and the Dems have been beating on him for weeks — and now his own allies in Congress won’t let him get up and take a few swings at them. Conservative media will be unhappy, although I doubt any Senate Republicans care. They know no grudges will be held next fall so long as they deliver the proper verdict.

Top Republicans are leaning toward calling for a vote to acquit Trump immediately after House Democrats and the White House have delivered their arguments to head off partisan disagreements that might lengthen the trial.

“At that point, I would expect that most members would be ready to vote and wouldn’t need more information,” said John Barrasso of Wyoming, the No. 3-ranked Senate Republican. “Many people have their minds pretty well made up.”…

“How many senators would enjoy a Trump rally? That’s probably your whip count for calling Hunter [Biden],” a Republican senator said, requesting anonymity to speak candidly. Senate Democrats are not expected to provide any votes to call Biden or the others. Or, they might ask so high a price, demanding that in exchange, they be allowed to call Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Vice President Mike Pence, that Republicans balk.

“It becomes endless motions to call people, and I’m not sure what anybody gains from all that,” said John Thune of South Dakota, the No. 2-ranked Senate Republican.

Thune and Barrasso are numbers two and three in the Republican leadership. These aren’t rando backbenchers speculating about how things are likely to go. If anyone would know how the trial is shaping up, they would.

“Not sure how you have a fair trial without calling witnesses,” sniffed one unnamed House Republican to the Examiner about the Senate’s plan to short-circuit Trump’s defense. That’s exactly the position Trump will take, which will turn the tables on Lindsey Graham. Graham has been the most outspoken critic of the House process on Trump’s behalf among Senate Republicans, frequently attacking it as unfair and short of due process. Trump’s going to level the same charge against Graham’s Senate process, though: There’s no due process if I can’t present a defense. That would be a fun debate since defendants don’t typically complain about procedural unfairness in cases where they’re on a glide path to acquittal.

But Trump might reply that this isn’t any ol’ criminal or civil case. As has been said many times since the Ukraine scandal broke big, impeachment is a political process. Democrats have spent two months using official channels trying to build political momentum for removing the president from office. Why shouldn’t he be allowed two weeks to use official channels to build some political momentum of his own?

What will Lindsey say? He complained in yesterday’s interview that impeachment is hurting the country, which is why it’s crucial to end the trial ASAP. Trump will respond by saying that Democrats should have thought of that before they launched this process. If we want to deter future unjust impeachments, we should let the president present a vigorous defense on the grandest stage, his Senate trial, and give House Dems a bloody nose.

What will Lindsey say?

Graham’s fear here, obviously, is having to take a series of tough votes on whether to call individual witnesses. It’ll be painful to deny Trump a defense by voting to acquit as soon as the House’s case is finished but it’ll be even more painful if the caucus has to deny him that defense piecemeal by voting down one witness after another. You think Lindsey Graham wants to have to vote no on calling Hunter Biden and then no on calling Joe Biden and then no on calling Schiff and then no on calling the whistleblower? Even if he’s willing to vote yes on all four, he knows that vulnerable incumbents like Collins and Gardner who are facing reelection in battlegrounds next fall won’t want to take those votes. That’ll be Graham’s and McConnell’s ace in the hole when Trump starts complaining — the moderates won’t let us call these witnesses even if the rest of us wanted to. We need 51 votes.

If I were Collins or Murkowski or Romney, I’d refuse to let them scapegoat me that way. I’d announce up front that I’ll go along with whatever the rest of the caucus wants when it comes to calling witnesses. If Lindsey Graham doesn’t want Hunter Biden to testify, let him vote no himself or find three people elsewhere in the caucus to vote no. See what happens.

By the way, the witness list isn’t the only way the trial might disappoint Trump:

As soon as the House impeaches President Donald Trump, the Senate is, in theory, required to immediately begin a trial. But for a multitude of reasons, both strategic and mundane, senators say they are aiming to reach an agreement to take a breather and come back for the trial in January…

A delay might not be to everyone’s benefit. A person familiar with the White House’s thinking said the administration’s preference is to start the trial with no delay and it is actively seeking that result. And five Senate Democrats are still running for president; a trial starting in December would be less disruptive to their work campaigning in the early states, with the Iowa caucuses on Feb. 2.

I don’t know why they want the trial to start ASAP. Trump’s lawyers need time to prepare for cross-examination. And the longer impeachment drags on, the more likely the public is to grow exasperated with it. If they start the trial next week, while Americans are still somewhat paying attention to the daily news, people might see it as a natural next step in the process. If they start the trial in January, with voters still in a post-holiday haze and having lost track of the impeachment saga, the reaction may be more “Are we still doing this?!”

If you’re bummed about Trump not getting to put on a defense, look at it this way: The quicker the trial is, the sooner Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren get back on the trail, the greater the chances that Trump will have a far-left opponent next fall. It’d be a supreme irony if an impeachment process stemming from Trump’s attempt to get dirt on Joe Biden ended up improving Biden’s chances in the early states by taking his chief competition away from the campaign for weeks at a critical moment. The Senate might be able to get this done by mid-January if there are no defense witnesses called. Plenty of time for the socialist and the near-socialist to get back to Iowa and make their pitch.


Poster Comment:

What if you threw an impeachment and nobody showed up?

Senate GOP is queasy but confident they can prevail. Trump wants to go for blood and try to crush the Dems with this.

No one said that winning would be pretty.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Americans are still somewhat paying attention to the daily news

How many of Fearless Leader's cult members can find Odessa, or even Ukraine, on a map?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukr...mafia#Odessa_mafia/Malina

Judas Goat  posted on  2019-12-11   9:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Peromischievous leucopus (#1)

I could. Admittedly, I'm probably one of the few who could. It is an interesting area along with Crimea and the cities east of the Dnieper River and the city of Dniepro (known as Dniepropetrovsk until 2016 when another de-Russification attempt was passed by Kiev...er...Kyiv). Odessa is an ancient Greek trading city at the far southwest corner of the current Ukraine (minus Crimea). It was the site of some very grim and deadly revolutionary activity some years back during the Maidan era.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-11   12:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)

EuroMaidan [had] grown into something far bigger than just an angry response to the fallen-through EU deal. It's now about ousting Yanukovych and his corrupt government; guiding Ukraine away from its 200-year-long, deeply intertwined and painful relationship with Russia; and standing up for basic human rights to protest, speak and think freely and to act peacefully without the threat of punishment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

 

Hmm.  Where's Fearless Leader's "concern" about the corruption associated with Yanukovych and his handlers?


Judas Goat  posted on  2019-12-11   12:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Peromischievous leucopus (#3)

EuroMaidan [had] grown into something far bigger than just an angry response to the fallen-through EU deal. It's now about ousting Yanukovych and his corrupt government; guiding Ukraine away from its 200-year-long, deeply intertwined and painful relationship with Russia; and standing up for basic human rights to protest, speak and think freely and to act peacefully without the threat of punishment.

That didn't excuse some Nazi types from burning over 40 trade unionists to death in their own HQ in Odessa.

Little more was reported but I think the Odessa mafia murdered every Nazi in the area who didn't flee. Odessa was a war zone for a few weeks.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-11   13:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4) (Edited)

Little more was reported

There's a long history of "little more" being reported regarding the Organized Criminal corruption that's infested the region.

Got Holodomor?

Evidently the tribal Oligarchs don't have "TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" as a high priority for those under their purview - especially when they can make a profit from instigating conflict and selling arms to both sides:

www.google.com/search?&q=lord+of+war+mogilevich

Judas Goat  posted on  2019-12-11   13:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Peromischievous leucopus (#5)

Got Holodomor?

It is a major problem for trying to prove anything that did or didn't happen in the region.

Ukraine is a problem child of the old Soviet regime. It was for them, it is for us as well. And history does us no favors. Sometimes, you just have to have a cutoff date and insist that "now is now regardless of what happened back in ____". Yet it is undeniable that these historical grudges do play a major role in current events in Ukraine.

In other words, there is no "there" there. The more you know about their very sad history, the less any solution seems to be workable. Nevertheless, American governments of both parties have to deal with Ukraine and its history. In the modern era, our meddling there go back to American insistence on provisions to detach northwest oblasts from Ukraine due to Nazi alignment in the Versailles treaty ending WW I. Add in a lot of meddling by Ukrainians who had immigrated to America and organized to use American power to inflict their agenda on Ukraine itself and you have a recipe for misery, all instigated due to American meddling at the behest of American Ukrainians.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-11   13:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

It is a major problem for trying to prove anything that did or didn't happen in the region.

Solzhenitsyn fills in a few blanks.

"Derzhavin discovered that the [REDACTED] schnapps distillers exploited the alcoholism of the peasants:

“After I had discovered that the [REDACTED] from profit-seeking use the lure of drink to beguile grain from the peasants, convert it into brandy and therewith cause a famine. I commanded that they should close their distilleries in the
village Liosno.”

“I informed myself from sensible inhabitants” as well as nobles, merchants, and villagers “about the manner of life of the [REDACTED], their occupations, their deceptions and all their pettifogging with which …they provide the poor dumb villages with hunger; and on the other hand, by what means one could protect them from the common pack and how to facilitate for them an honorable and respectable way out … to enable them to become useful citizens."
--200 Years Together
--Aleksander Solzhenitsyn
https://web.archive.org/web/20180912193606/http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Solzhenitsyn-200-Years-Together-Encrypted.pdf

Judas Goat  posted on  2019-12-11   13:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#6) (Edited)

all instigated due to American meddling at the behest of American Ukrainians.

And now Ukrainian Tribal meddling has metastasized into, demoralized, American culture.

Judas Goat  posted on  2019-12-11   13:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Report: Senate GOP leaders leaning towards voting to acquit Trump before he has a chance to call any witnesses

The Democrats and the MSM will cry whitewash and coverup while secretely thanking the stupid party for not exposing the depth of their corruption with a full trial.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-11   13:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Peromischievous leucopus (#8) (Edited)

And now Ukrainian Tribal meddling has metastasized into, demoralized, American culture.

We aren't making them better, we're making both our main parties worse. The corruption in Ukraine is contagious. And it has become more infectious over the last century of America meddling in Ukrainian politics and Ukraine (via its organized immigrants) meddling in American politics.

It is a relationship that needs much more scrutiny. And far more limits on the bilateral meddling.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-11   14:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#9)

The Democrats and the MSM will cry whitewash and coverup while secretely thanking the stupid party for not exposing the depth of their corruption with a full trial.

We saw that with the brief Senate trial of Xlinton. History barely notices.

There will inevitably be some griping from someone no matter the outcome(s). Legislative careers may be ended, law enforcement officials may get sent to jail, etc.

There is no happy ending for all concerned. There may be no winners but everyone could end up as a loser. I think this is the case already.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-11   14:08:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#10)

we're making both our main parties worse. The corruption in Ukraine is contagious.

Yep.

It is a relationship that needs much more scrutiny

It's a relationship rooted in human nature - for which the counterbalance constituted by America's founders was a Republic where the Rule of Law was intended to constrain the Rule of Men.

The inability/refusal of Trump's cult to articulate that intent is very troubling, and revealing.

Judas Goat  posted on  2019-12-11   14:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Peromischievous leucopus (#12)

It is a problem rooted in Wilsonian internationalism. It only arose in the last century when America coveted the status of a Great Power and which it sought to establish by taking over the failed elements of the Spanish empire. The results have been consistently dismal including the political effects of allowing the politics of Europe to gain an American audience.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-11   15:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)

It is a problem rooted in Wilsonian internationalism.

Nah, the problem goes back a lot further than that.

The Bible documents repeated incidents where the state became an object of worship instead of God's instrument for the lawful governance of fallen humanity.

Korah, Pharaoh's former treasurer, wasn't the first - or the last - to assume dominion over the faith of others ala state-established fraud.

Judas Goat  posted on  2019-12-11   15:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#11)

We saw that with the brief Senate trial of Xlinton.

His guilt was obvious. No need to drag out the trial.

But what took Ken Starr two years only took the Democrats two months. Someone has to do a thorough investigation. I say do it at the Senate trial.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-12-12   11:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Absolutely agree...go for blood!! Punish the RATS/RINOS into electoral submission...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2019-12-13   16:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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