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Title: Trump May Issue Exec Order Ending Citizenship For Babies Of Illegal Immigrants: Calls It ‘Frankly Ridiculous’
Source: DailyWire
URL Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/5090 ... nding-citizenship-hank-berrien
Published: Aug 22, 2019
Author: Hank Berrien
Post Date: 2019-08-22 11:07:24 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 501
Comments: 29

On Wednesday, President Trump stated that he is thinking of issuing an executive order that would prevent the children born on American soil to illegal immigrants from gaining automatic American citizenship, calling so-called “birthright citizenship” “frankly ridiculous.”

Trump told reporters, “Birthright citizenship — where you have a baby in our land, walk over the border, have a baby, congratulations — the baby is now a U.S. citizen. We’re looking at it very, very seriously.” When he was apprised that one reporter knew of Trump’s intent to go forward with an executive order, which he had mentioned in 2018, he responded, ‘‘I don’t know how you found that out, but that’s very good. We’re looking at birthright citizenship very seriously. It’s frankly ridiculous.”

In October 2018, speaking to Axios, Trump stated, “We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years, with all of those benefits. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end.” When interviewer Jonathan Swan asked whether he had “talked about it with counsel,” Trump answered, “Yeah, I have.” He was then asked where in the process he was, prompting Trump to reply, “It’s in the process; it will happen … an executive order, that’s what you’re talking about … I didn’t think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. Jonathan, I’m impressed.”

In 2010, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated that roughly 8% of children born in the United States were born to illegal immigrants, a total of 340,000 babies.

In 1993, Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), introduced the ‘‘Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993.” As even left-leaning Politifact admitted, “Section 1001, entitled ‘Basis of Citizenship Clarified,’ said, in effect, that children born in United States to parents who are illegal immigrants would not become U.S. citizens. And just in case there was any confusion about the matter, a press release that Reid’s office issued a day later states that the bill ‘clarifies that a person born in the United States to an alien mother who is not a lawful resident is not a U.S. citizen.’ Five years later, Reid switched his position, saying he was “embarrassed that I made such a proposal.”

Defenders of birthright citizenship claim that the 14th Amendment supports their position. The Amendment states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Vice President Mike Pence has differed, saying in 2018, “We all cherish the language of the 14th Amendment, but the Supreme Court of the United States has never ruled on whether the language of the 14th Amendment — ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ — applies specifically to people who are in the country illegally.”

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Trump is still charging hard on his biggest single issue as a pol. He hasn't settled for the status quo at all. I like that.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know
what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

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#2. To: Tooconservative (#0)

The Repugant and demoncrap elites will fight this with everything they have.

So just another day in America!

14th was made for Slaves and should be left at that. No other nation upon this earth does such a thing! We are still paying the price for slavery! Will it ever end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Justified  posted on  2019-08-22   12:57:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: Justified, Tooconservative (#2)

14th was made for Slaves and should be left at that.

Wrong, as clearly and explicitly demonstrated the by contemporary congressional debate on the amendment.

No other nation upon this earth does such a thing!



Jus soli, meaning "right of the soil", commonly referred to as birthright citizenship in the United States, is the right of anyone born in the territory of a state to nationality or citizenship.

Jus soli was part of the English common law, in contrast to jus sanguinis, which derives from the Roman law that influenced the civil-law systems of continental Europe. Jus soli is the predominant rule in the Americas, but it is rare elsewhere. Since the Twenty-seventh Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland was enacted in 2004, no European country grants citizenship based on unconditional or near-unconditional jus soli.

Almost all states in Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania grant citizenship at birth based upon the principle of jus sanguinis (right of blood), in which citizenship is inherited through parents rather than birthplace, or a restricted version of jus soli in which citizenship by birthplace is automatic only for the children of certain immigrants.

Jus soli in many cases helps prevent statelessness. Countries that have acceded to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness are obligated to grant nationality to persons born in their territory who would otherwise become stateless persons. The American Convention on Human Rights similarly provides that "Every person has the right to the nationality of the state in whose territory he was born if he does not have the right to any other nationality."

National laws

Lex soli is a law used in practice to regulate who and under what circumstances an individual can assert the right of jus soli. Most states provide a specific lex soli—in application of the respective jus soli—and it is the most common means of acquiring nationality. However, a frequent exception to lex soli is imposed when a child is born to a parent in the diplomatic or consular service of another state on a mission to the state in question.

Unrestricted jus soli

  • Antigua and Barbuda: Guaranteed by the Constitution.
  • Argentina
  • Barbados: Guaranteed by the Constitution. However, the Barbados Ministry of Labour & Immigration recently proposed ending automatic birthright citizenship.
  • Belize
  • Bolivia
  • Brazil (requires that the foreign parents are not working for their country's government in Brazil by the time the child is born).
  • Canada: Subsection 3(2) of the Act states that Canadian citizenship by birth in Canada is not granted to a child born in Canada if neither parent was a Canadian citizen or permanent resident and either parent was a diplomat, in service to a diplomat, or employed by an international agency of equal status to a diplomat. However, if neither parents were diplomats, the nationality or immigration status of the parents do not matter. Some Conservative Party members wish to end birthright citizenship in Canada to the children of tourists and unauthorized immigrants.
  • Chad (The choice to take Chadian citizenship, or that of the parents is made at 18 years of age.)
  • Chile
  • Costa Rica (Jus sangui requires registration with the Costa Rican government before the age of twenty-five)
  • Dominica
  • Ecuador
  • El Salvador
  • Fiji
  • Grenada
  • Guatemala
  • Guyana
  • Honduras
  • Jamaica
  • Lesotho
  • Mexico
  • Nicaragua
  • Pakistan
  • Panama
  • Paraguay
  • Peru (registration required at 18 years of age)
  • Saint Kitts and Nevis
  • Saint Lucia
  • Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
  • Tanzania: Per the Tanzania Citizenship Act of 1995, "any child born within the borders of the United Republic of Tanzania, on or after Union Day, 26 April 1964, is granted citizenship of Tanzania, except for children of foreign diplomats."
  • Trinidad and Tobago
  • Tuvalu
  • United States: The Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified in 1868, provides: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."[37] The concept of birthright citizenship applying to the child born of a foreign national in the country without proper credentials has never been formally litigated, but the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) allowed the government to deny citizenship to U.S.-born children only in the cases of children born to foreign diplomats and children born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory, and thus this decision is most often interpreted as barring the government from denying citizenship to a U.S.-born person based on the alienage of his or her parents.[38][39] (see United States nationality law).
  • Uruguay
  • Venezuela

    nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-22   16:07:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

    #16. To: nolu chan (#5)

    Wrong, as clearly and explicitly demonstrated the by contemporary congressional debate on the amendment.

    Trump is trying to move the bar on political discussion of the debate on birthright citizenship.

    You might even actually believe that Trump is doing nothing by taking this stance but it does certainly have a political effect. It sets the tone of political debate and sharpens policy positions of those in the GOP and in the other party. It enlarges the scope of action that may be proposed and still be considered part of the legitimate national debate on key issues.

    This is exactly what the professional pros consider to be moving the center of gravity in public policy debates. This is exactly what 0bama and Hitlery and their minions meant by the exercise of "soft power".

    Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-22   21:01:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

    #19. To: Tooconservative (#16)

    [Tooconservative #16] Trump is trying to move the bar on political discussion of the debate on birthright citizenship.

    Give him credit for moving the discussion. He will eventually concede that he cannot do it with an Executive Order and move the discussion toward an Amendment. Much immigration reform can be done with federal legislation and Executive Orders, but birthright citizenship provided for by the 14th Amendment cannot be changed that way. Trump knows that, but he can't get a discussion started with talk of an amendment.

    nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-22   23:07:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

    #21. To: nolu chan (#19)

    Give him credit for moving the discussion. He will eventually concede that he cannot do it with an Executive Order and move the discussion toward an Amendment.

    I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that concession from Trump. LOL

    And it may not be useful or even Trump's actual goal vis-a-vis his 2020 re-election bid. We can't ignore an incumbent's motives less than 18 months from his re-election bid.

    Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-22   23:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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