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Title: RAW FOOTAGE: Balloon, aka NASA "Satellite" Floats Across Full Moon
Source: YT
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAfdkWy0QtE&feature=youtu.be
Published: Feb 3, 2018
Author: Flat Earth Dude
Post Date: 2019-09-28 17:41:37 by Liberator
Keywords: NASA, Satellite, Balloon
Views: 25545
Comments: 184

(Video taken through a Nikon P900 camera)


Poster Comment:

Cool! Great shot of the Moon as well. (Sure doesn't seem like it's 239,000 miles away.)

So.... is balloon technology how NASA really photographs earth? It appears they are able to attach an equipment gondola to the Balloon...and let 'er rip into Low Earth Orbit.

One also wonders if "Astronauts" are actually embedded into a special Balloon gondola instead what's depicted in those dodgy "ISS" shots. Orbital velocity is the velocity needed to achieve balance between gravity's pull on the satellite and the inertia of the satellite's motion -- the satellite's tendency to keep going. This is approximately 17,000 mph (27,359 kph) at an altitude of 150 miles (242 kilometers). Without gravity, the satellite's inertia would carry it off into space.

Moving juuuust a bit slower than 17,000 MPH. Source:

'HOW STUFF WORKS'

https://science.howstuffworks.com/satellite6.htm

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#84. To: Liberator (#80)

And when the Earth is between the Sun and the Moon, the Earth casts a shadow on the surface of the Moon, and the shadow is fucking CURVED, as in coming from a SPHERE.

I don't think you've researched the phenomena of "eclipse" much.

Try your mindless bullshit on Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Start at 2m23s

https://youtu.be/hLPPE3_DVCw?t=143

Start at beginning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLPPE3_DVCw

StarTalk
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Neil deGrasse Tyson takes on the subject of our spherical world, and this time he has not only science but history on his side. If you want to follow along and then test your knowledge, enroll in this Brilliant course:
https://brilliant.org/StarTalk/

Note: In illustrating a total lunar eclipse we used a bit of animation that didn’t portray Earth’s umbra and penumbra accurately. To see a graphic that accurately depicts both portions of Earth's shadow in space, visit
https://www.startalkradio.net/shedding-light-on-earths-shadow-in-our-recent-youtube-video/

nolu chan  posted on  2019-10-03   19:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Liberator (#79)

Aren't you the one who actually believed Elon Musk floated a CAR in "Outer Space"??

No. "Space" "floated a car in space" because everything in space is weightless.

Planets float in space. Do does the Sun. Just in case you don't know,they are all heavier than a car.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-03   21:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: sneakypete (#85)

Planets float in space. Do does the Sun. Just in case you don't know,they are all heavier than a car.

Well, heavy is kind of a relative term.

They recently celebrated the first orbit of the car out to a near-Mars trajectory. Musk says they might someday send a small launch just to take some photos of it to see how badly space has treated it.

Since space is really hard on things, the car will just disintegrate mostly. After a year of cosmic rays and unprotected solar radiation, all the car's paint, tires, plastics, and leather have already turned to space dust, a little cloud floating around the decaying car. The metals and carbon fiber parts will last somewhat longer. Some years from now, it will be aluminum frame and what little bits of glass haven't been broken by micro-meteorites that keep bashing it.

It's still the only vehicle certified as a road vehicle to be launched into space. Funny, Musk shopped it around and offered free launch space to the Air Force and NASA and they all turned him down. They wouldn't put their stuff on his rocket. He flies it once (with all 27 rocket engines firing and then spectacularly lands both boosters in tandem back in Florida and the core booster on his barge at sea) and now they line up to pay him to launch stuff on his Falcon Heavy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-03   22:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#86)

Well, heavy is kind of a relative term.

Weight measures the force of gravity. To compare objects floating in space, mass would be the measurement of comparison.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-10-04   1:24:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#87)

Weight measures the force of gravity.

Which is why I said it was a relative term.

On round (oblate spheroid) Earth, it is the force of attraction between your own mass and the immensely greater mass of the planetary gravity well.

On Flat Earth, there is no such thing as gravity. They insist that objects fall to the ground because the entire Flat Earth, sun and moon and the firmament (base of the flat earth) are all thrusting "upward" toward the sky. So objects do not fall to the ground at all; instead the ground is constantly rising up to hit the (falling) object. Thus the notion of gravity that we know from Newtonian physics is just another fancy lie promulgated by NASA, the government, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, the Build-a-burgers, and all those smart kids who passed science, math, and physics. And they're all wrong or just lying about it. To hide the fact that the Earth is both flat and is thrusting "upward" eternally.

Flattards are what you get when you neglect science education while still raising kids to believe they're all very special and smart.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   2:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: nolu chan (#84)

Try your mindless bullshit on Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson.

WHO??

The embarrassing, beclowned McScience Shill?? Who next? Bill Nye??

*cringing*

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/21/scientists-who-are-actually-really-stupid-1-neil-degrasse-tyson/

Scientists Who Are Actually Really Stupid: #1, Neil deGrasse Tyson

He says Venus is suffering from global warming, for instance.

His Twitter feed, naturally, is packed to the gills with daft comparisons, meaningless apples-to-oranges number crunching and red meat for his hyper-progressive fan club.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   7:13:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Tooconservative, ALL (#88)

Flattards are what you get when you neglect science education while still raising kids to believe they're all very special and smart.

HA!

What a bizarre comment. "Science Education"?? "Raising kids"?? Remind us again -- what is your Doctorate in? For how long did you quash the curiousity of while teaching/indoctrinating your 7th grade pods?

Actual "Science"? NOT your forte. GATE-KEEPING and DIS-INFO is. Bravo! The best propaganda always contains some truth as you have always managed. (The purposeful mis-spelling above of "Build-a-burgers" is always a cute touch, btw.)

Your Elite Masters don't care about holding the fort at so small a forum (as you claimed recently) at LF.

I know...It galls you; The free flow of hidden information that exposes your heroes. Yes, your Gatekeeper Efforts commendable, if a bit OCD.

If any curious posters and lurkers want to investigate any of the above organizations , please do. As with all "controversial" sources, you'll want the truth, so ignore mainstream sources. Prepare to be amazed, disgusted and shocked at what you find.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   7:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Deckard (#82)

From your video it appears that much of the world remains in darkness all the time seems to me.

No offense.

The "Sunlight" is not to scale. Nor is it the proper coverage. It as I mentioned is a simple demo of the sun's theoretical direction on a Flat Earth -- as well as its circuit that create seasons.

It is NOT CGI enhanced, obviously (which NASA Studios/Hollywood $$ does routinely.)

(There was also an interesting brief theoretical simulation of how the Sun and Moon are perhaps magnetically "attached" to the Earth.)

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   7:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Liberator (#91)

Liberator you aren't to smart. You are gullible. God sits on the circle of the earth.

It is pointless to debate retard stuff like this. It is like debating that a square wheel is better than a round one. Or some such stupid shit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-04   7:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Deckard (#83)

Somebody or several somebodies do not want this information to be seen.

Same thing happening with numerous other sites that are anathema to those who preach the official government dogma...

That is exactly what these subjects ALL have in common: Accounts that are anathema to "official government dogma" are being declared "dangerous." It can't be a coincidence.

It's Twilight Zone/Black Mirror Orwellian predictive programming run amok.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   7:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: A K A Stone (#92) (Edited)

God sits on the circle of the earth.

The first line of Isaiah 40:22: “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth.” Do you know the difference between "circle" and "Globe" or "Ball"?

God does. Don't believe me -- LOOK. IT. UP. "Waters ABOVE the Firmament"; Water BELOW the Firmament. I can cite chapter and verse which support this realm is NOT what we ALL once gullibly believed (from Institutions and Authoritahs that do nothing but LIE to us. Or DO you believe them?)

Liberator you aren't to smart. You are gullible.

Do you know the definition of "gullible"? And "irony"??

"It is pointless to debate retard stuff like this."

You mean "stuff" like "TRUTH"? If that's a problem for you, just let me know.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   7:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#94)

God does. Don't believe me -- LOOK. IT. UP. "Waters ABOVE the Firmament"; Water BELOW the Firmament.

Yep the earth was surrounded by water. The floodgates of heaven were opened up and it rained on us.

You are gullible. No sense in arguing a retarded point. You're a decent person but you're as wrong as you can be. Like TC said you will convince on one of your delusions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-04   8:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: sneakypete, Deckard, GrandIsland, nolu chan, A K A Stone (#85)

"Space" "floated a car in space" because everything in space is weightless.

And you know this because...We've been taught this for 100 years in our "Science" book? "Science" is TESTED. The "floating" demonstrations you see on the ISS are sloppy pull-wires, CGI, and other tricks that are DOCUMENTED.

The entire Space X and Car/Musk stunt with the car was matted on a CGI background. Because it was LIVE, the techs didn't react immediately to it (didn't you watch the video I posted??)

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   8:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Liberator (#96)

e "floating" demonstrations you see on the ISS are sloppy pull-wires

You've gone full retard now. Bye.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-04   8:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: A K A Stone (#95) (Edited)

Floodgates of the Heavens (as well as "The great founts of the deeps below the Earth) were indeed opened up; But the water above the Firmament remains. It's not as though God ran out of water above the Firmament.

You are gullible. No sense in arguing a retarded point.

There are numerous points -- all interrelated to this realm called "Earth," as well as with respect to the Cosmos -- i.e. the Moon, Sun, and Stars (ALL by the way of which are placed within The Firmament according to the word of God in Genesis. Again -- don't take my word for it. READ IT.)

Like TC said you will convince on one of your delusions.

TC has gaslighted you?? Wow.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   8:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: A K A Stone (#97)

I hope you and TC have a beautiful Honeymoon.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   8:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Tooconservative (#86)

They recently celebrated the first orbit of the car out to a near-Mars trajectory.

That car,with the fake-suited astronaut behind the wheel,HAS to be THE coolest thing ever launched into space.

Doing that was a pure stroke of genius. Not quite up to landing the rockets at the sage sites they took off from from a practical point of view,but cool none the less.

Nobody can doubt the genius of Musk as a salesman.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-04   11:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Tooconservative (#88)

Thus the notion of gravity that we know from Newtonian physics is just another fancy lie promulgated by NASA, the government, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, the Build-a-burgers, and all those smart kids who passed science, math, and physics.

Clever bastids,ain't dey?

They ain't fooled weuns,tho!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-04   11:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Liberator (#96)

Space" "floated a car in space" because everything in space is weightless.

And you know this because...We've been taught this for 100 years in our "Science" book? "Science" is TESTED. The "floating" demonstrations you see on the ISS are sloppy pull-wires, CGI, and other tricks that are DOCUMENTED.

The entire Space X and Car/Musk stunt with the car was matted on a CGI background. Because it was LIVE, the techs didn't react immediately to it (didn't you watch the video I posted??)

You're funny.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-04   11:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: sneakypete (#100)

That car,with the fake-suited astronaut behind the wheel,HAS to be THE coolest thing ever launched into space.

It's now widely regarded as the most effective car advertising gimmick in the history of advertising.

Musk managed to use both of his major companies, Tesla and SpaceX, to cross-promote each other in a unique and unprecedented way. Musk said it had an added benefit of expanding the ideas of what we can launch into space and do in space. Which is his mission in life.

He does have a knack for this stuff. Like when he sold his Not A Flamethrower flamethrowers. He skirted legal niceties and sold 20,000 for $500 each, all on pre-order in five days. He could have sold a few million of them if he'd wanted to. I don't doubt they'll become collectibles. Nice way to net $10 million in sales without even trying, all based on a throwaway joke tweet by Musk. Someone called him on it and he decided to take the challenge and had his engineers crank out a design in only a few days. After some testing and legal work, Musk shipped them only a few months later.

TheVerge: I have a Boring Company Not-A-Flamethrower

Yeah, you could just buy/build a weedburner which is about what they are. But Musk's is a lot more fun because it comes in a gun-like format to make your neighbors a little nervous.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   11:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Liberator (#89)

Since 1996, Neil Degrasse Tyson has been the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York City.

All your life, you have been a sniveling asshole.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-10-04   13:14:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: sneakypete (#100)

Nobody can doubt the genius of Musk as a salesman.

He IS just the face, a "salesman" for the Tesla, Space X, the entire "We be going to Mars soon!!" teenage wet-dream -- on that we agree.

(Though there's no way any of what is presented as his "ideas" and "invention" are his; nor the financing of such expensive projects.)

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   13:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: nolu chan (#104) (Edited)

All your life, you have been a sniveling asshole.

Would you like to have an actual debate of facts regarding eclipses -- or would you rather engage in presenting one's case (punctuated by this kind of childishness?)

Hey -- it's not MY fault you regard the dubious showman McD Grasse so highly.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-04   13:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: nolu chan (#104)

Since 1996, Neil Degrasse Tyson has been the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York City.

True enough. He does have a degree in astrophysics. But his day job is running a planetarium projector for the stoners and talking politics at night for the Dems on CNN & MSNBC.

He has the degree but no one is offering him a real job as a working astrophysicist. Tyson is an affirmative action astrophysicist; I think his entire career can be summed up by observing: he's black. I don't think he could be even be considered a fairly serious astronomer, like Carl Sagan for instance. Whether you liked his politics or not, Sagan was a real brain and was a force in astronomy and astrophysics for about 50 years. I'm not sure even Hawking was ever so influential as Sagan.

Bill Nye is another supposed science authority. He got a BS in mechanical engineering at Cornell, worked for some years at Boeing before trying his hand at comedy. That led to his gig at PBS for a puny 5 years on his own show. Then, when those late-Nineties kids grew up, Netflix hired him as a familiar face from the childhood of the Millennials and gave him a show to preach global hotting to them based on that previously established reputation from their childhoods.

Just because Sagan and Hawking are gone doesn't make Tyson and Nye into real scientists. They're no more impressive now than they ever were, maybe less so since they've graduated to using their fame to pretend they have expertise outside of fields in which they hold degrees. And they do that on a regular basis.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   15:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Liberator (#105)

He IS just the face, a "salesman" for the Tesla, Space X, the entire "We be going to Mars soon!!" teenage wet-dream -- on that we agree.

The Falcon Heavy which sent his car into a near-Mars orbit was entirely capable of going to Mars. The car was not sent to Mars because that would have required a full upper-stage with all the propulsion and thrusters and communications and computers. Musk was only after the initial certification so he could then pursue the nine different types of Pentagon launch contracts. Which is what he is doing.

His big rocket, Starship, a rocket capable of launching 30-40 Tesla cars to Mars could make its first run to Mars as soon as 2022. And then return and land on Earth under its own power.

When Musk starts flying Starship, the Flat people are going to find it very hard to deny the reality of outer space. There will simply be too much evidence, too many ways for amateur astronomers to see and track these stainless steel spaceships.

(Though there's no way any of what is presented as his "ideas" and "invention" are his; nor the financing of such expensive projects.)

Musk did get a lot of early venture capital from his buddy Sergei Brin at Google. Musk was producing real products in demand unlike Google with its creepy Google Glass and other spying tech so Musk was a good investment, even as just a write-off to avoid paying taxes. But Musk's success with SpaceX is so considerable that he really doesn't need Google's money any more. Musk's estimated worth is now $19 billion. But he bet everything he had on SpaceX and the first Falcon launch. He would have been almost dead broke if it had failed because Musk spent all the money he made from Paypal on SpaceX.

Musk is getting ready to launch his low-earth internet constellation to blanket the earth in internet access. It's called Starlink and will consist of ~7,500 satellites in low-earth orbit. And they will all be launched on SpaceX Falcon 9 rockets. He launched the first 60, as a test, in May 2019 and it was a perfect deployment, as tracked by radar from Earth. I watched it in real time, as I and many other space nerds watch everything SpaceX launches and deploys.

Musk is undoubtedly the greatest industrialist of the 21st century. He is likely to become the greatest entrepreneur of the 21st century except Bezos (currently #1) saw where Musk was going and the vast fortunes to be made in space so Bezos started Blue Origin to build big rockets, just to frustrate Musk and try to deny him that top dog status. Musk vs. Bezos? I say Musk unless Bezos really found his own von Braun. And no one thinks he did 'cause all the real talent wants to work for Musk.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   15:40:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Liberator (#106)

Would you like to have an actual debate of facts regarding eclipses

No, I do not desire to debate your insanity. Your bull shit deserves no respect, and will receive none from me.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-10-04   16:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Tooconservative (#108)

But his day job is running a planetarium projector

Yes, the Hayden Planetarium has a staff one one and he runs the projector.

He has the degree

Yes. Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson "has a degree" as you put it. Actually, the Dr. appellation infers he has more than one degree. The schools were Harvard and Columbia. He has a bachelor's in physics from Harvard, and a Doctorate in astrophysics from Columbia.

He does not run the projector. Dr. Tyson is "director of the Hayden Planetarium and worked on an extensive renovation of the facility, assisting with its design and helping raise the necessary funds. The $210 million project was completed in 2000, and the revamped site offered visitors a cutting-edge look at astronomy."

If you feel a flat earth idiot is more knowledgeable about flat earth than a guy with a doctorate in astrophysics, well bless your heart. Carry on and don't let me disturb your intellectual search for truth on Youtube, or flat earth threads on LF.

Good luck with the effort of you and Liberator to weigh the car of Elon Musk in space.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-10-04   16:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: nolu chan (#110) (Edited)

If you feel a flat earth idiot is more knowledgeable about flat earth than a guy with a doctorate in astrophysics, well bless your heart. Carry on and don't let me disturb your intellectual search for truth on Youtube, or flat earth threads on LF.

I think there is nothing especially outstanding about Tyson's career. Certainly, he is more of a celebrity than astrophysicist like Sagan was for many years. And Tyson, like Nye, get a steady bit of attention from the libmedia outlets and they make statements on political matters as part of their public persona.

And I don't think the West will fall to Flat Earther drivel any time soon. If anything, the public consensus against Flat Earth ideas are stronger as a result.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   18:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: nolu chan (#110) (Edited)

Good luck with the effort of you and Liberator to weigh the car of Elon Musk in space.

Elon Musk does more to educate people against Flat Earth ideas than almost anyone. You can't argue with all those launches and the new satellites in orbit. It is a reason why Musk seems to be hated by the Flat Earther types. Musk's goals are to make space launches an order of magnitude less expensive. Musk wants lots more space launches and space travel. So the best way for Musk to achieve that is to drive the costs down considerably with reusable rockets.

There are millions of Americans who see these launches and see the first-stage launchers return and land some minutes later. Musk has launched on the West Coast too.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   18:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: sneakypete (#100)

Nobody can doubt the genius of Musk as a salesman.

Musk is actually capable of creating technology companies as a real entrepreneur. He does things. He really wants to change the way Americans think about space by cutting launch costs to a small fraction of what they have been for decades. SpaceX reusable rockets are a revolutionary change in the launch business. Everyone is realizing that SpaceX is gobbling up the launch market and getting ready to dominate the heavier launches like Pentagon satellites with Falcon Heavy rockets.

Musk is a major disruptive force in the launch industry.

Some of the competition like the EU space agency are looking to make their own reusable rockets. So are the China, India, etc. Russia seems to have announced recently that they're going to build another 10 Proton launchers, probably trying to keep those assembly lines open. Proton is based on their old 1965 design, nothing modern about it. Their new Angara rockets are upcoming, including crew versions. None have reusable rockets so the launch costs will be much higher than Musk's.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   19:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Tooconservative (#108)

His big rocket, Starship, a rocket capable of launching 30-40 Tesla cars to Mars could make its first run to Mars as soon as 2022. And then return and land on Earth under its own power.

That's HUGE,and I don't care who you are or what standards you pretend to hold. Anybody that claims it isn't huge is a clueless fool that needs to be ignored.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-04   20:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: nolu chan (#109)

No, I do not desire to debate your insanity. Your bull shit deserves no respect, and will receive none from me.

That is not like you,but I can't blame you on this one. When someone won't even believe their own eyes because they think they are lying,you just have to give up.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-04   20:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Tooconservative (#112)

Elon Musk does more to educate people against Flat Earth ideas than almost anyone.

I guess DISH and DIRECTV hang their satellites from the dome of the firmament.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-10-04   20:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan (#112)

Elon Musk does more to educate people against Flat Earth ideas than almost anyone. You can't argue with all those launches and the new satellites in orbit. It is a reason why Musk seems to be hated by the Flat Earther types. Musk's goals are to make space launches an order of magnitude less expensive. Musk wants lots more space launches and space travel. So the best way for Musk to achieve that is to drive the costs down considerably with reusable rockets.

Musk may/probably will,go down in the history books as "The Henry Ford of Space Travel".

And he will deserve it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-04   20:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: nolu chan (#116)

I guess DISH and DIRECTV hang their satellites from the dome of the firmament.

Naw,they use crop dusters flying around in circles.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-10-04   20:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: nolu chan (#116)

I guess DISH and DIRECTV hang their satellites from the dome of the firmament.

Well, you don't get very consistent answers if you ask the Flat Earthers whether the moon and the sun are 1) inside the dome or 2) outside the dome or 3) the moon is inside the dome and the sun is outside the dome. Apparently the Flatters think that satellites, if not a complete NASA deception, are nothing more than big dirigible balloons that fly around the upper atmosphere of the flat earth. So they think that the Directv/DISH satellites are actually big balloons that mimic the behavior and the position in the sky of a satellite. So they might even be seen by telescopes from Earth and even appear at precalculated positions of the sky but that doesn't mean anything; it just means that NASA's deception is so cunningly constructed that the fake satellites/dirigibles do mimic the sky position of the satellite they are pretending to be. But of course they're all just fake NASA dirigibles, not actual satellites.

There is no way to soften the implications of such a belief system. It's just so fundamentally wrong that it is tragic.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-04   20:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan (#119) (Edited)

Nolu: ("I guess DISH and DIRECTV hang their satellites from the dome of the firmament.")

TC, believe it or not I will give you points for at least attempting to frame the Flat Earth/Firmament Realm & paradigm (or as you put it, "Belief System") within the scope of honesty.

In your defense, for those who've grown up marinated in the "Space Race-John Glenn-Moon Landings" years (or, having worked for any government institution -- AND still trust them), the far less likely it is that you will more accepting of changing gears and re-considering the possibility (or strong probability) that our reality is not as we've been told.

I'll address your skepticism separately. AS BULLET POINTS.

a) "You don't get very consistent answers [from] Flat Earthers"

TRUE.

That's because "Flat Earthers" are not monolithic in belief. They may be comprised of both Christians AND Atheists; May base fundamental beliefs on the Bible, Science, Common Sense, Observations, or overlapping; The one consensus: Governments, "Authoritahs" and "Science" Communitah LIE.

b) There are "inconsistent answers" from Flat Earthers on "whether the moon and the sun are 1) inside the dome or 2) outside the dome or 3) the moon is inside the dome and the sun is outside the dome."

TRUE. There is no consensus on these assertions.

Again, these answers coincide on whether the individual "Flat Earther" relies on Scripture for support of cosmological placement.

c) "Apparently the Flatters think that satellites, if not a complete NASA deception...nothing more than big dirigible balloons that fly around the upper atmosphere of the flat earth."

TRUE.

I'd posted the same video assessment and revelations that actually document the NASA deceptions (SEE ABOVE, Post #54) which actually have and still do launch and use giants Balloons (no, NOT "dirigibles") for Satellites propulsion and monitoring of Earth. But only from Low Earth Orbit. Documented: "Space Stations" like Mir were launched and propelled via Balloons/"Gondola."

The extent and degree of past & present NASA deception, fraud, and hoaxing has not been difficult at all to document and prove.

d) "They think that the Directv/DISH satellites are actually big balloons that mimic the behavior and the position in the sky of a satellite."

True (in a sense)

Communication "Satellites" are nothing but very high "substitute communications towers" which are local and NOT "spinning around the globe at 17,000 MPH" (the speed which is most documented as necessary to maintain earth orbit).

The medium of the vast majority of "Direct TV/DISH"-type communications and reception remain those fancy phone and communications towers you see everywhere -- including atop the highest buildings.

e) "NASA's deception is so cunningly constructed that the fake satellites/dirigibles do mimic the sky position of the satellite they are pretending to be."

Building "Satellite Dishes" are pointed in a particular direction OF A PARTICULAR TOWER according to one's geographical position -- and set in parallel positions. NOT "straight up into the sky." The Dish on your roof is certainly NOT constantly tracing a moving "Space Satellite" either.

(Q: Exactly which direction in the sky would your roof Satellite Dish be pointed if "Space Satellites" are allegedly orbiting the globe at 17,000 MPH? How would that work when your specific particular Satellite is on THE OTHER SIDE OF EARTH OVER CHINA?)

There is no way to soften the implications of such a belief system. It's just so fundamentally wrong that it is tragic.

Once one connects the huge dots and learns the truth about NASA, "science," and our actual realm, the very same thoughts occur to us. Except that your undying beliefs and loyalty to institutions don't enrage and trigger us.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-05   14:29:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: sneakypete, Tooconservative, A K A Stone, Deckard, ALL (#115)

When someone won't even believe their own eyes because they think they are lying,you just have to give up.

Speaking of someone, "believing their "own eyes," if it's on Tee-Bee, are you really sure you can?

HAVE YOU HEARD OF, Deep Fake? We are told this is OLD tech:

Do you realize how scary-close today high-tech CGI software simulates "reality" now is?

Check out this 3 year old CGI "space" software for beginners and intermediate users down below. It's called Blender.

Can you imagine the 2019-2020 Blender version for expert Users??

Space VFX Elements Video Course for Blender:

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-05   14:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#10)

[I thought Neil might like these videos; the first vlogger shows his test for dyscalculia based on an aircraft flight plan and says that no Flattard has managed to pass it with only a few even willing to try to. It reminded me of Neil's posts about aircraft flight plans on some old flat earth threads here at LF.]

Certainly all of us have our strengths and weaknesses in comprehension of various subjects and things. I know I have my weaknesses, so I can empathize with others who have them, even if they are weak in areas I'm strong in. TC, I remember you posting that photo that showed one of the Apollo landing sites from the lander with the earth hugely lit behind it on the horizon. I pretty much knew immediately it was doctored as the earth wouldn't be on the horizon for any Apollo mission, and the shadows didn't match earth's spherical illumination. Earth was also way too detailed for the cameras they had back then. It was a beautiful shot designed for desktop backgrounds, but was not real. That stood out to me but not to yourself, I suppose, and others. Certainly you're better than me in other areas.

Then there is at least one person on this site for whom it is not possible for police to ever commit a sin. It could be said that that person suffers from a form of "dyscalculia" related to police. I'm sure many of us would say similar for those with "Trump derangement syndrome" because they cannot fathom Trump ever doing anything good. Another person here is a baseball, hot dogs and apple pie version of the worst of head-chopping ISIS members, yet still professes Christianity.

I've said before and say again, My theory is that people have an overwhelming ability to believe things even if they are completely untrue. Liberator, whom I still do like and respect, believing the earth is flat is a validation of that theory, which I've subscribed to even before I read of his stating his belief. It's the same reason why most people's religious beliefs reflect that of their parents, no matter what the faith is-- Christianity, Judaim, Islam, Buddism, Hinduism or even Atheism. If it were otherwise then we'd see religious beliefs homogenously spread throughout the world, but we don't. Entire countries are by and large one faith, and remain so from one generation to the next.

So.... that's okay. It's the old cliche. Do you/we accept people who see the world differently than we do? Or do we make a big stink about it and call them stupid? The old saying comes to mind, which I like:

A fool thinks himself wise, but a wise man knows he is a fool.

And when you think about that quote, it inescapably means that all of us are fools. The only difference is that some of us know it, and some of us don't.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-06   3:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Liberator (#20)

FACT: Given NASA's own "Scientists" admit" "WE CAN'T LEAVE LOW EARTH ORBIT" (But they're "working on it!").

The statement I heard was, I believe, taken out of context.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-06   3:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Pinguinite, Liberator (#122)

Or do we make a big stink about it and call them stupid?

We shouldn't call Liberator "stupid"...that's a harsh word. How about gullible, that's better.

Are you a fool, Pinguinite? I don't think so, except when it comes to God. It seems you can't use your excellent logic to bring yourself to a sufficient understanding of God.

watchman  posted on  2019-10-06   7:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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