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Title: Poll: Younger Americans much less likely to say that patriotism, religion, and having children are "very important"
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HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/allahpu ... m-religion-children-important/
Published: Aug 26, 2019
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2019-08-27 17:38:54 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 2258
Comments: 19
Of course patriotism is important! I’m wondering, though, how angry we should be at a generation whose lives were wrecked by the Great Recession (and will be even more wrecked by the next recession) and whose future was mortgaged so that the country could pretend for a little while longer that it can afford entitlement programs for senior citizens. Like, there’s probably *some* blame to be placed for the civic alienation of young adults on the garbage generation we call Baby Boomers, no? The WSJ didn’t provide partisan splits on each question, but if you suspect that young Democrats are driving this collapse in basic American values, you’re correct: “In fact, the views of Democrats over age 50 were more in line with those of younger Republicans than with younger members of their own party.” Call it the AOC-ization of the Democratic Party. Thanks to the drift among progressives, the overall share of the public that says each of the values listed above is “very important” has declined significantly since 1998. As a society, we’re now nine points less likely to say patriotism is very important, 12 points less likely to say that religion is, and 16 points(!) less likely to say that having children is. The last of those is actually under 50 percent, in fact, with just 43 percent finding it “very important” to have children. If forced to choose between children and time on one’s smartphone, the choice is clear. Just one wrinkle. How much can we trust the age groupings in this poll? Putting the Silent Generation and the Boomers together doesn’t fully compute. Older members of the Silent Generation lived through World War II; Boomers were born after the war and have Vietnam as their most vivid military memory. You’re probably going to see some differences on patriotism between those groups. Likewise for the pairing of millennials and Generation Z. The former remember 9/11 and the Iraq war; the latter remember … I don’t know what. The financial crisis, maybe? Certainly the dawning of the Trump era. I’d be curious to know if there are any differences within these broad demographic pairings on basic values questions given their life experiences. What a horrifying result. 
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Article from HotAir, stole the graphic from Twitter. Given what has already been allowed to happen to them financially and what will happen when the next recession hits, this poll outcome is exactly what we should expect. (1 image)
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Call it the AOC-ization of the Democratic Party.
Wow! Look what she did in just 18 months.
#2. To: misterwhite (#1)
AOC is more a symptom than the problem.
#3. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#2) (Edited)
AOC is more a symptom than the problem.
Exactly. The system has to benefit all or at least large part of population.
When a small minority acquires most of the pie, the "loser" majority collects its toys and goes home. That is why to play Monopoly Game longer you need repeated resets or "New Deals".
Such truth is incomprehensible for those who were born with a silver spoon in mouth like GWB. Their feeling of entitlement is too overpowering. And incomprehensible for functionaries, whether working in propaganda (like Rush) or in the uniforms (like our dear Mr Whitey) They think, that the world owes them their position and it will last forever.
P.S.
One amusing example, one of the reasons why barbarians small in numbers were able to conquer populous parts of Roman Empire, was that the population did not have stake in the old system. Why bother, if new tribute is much smaller than imperial taxes, and there are no bureaucratic busybodies to make your life miserable.
#4. To: A Pole (#3) (Edited)
One amusing example, one of the reasons why barbarians small in numbers were able to conquer populous parts of Roman Empire, was that the population did not have stake in the old system. Why bother, if new tribute is much smaller than imperial taxes, and there are no bureaucratic busybodies to make your life miserable.
This is why the decline in patriotism should be concerning, per that other article.
If you feel your country is just exploiting you and that the system is rigged for the wealthy, why would you sign up to risk life and limb to defend it?
It's a very serious problem, probably a low mark in America since the Civil War.
People behave a lot differently when they feel they have no stake in the system.
This is what happened to the British empire in many ways. They were depleted and bled dry by WW I and WW II but I have always thought the Brits lost their will to keep the empire due to such class inequalities. America is now becoming a classed society with an elite so wealthy that almost no one can hope to achieve top-tier status unless they are already a member of the elite. Increasingly, people feel they have less chance of even holding on to middle-class status.
#5. To: Tooconservative (#0)
Interview the mass shooters and ask them whether they consider patriotism, religion, and children to be very important.
#6. To: misterwhite (#5) (Edited)
Interview the mass shooters and ask them whether they consider patriotism, religion, and children to be very important.
Kind of arguing from extremes there but I can't dispute your point.
Hopefully, mass shooters don't represent any large portion of the public.
#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)
Hopefully, mass shooters don't represent any large portion of the public.
They cannot, by definition. They would run out of mass to be shot ;)
#8. To: A Pole (#7)
They would run out of mass to be shot ;)
A comforting thought. Thank you.
I wouldn't find it nearly as upsetting if only they would identify and shoot at the real targets.
#9. To: Tooconservative (#6)
Kind of arguing from extremes there but I can't dispute your point.
Just saying the importance of these things is probably low among mass shooters, not that they cause mass shooters.
People always ask why. Well, take away patriotism, God, and the sanctity of life, and you're off to a good start.
#10. To: misterwhite (#9)
You're no fun at all.
#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)
You're no fun at all.
That hurts. I post funny videos all the time. Here's a good one:
#12. To: misterwhite (#11)
Didn't you post that same video just a few days ago? I think you're recycling.
#13. To: Tooconservative (#0) (Edited)
Article from HotAir, stole the graphic from Twitter. Given what has already been allowed to happen to them financially and what will happen when the next recession hits, this poll outcome is exactly what we should expect.
The Christian polling group Barna has been polling Gen Z and Gen Millennial for years. They just came out with the summary of their findings over the past few years. Very similar poll results from what you posted:
What Will It Take to Disciple the Next Generation?
Here's one of a few charts:
#14. To: Tooconservative (#12)
Didn't you post that same video just a few days ago? I think you're recycling.
You're right. Someone posted that to me on this forum. I forgot where I had gotten it.
Still funny.
#15. To: redleghunter (#13)
Well, the poll is from young people whose goals can change very rapidly over the course of a year or so. So it probably isn't quite as dire as your poll results suggest. But your poll supports the other polling in the article.
This is not a good picture for the younger generation or for the future of America, no matter how you try to slice the numbers.
#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)
The millennial data was telling. They want financial security before finishing their education and getting a job. You can't make this stuff up.
I guess they are waiting for their Boomer parents to kick the bucket to become financially secure.
#17. To: redleghunter (#16)
I guess they are waiting for their Boomer parents to kick the bucket to become financially secure.
Some of this reminds me a lot of the housing crisis in Italy and how it affects young people's entire lives. Some of the Italians are living in their childhood bedrooms until they're 35-40 so they can inherit the family home because housing is so expensive and unaffordable in so many places in Italy.
We don't want that here.
Other elements of the reporting reminds me of the "lost generation" in Japan. People packed into very tiny "apartments" (no bigger than an old Pullman berth for one person) for years on end, the impossibility of people in that situation to be considered marriageable, the difficulty in having anything of a social more than a little karaoke at the local bar or some online video games.
These are outcomes America must avoid.
#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)
These are outcomes America must avoid.
And outcomes the 2020 Dem field is promising.
#19. To: redleghunter (#18)
It does sound like AOC's dream for a socialist America.
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