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Title: Is Vaping Marijuana Safe? Deaths and Lung Disease Linked to E-Cigs Call That Into Question
Source: Time.com
URL Source: [None]
Published: Sep 14, 2019
Author: Jamie Ducharme
Post Date: 2019-09-14 07:57:48 by GrandIsland
Keywords: None
Views: 494
Comments: 54

Vaping THC may be behind many of the serious lung diseases that have been tied to e-cigarette use––raising concerns about an increasingly popular way of consuming marijuana, which many consumers view as a relatively safe habit.

Up to 450 people have developed illnesses and at least four people have died after using e- cigarettes, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) officials said on a call with reporters Friday. While the CDC and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have not found a device, product or substance that is linked to all cases, a paper published Friday in the New England Journal of Medicine suggests that many sick individuals vaped THC, a compound in marijuana, before developing an illness, either instead of or in addition to nicotine. CDC and public-health officials confirmed this finding.

The investigation threatens to shatter many people’s perceptions of marijuana as safe and natural, an opinion that has gained steam as the drug is legalized in more and more states. A 2018 Gallup pollfound that Americans largely view both marijuana and e-cigarettes as less harmful than cigarettes, and that more than 40% of respondents thought marijuana was “not too” or “not at all” harmful. But a growing number of illnesses apparently tied to vaping THC may change some users’ minds—and remove the health halo that often surrounds vaping.

The recent illnesses have surprised Ziva Cooper, research director of the University of California Los Angeles Cannabis Research Initiative. “If you had called me a month ago and asked me about the risks of vaporizing relative to smoking, I would have had a very different answer based on the literature thus far,” Cooper says. “This is an issue that deserves immediate attention.”

E-cigarettes work by heating substances—most often liquid nicotine, but also marijuana flowers or compounds suspended in oils—into aerosols that can be inhaled. Although it’s a source of debate, this process is thought to be healthier than traditional smoking, since burning substances such as tobacco or marijuana creates byproducts that can harm the lungs and overall health. Cooper says a handful of studies on vaping cannabis have suggested that using e-cigarettes is less harmful to the lungs than smoking marijuana.

Perhaps in part because of that belief, vaping marijuana has grown increasingly popular. In Colorado —the poster child of legal marijuana use—there was a 78% increase in the number of marijuana concentrates (a category that includes vape products) sold to consumers from 2017 to 2018, according to state Department of Revenue data. (Marijuana flowers still make up a larger share of the total market, the data shows––but the proportion is changing as concentrate sales rise.)

And it’s not just legal users who are vaping marijuana: About 13% of high school seniors said they had in a federal survey released in December 2018. And the CDC has specifically warned consumers against using “bootleg” vape pen cartridges.

By 2022, U.S. cannabis concentrates sales, driven by vaping products, are projected to hit $8.4 billion—only slightly less than sales of marijuana flowers, according to a report from marketing firm Arcview, which focuses on the cannabis industry.

It’s likely that the processing of THC, rather than the compound itself, is the cause of recent lung issues, says Jacob Borodovsky, an epidemiologist at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis who has studied vaping. To produce vape pen liquid, THC is suspended in an oil solution that often also includes chemicals to alter the flavor or consistency of the mixture, which users then heat and inhale. “If I had to bet money on whether or not THC is causing these lung-related issues, I wouldn’t put it on the THC compound itself,” Borodovsky says. “I would put it on the way in which the THC is prepared and delivered.”

Since the regulatory process for vape oils is “pure chaos right now,” it’s hard to know which chemicals have been added, and even if what’s on the label is accurate, he says. The FDA, for example, has issued multiple warnings to companies making inaccurate claims about the contents of products containing CBD, another compound in marijuana.

The FDA is now testing more than 100 product samples used by patients who developed lung diseases after vaping, in an effort to find out exactly what’s in them and what could be causing illnesses. New York state health officials on Thursday pointed to vitamin E acetate, an unauthorized additive in some marijuana vape pods, as a focus of their investigation. But on Friday, an FDA spokesman said, “No one substance, including Vitamin E acetate, has been identified in all of the samples tested” by the agency.

The spokesperson added: “Importantly, identifying any compounds that are present in the samples will be one piece of the puzzle but will not necessarily answer questions about causality.”

While the FDA attempts to stop cannabis products from making health claims, it does not regulate THC vaping products––in part because marijuana remains illegal under federal law. And though some states require companies to submit to random independent testing of their products, Borodovsky says, there’s little oversight before something goes to market—and even less for the “black and gray market companies” that have popped up as the industry has grown. “Just because it says lab-tested on the label, don’t believe that,” he says.

Products that contain less than 0.3% THC do not fall under Drug Enforcement Administration purview. And those that contain more are subject to a byzantine regulatory system that can prevent even scientists from studying their contents.

Since marijuana is classified as a Schedule I drug under federal law, the same category as heroin and LSD, researchers need special permission to work with it, and they’re limited to studying products that come from the only facility approved to grow marijuana for research: the University of Mississippi, which traditionally doesn’t produce things like vape oils and edibles. “We cannot study [some] products that are available to the public, which is a significant barrier to understanding the public-health implications,” Cooper, the UCLA cannabis researcher, says.

As the investigation into lung diseases continues, the CDC is advising consumers to “consider not using e-cigarettes,” and particularly avoid products that have been altered or purchased on the street.

Cooper agrees that people should be careful, and notes that plants may be a safer alternative to more processed products. “There’s enough concern for there to be a general statement that people should be very cautious about vaping,” she says. “It’s safer, if you’re going to vape, to go with plant product with a known device.”


Poster Comment:

This has gotta suck for Dicktard, and all the other pothead activists, when huge plumes of vape smoke is 1000% safer than vaping MARIJUANA. Imagine that, the substance (weed) that Dicktard continually propagates on this forum that it cures EVERYTHING... is now killing our lazy, gaming, retarded millennial youth. Personally, if you’re stupid enough to suck huge plumes of any chemical or PLANT into your LUNGS... simply for your enjoyment or because you’re too mentally WEAK TO STOP OR COPE... you deserve to die.

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#1. To: Dicktard (#0) (Edited)

How come this new alarming topic, wasn’t plastered on your favorite pro drug forum, today, BY YOU? This shit is gonna set back the millions of LAZY stupid potheads that predominantly vote socialist.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-14   8:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GrandIsland (#0)

I had read a study that found 24 out of 41 with lung disease were using a product called Dank Vape.

WWG1WWA  posted on  2019-09-14   8:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GrandIsland (#0)

and that more than 40% of respondents thought marijuana was “not too” or “not at all” harmful.

Gosh. Practically safe. Yet you have to be over 21 to smoke legal weed. Why not let 10-year-olds smoke it if it's that harmless?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-14   8:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: WWG1WWA (#2)

I had read a study that found 24 out of 41 with lung disease were using a product called Dank Vape.

The Dank Vape is an online company that sells cheap hash oil vaping cartridges at a discount price compared to their direct competitors.

I looked at their website and was surprised that they openly advertise "WE SHIP TO ALL STATES IN THE USA, CANADA & WORLDWIDE". That would include states where pot and especially hash and hash oil and similar products will get the user prison time if they are caught. The penalties are much harsher for possessing these concentrated products in most states that haven't legalized the products yet.

There are rumors that some people have been refilling Dank Vape cartridges (because they are so plentiful) with some adulterated product and then resell them at regular price. It's a way for scumbags to make money off their empty cartridges. The drug trade has always had such adulterated products. It would be no real surprise if it happened with the vape pen products as well.

LF's hash oil users should avoid these refillable cartridges entirely. One outstanding product that appeared very early in Colorado was Evolab's Chroma cartridges. Evolab uses CO2 extraction and no solvents in extraction or processing. They pursue the highest grade product, a near-pharmaceutical product because they want to compete at the high end of the market, not scrap around competing with the cheapo products that are processed with a lot of chemicals. So the factory-sealed Chroma cartridges cost about twice as much as the Dank Vape vape cartridges. There are a few other companies who are shooting for highly refined and targeted vape products of this type. EvoLab was one of the first to really succeed. They and a few other high-end THC oil companies are positioning themselves for becoming a prescription drug if/when the FDA reclassifies THC and CBD products nationwide.

Of course, I scarcely need to mention that all of THESE PRODUCTS WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT THEM. So don't buy them. I posted the picture above so LF's users can learn to recognize these hippie CARTRIDGES OF DEATH so they can prepare to call the FBI to rat out anyone they see using one of these SUICIDE VAPE PENS.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-14   12:40:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-14   13:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin, Deckard, buckeroo, misterwhite (#0) (Edited)

This has gotta suck for Dicktard, and all the other pothead activists, when huge plumes of vape smoke is 1000% safer than vaping MARIJUANA. Imagine that, the substance (weed) that Dicktard continually propagates on this forum that it cures EVERYTHING... is now killing our lazy, gaming, retarded millennial youth.

So, that's a Bad Thing, right?

Anyway, it brought to mind a few little posts that I recall from last winter, some posts you made to Gatlin and buckeroo. So I did a little search engine query.

LF: The 'Real' America: 21.5% Unemployment, 10% Inflation, And Negative Economic Growth

#7. To: Deckard (#0)

Made some money on Choom Holdings Inc today. Love those pot stocks.

OTCMKTS: CHOOF

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-13   21:35:17 ET


#8. To: GrandIsland (#7)

Made some money on Choom Holdings Inc today. Love those pot stocks.

I am disinterested in "CHOOF" but it is apparent that your considerations are. I have other stocks that seek market success in the marijuana supply chain ... but your "CHOOM" is not one of them.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-06-13   22:17:31 ET  


#9. To: buckeroo (#8)

It went UP 39% today.

How’d your stocks do, douche?

lol

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-13   23:04:01 ET  


#10. To: Deckard (#0)

The 'Real' America: 21.5% Unemployment, 10% Inflation, And Negative Economic Growth

Right.

The country has been in a recession for fifty years. We've produced generations who are good at going off to college and studying political activism. When they graduate they are not hirable to do anything. All they can do is make out of wedlock kids, use drugs, talk, and run for political office. Adulthood is the enemy of eternal teenagers. There are no quick easy fixes. It's going to require forty years to rebuild this nation with a new generation of adults.

rlk  posted on  2018-06-13   23:17:30 ET  


#11. To: GrandIsland (#9)

It went UP 39% today.

A new day ... today: Down 15%.

As a recommendation, get out from over the counter trades.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-06-14   22:42:55 ET  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

I placed a sell order, if the price dropped to 1.00 a share... and when the sellout happened at market open... I MADE MONEY.

I’ll re-buy CHOOM, when it gets down to .80 cents.

STFU

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-14   23:08:26 ET  


#13. To: GrandIsland (#12)

When I buy stocks, my focus is: "make a profit over tyme." Obviously, when you buy stocks in the market, is because you are so rich being a goddamed bureaucrat receiving a paycheck for doing NOTHING for society @large, you can lose in the market.

Obviously we differ in approach.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-06-14   23:16:53 ET  

So you are worrying over the nation's yout's and the health risks to them from the Devil Weed Marijuana. But you are also a capitalist and like those big profits from the pot/hash oil companies that you like to invest in for high profit margins.

Or did I miss something here? I certainly wouldn't want to circulate any false accusations. Those were your posts to buckeroo, exchanging stock tips on these marijuana companies last winter, weren't they?

BTW, those weren't the only hot stock tips for pot companies you made last winter.

It isn't clear to me how Deckard - who you accuse of promoting pot use on the forum and killing The Children with it - is culpable in anything. He isn't selling it, he isn't investing in it. OTOH, you (and Gatlin and buckeroo) are all pot industry profiteers, raking in money over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF.

Of course, I don't personally think such things about you guys but I am concerned that others might spread gossip about your previous posts and these apparent contradictions.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-14   13:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Teen was in the fight for her life after vaping a cartridge a day I Nightline

A cartridge a day? Like, 7-10 times the max recommended dosing?

When people recklessly overdose on something, it's a little ironic for them to turn into some modern-day Carrie Nation (pictured, right) and take a hatchet down to wreck the local vape shops, vigilante-style. But Carrie wasn't so pretty and photogenic. She had a face that would make a freight train jump the tracks. Or a drunk of a husband who prefer to drink himself to death rather than look at her again in the light of day.

This Vape Girl is a retard. And she is entirely to blame for her own lung problems and hospitalization.

Notice that she's pretty so it makes for a good news story. She's a photogenic face for a cause that Big Gov and LibMedia are already fighting. Hell, for all we know, she faked it all just so she could become the face of Vaping Gone Bad. Every one of these little whores is just after their 15 minutes of fame. Or infamy. They don't care which. Give this little gal a few years and she'll likely get spit out the bottom of the porn industry after making a name for herself and winning industry awards for her DVDA artistry.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-14   13:23:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#6)

Hey, I make no secret about it. All my extra cash is LEGALLY invested in companies that produce marijuana. I have always maintained that pot should be legal if you’re over 18... however, we need to STOP passing blame (a liberal trait). If some moron overdoses, smokes, vapes drinks booze... and DIES, it’s not anyone else’s fault but the deceased. Not the bartender, the drug dealer, the gun manufacturer, the brewery... and there is NOTHING safe or medicinal about POT.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-14   15:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GrandIsland (#8) (Edited)

Hey, I make no secret about it. All my extra cash is LEGALLY invested in companies that produce marijuana. I have always maintained that pot should be legal if you’re over 18... however, we need to STOP passing blame (a liberal trait). If some moron overdoses, smokes, vapes drinks booze... and DIES, it’s not anyone else’s fault but the deceased. Not the bartender, the drug dealer, the gun manufacturer, the brewery... and there is NOTHING safe or medicinal about POT.

Well, I noticed you hadn't gotten around to mentioning your investment strategies in your little blurb at the top of the thread. So I thought I'd refresh my recollection of those posts by you and bucky and Gatlin who are the entire contingent of LF's admitted pot industry profiteers.

I did ask you guys about the Canucki pot company Cronos, mentioning that my brother had held the stock for a few days, much as you guys do with daytrading pot stocks. But I didn't actually buy any pot stocks myself.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-14   15:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)

I did ask you guys about the Canucki pot company Cronos, mentioning that my brother had held the stock for a few days, much as you guys do with daytrading pot stocks

CRON is (imho) in the top 5 of the best marijuana stock. I’ve bought and made money off CRON. Currently, I have all my dough tied up in Aurora... and I think that stock has the most potential to triple my investment.... and, I’m slightly down at the moment, so I can’t sell. lol

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-14   17:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GrandIsland (#10)

I know you liked Aurora last winter too.

My pot stocks have settled down a bit... I’ve gotta just wait it out. I’m all in on Aurora., 1/11/19

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-14   18:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Yeah... I’m still all in. Bought at 7 a share.... went up to 11 bucks... then all weed stocks tanked a bit. As soon as Aurora hits 14, I’ll sell and then wait until it drops again.

HEXO is a good prospect as well.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-14   20:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative, GrandIsland (#6)

Or did I miss something here?
Uh, I could be wrong, but I think you may have because you said …
Anyway, it brought to mind a few little posts that I recall from last winter, some posts you made to Gatlin and buckeroo. So I did a little search engine query.
… and nowhere do I see the “few little posts” that “GrandIsland made to Gatlin” anywhere on the thread you are posting from.
OTOH, you (and Gatlin and buckeroo) are all pot industry profiteers, raking in money over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF.

I simply cannot recall any such posts where I “bragged here of LF” that I was “raking in money” from being a “pot industry profiteer.” Therefore, can you please refresh my memory by showing those posts to which you have referred?

Thank you…

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   6:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Thank you for the info, TC. I meant to check it out, but too much irl going on.

WWG1WWA  posted on  2019-09-15   6:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#13)

I simply cannot recall any such posts where I “bragged here of LF” that I was “raking in money” from being a “pot industry profiteer.” Therefore, can you please refresh my memory by showing those posts to which you have referred?

Instead of waffling around with language misdirection and making demands, why don't you answer a simple question.

Do you now or have you in the past owned pot stocks or THC/CBD-related stocks? Have you now or have you in the past discussed pot stocks or THC/CBD-related stocks with GI and/or buckeroo?

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-15   6:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

I simply cannot recall any such posts where I “bragged here of LF” that I was “raking in money” from being a “pot industry profiteer.”

Therefore, can you please refresh my memory by showing those posts to which you have referred?

Instead of waffling around with language misdirection and making demands, why don't you answer a simple question.

Do you now or have you in the past owned pot stocks or THC/CBD-related stocks? Have you now or have you in the past discussed pot stocks or THC/CBD-related stocks with GI and/or buckeroo?

Wrong question.

You never charged that I “now or have in the past owned pot stocks or THC/CBD- related stocks” or that I “have now or have in the past discussed pot stocks or THC/CBD-related stocks with GI and/or buckaroo”

You specifically charged that I bragged that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF.

The proper question to ask is:

Did you, BRAG with GrandIsland and buckaroo here at LF about being a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF?

I will answer that question with: No, I did not.

Now, post evidence where I “bragged” about “raking in money” and being a “pot industry profiteer” over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF.

It’s a simple task, either: Put Up or Shut Up …

You show evidence where I bragged about being “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF then I will apologize.

You show no evidence to specifically back up your charge and then you apologize.

Fair?

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   7:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#16) (Edited)

Stone, the issue here is not whether I did or did not at one time in the past own a pot stock. As I recall, I did own one, lost money and never bought any more.

The Issue here is that Tooconservateve charged that I “bragged” here on LF that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses of my pothead victims.

I expect Tooconservative to show exactly where I SPEFICIALLY did the bragging that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses here at LF – and not simply point to some place where I did at one time own a pot stock.

Owning one stock is not "bragging" here on LF that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses. Big difference ...

Am I wrong in demanding him to produce evidence in the horrific charge that I “profited over dead bodies of my victims” and as the owner of this forum do you expect him to back up his claim?

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   7:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin (#17)

I don't recall you mentioning pot stocks. I do recall buckeroo and grandisland talking about it. Only grandisland "bragged" about it. Unless I didn't see some posts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-15   8:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Only Grandisland bragged

As Kid Rock (a proud conservative, that bucks the socialist entertainment system) says...

“They say I'm cocky, and I say what...

It isn't bragging motherfucker... if you back it up.”

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   8:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#19) (Edited)

Did I ever brag to you that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses here at LF – and not simply state at some place where I did own a pot stock?

Or did I ever give you any reason to believe I was in any way bragging.?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   8:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GrandIsland (#19)

I put bragging in quotes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-15   8:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#18) (Edited)

I trade up to 20 stocks each day. And it is therefore hard for me to recall all my transactions. To the best of my knowledge, I can vaguely recall buying one pot stock and perhaps mentioning that to GI on a thread. I either did, or should have said, that the action in pot stocks were to volatile for this old trader. I still do not trade in pot stocks today.

I have been called names, and I call names. I have been insulted and I insult. I do this with the best of them as forum activity. But I never engage in malicious slander.

In all my years of posting, I have never had such a lying slanderous insult heaved upon such as TC did when he charged that I was "bragging" here on LF that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over “the” still-warm corpses of my victims.

I do brag and I do rake in money, but I don’t “brag” and do it "on pot stocks" and "over the still-warm corpses on 'my' pothead victims."

I think TC got carried away as he sometimes does – but this time he went way beyond all limits of civility and common decency with me.

I have seen you in the past ban posters for less offensive posts than the one TC made about me.

I have never asked you to ban anyone or to chastise anyone in any way.

And I am not doing that now.

I am however asking you at this time to either have TC prove his malicious charge or offer an apology which I will graciously accept.

I don’t believe this is too much to ask.

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   8:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#20)

Did I ever brag to you that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money”

Ah.... negative.

You just advised me that you are knowledgeable about the stock market.

I believe if anyone “bragged”... it was me, if you wanna call it that.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   9:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GrandIsland. Tooconseravtive (#23)

Did I ever brag to you that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money”

Ah.... negative.

You just advised me that you are knowledgeable about the stock market.

I believe if anyone “bragged”... it was me, if you wanna call it that.

Thanks

I knew that.

I just wanted your comment on record.

I think – just maybe – that I did mention buying one pot stock and I should also have said that I lost money. Pot stocks still vary too much for me to trade.

I would not say what you posted was bragging. And Stone said he put it in italics.

Take care …

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   9:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#24)

I just wanted your comment on record.

I even raised my right hand and swore... everything I was about to type, was the truth, nothing but the truth... So help...

You’re an honorable person Gatlin. Not only have you lived a productive, NON CRIMINAL LIFE, and contributed to your community, you served this great country. For that, I thank you.

Like me, you came here to post, to post in an AGENDA FREE environment, just wanting to post your thoughts, opinions and wisdom (learned through life experiences) on this forum, on a multitude of topics that interests you. But that was impossible... because of the AGENDA trash is here only for THEIR AGENDA, and your contrary opinion is not good for the AGENDA propaganda business.

So... we have what we have today. Two AGENDA-LESS posters, forced to have the AGENDA of being ANTI-AGENDA... because having agenda posters allowed free reign, is like having spam, infomercials and pop-ups all over the movie you’re trying to watch.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   10:15:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GrandIsland (#25) (Edited)

True.

What got to me was the slanderous remark about:
“… over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF.”

That malicious remark was totally uncalled for and absolutely unjustified in any way whatsoever.

It was Tooconservative just being downright mean and cruel ...

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   10:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#24)

I just wanted your comment on record.

I think – just maybe – that I did mention buying one pot stock and I should also have said that I lost money. Pot stocks still vary too much for me to trade.

On record? LOL

Whining and demanding apologies on an anonymous forum is silly. I've always said so.

I note that you finally admitted you have owned a pot stock.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-15   12:26:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#27)

I note that you finally admitted you have owned a pot stock.

I don’t think investing in pot companies, via the stock market AND supporting constitutionally sound drug/marijuana laws, are hypocritical or contradictory.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   13:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, BrandIsland (#27) (Edited)

On record? LOL
Truth is a good thing to always document.
Whining and demanding apologies on an anonymous forum is silly. I've always said so.
You have always said a lot of ridiculous things, blowhard.
I note that you finally admitted you have owned a pot stock.
Your brain in still not functioning. I said: “I think – just maybe“ – Now, didn’t I? Of course, I did. A “think” and a “maybe” is never an admission.

It is strongly noted by your absence of proof that you were once again speaking out of your asshole when you said …

OTOH, you (and Gatlin and buckeroo) are all pot industry profiteers, raking in money over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims and bragging about it here at LF.
… for you should plainly see now that I was never whining. I was just repeatedly showing you up as a liar because you could furnish NO proof of your charge.

I never said I was a “pot industry profiteer” and I never said I was “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses of your pothead victims “and [I did no bragging] about it here at LF.”

Let the record show that. Hee Hee.

It took you a long time to get back to me. So, I know that you never found what you were searching for during you long absence.

I am sorry, TC, I truly am. I once held you in high esteem. But now …

Stone, I trust that you can now see that because TC failed to prove his charge in any manner whatsoever. And since I believe that you will say nothing to him about not making malicious charges in the future, as I think you should - I therefore respectfully ask you to please delete - not close, but delete – this entire thread. I do not want my name associated with the lie told by Tooconservative for someone to come along and partially read the comments on this thread and not realize that TC lied.

I await your action and I say: Thank you.

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-15   13:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#29) (Edited)

I am sorry, TC, I truly am. I once held you in high esteem. But now …

I don't hold anyone in high esteem online. It's just an anonymous chat board.

I never understand how people think online chats with anonymous people are comparable to personal relationships, the kind where you spend time with another person.

It took you a long time to get back to me. So, I know that you never found what you were searching for during you long absence.

I wasn't that invested in it. Not worth spending Sunday morning on.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-15   14:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#29)

Stone, I trust that you can now see that because TC failed to prove his charge in any manner whatsoever. And since I believe that you will say nothing to him about not making malicious charges in the future, as I think you should - I therefore respectfully ask you to please delete - not close, but delete – this entire thread.

I want you to leave the thread intact. All these endless demands for an apology, the supposed Holy Grail of online vindication. Pages and pages of it. At one point, I think Gatlin started crying.

I relished each and every one of Gatlin's sobbing teary requests for an apology. Or Else!

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-15   14:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#0) (Edited)

All smoking of any substance whatever, including the vapor from burning candles and incense, and the smoke from campfires, is bad for the lungs. Done in great amounts or over long periods, it will do very predictable damage on a range from "some lost lung capacity" to "COPD" to "death by emphysema or lung cancer".

Anybody who says differently is a fool.

Vaping involves the inhalation of petrochemicals into the lungs - that's what carries the substances. Water vapor alone, without the "bubble maker" won't do it. (And yes, inhaling too much water vapor is not good for the lungs either, but nobody just inhales vapor, there's something IN the vapor, and whatever that "something" is, it's not going to be good for the lungs).

All this the world well knows, or ought to.

Seeing people damaged because of any addiction is sad, for me anyway. Seeing companies get rich peddling addiction makes me angry. I accept that people have the right to damage themselves if they want to - but I have no problem torturing the companies and investors who try to make money off human weakness. Yeah, people have "the right" to ingest things that are bad for them, but that doesn't mean that the people who get rich off of providing the means by which people seeking to ease their own pain end up killing themselves are not scumbags.

Teenagers who destroy their lives smoking, vaping and taking drugs ultimately have to bear the burden of their bad decisions. But that's no reason not go take away the money of the people who profited from selling the substances to them.

The sick people are screwed, by their own errors. I'm all for screwing the people who got rich selling them the shit that made them sick. The evil prey on the weak, and I have no problem at all preying on the evil. It is lucrative, and it pleases me greatly to do so.

"The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must."

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-09-16   8:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#29)

I therefore respectfully ask you to please delete - not close, but delete – this entire thread.

Need your diaper changed princess?

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-16   11:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#33)

Need your diaper changed princess?

Nope.

But it sounds to me that you have finally found something
you are qualified to do ...

*** snicker ***

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-16   16:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Tooconservative (#31)

I don't hold anyone in high esteem online.
I can fully understand that.
I never understand how people think online chats with anonymous people are comparable to personal relationships,
I believe that you don’t understand that. And I can “understand” how.
I wasn't that invested in it.
Of course, you weren’t.
Not worth spending Sunday morning on.
Absolutely not.

I trust that you had an enjoyable Sunday morning.

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-17   1:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tooconservative (#31) (Edited)

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-17   3:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36) (Edited)

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-17   3:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin (#36)

#36. To: Tooconservative (#31) (Edited)

Gatlin posted on 2019-09-17 3:11:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply



#37. To: A K A Stone (#36) (Edited)

Gatlin posted on 2019-09-17 3:17:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

So, what, you made some snippy reply to my post laughing over your weepy demand for apologies?

Then six minutes later you posted yet another whining demand for Stone to Do Something About Your Hurt Feelings.

Then you realized you look like a fool and deleted both posts. Is that about right?

I demand...an Apology. Or Else.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-17   7:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38) (Edited)

I just wanted you to know I have an Outstanding Demand For Apology against Gatlin.

That is all.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-17   7:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#31)

I spent time yesterday looking back through my income tax filings. I went line by line on the stocks I traded and I can say without reservations that I have never purchased a pot stock.

I then checked all posts from GrandIsland to me and listed them in my Post 36 and sent a message to you in Post 37. You as the owner of this forum can of course look directly at the original content of a deleted or edited post.

It was after I posted all the active GrandIsland / Gatlin links showing that I had never stated anyplace that I had purchased a single pot stock that I realize my work was not complete and I deleted the posts. Again, you can check to see what I deleted. I deleted the posts because realized that I needed to check all Gatlin / Buckeroo posts to seek the same results. I have now completed that. I can now state without any reservation that nowhere in the exchanges between GrandIsland, Buckeroo and I did I ever state that I purchased pot stocks or have any intention to do so.

While Tooconservacite has stated [Post 30] that he no regard for esteem on line because it just an anonymous chat board, I on the other hand hold a diametrically opposed view since I place as much honor in my screen name as I do my real name.

I can go back and redo all the links in Post 36 that showed the GrandIsland / Gatlin exchanges – and add all the links that show Gatlin / Buckeroo to prove to you that I never I never "bragged here on LF” that I was a “pot industry profiteer” and “raking in money” over the still-warm corpses of my victims.” In fact, I can prove that I never mentioned anywhere that I owned pot stocks – for I did not.

So, Tooconservative is telling you that he wants this thread left up [31]. Why someone would want the fact that he lied left standing is beyond my comprehension. But then, Tooconcervartive is who he is. A person who says he has no regards for esteem.

I can show you times where I said something wrong and you deleted the posts. I had no problem with that. It is obvious that I am having a problem with leaving a lie about me in this thread standing. Furthermore, I am not demanding anything and I never demanded an apology from Tooconservative. All I said was that I would accept it if one was forthcoming.

While Tooconervative continues to mock and convey contempt in his posts to you – I am simply asking again that you please delete this thread. I do not like the blatant lie that Tooconservative posted about me remaining on the forum.

In closing, I repeat to say that I made no demands as Tooconservative has insinuated. I am simply making a polite request to you. And I respectfully await your reply while fully realizing that in not reacting to my request you will have reactied to Tooconservative’s request to leave his lie standing.

This matter is of the utmost importance to me. I believe I have indicated this in a positive and polite manner to you.

Respectfully,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-17   8:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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