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Title: Trump May Issue Exec Order Ending Citizenship For Babies Of Illegal Immigrants: Calls It ‘Frankly Ridiculous’
Source: DailyWire
URL Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/5090 ... nding-citizenship-hank-berrien
Published: Aug 22, 2019
Author: Hank Berrien
Post Date: 2019-08-22 11:07:24 by Tooconservative
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Views: 502
Comments: 29

On Wednesday, President Trump stated that he is thinking of issuing an executive order that would prevent the children born on American soil to illegal immigrants from gaining automatic American citizenship, calling so-called “birthright citizenship” “frankly ridiculous.”

Trump told reporters, “Birthright citizenship — where you have a baby in our land, walk over the border, have a baby, congratulations — the baby is now a U.S. citizen. We’re looking at it very, very seriously.” When he was apprised that one reporter knew of Trump’s intent to go forward with an executive order, which he had mentioned in 2018, he responded, ‘‘I don’t know how you found that out, but that’s very good. We’re looking at birthright citizenship very seriously. It’s frankly ridiculous.”

In October 2018, speaking to Axios, Trump stated, “We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years, with all of those benefits. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end.” When interviewer Jonathan Swan asked whether he had “talked about it with counsel,” Trump answered, “Yeah, I have.” He was then asked where in the process he was, prompting Trump to reply, “It’s in the process; it will happen … an executive order, that’s what you’re talking about … I didn’t think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. Jonathan, I’m impressed.”

In 2010, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated that roughly 8% of children born in the United States were born to illegal immigrants, a total of 340,000 babies.

In 1993, Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), introduced the ‘‘Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993.” As even left-leaning Politifact admitted, “Section 1001, entitled ‘Basis of Citizenship Clarified,’ said, in effect, that children born in United States to parents who are illegal immigrants would not become U.S. citizens. And just in case there was any confusion about the matter, a press release that Reid’s office issued a day later states that the bill ‘clarifies that a person born in the United States to an alien mother who is not a lawful resident is not a U.S. citizen.’ Five years later, Reid switched his position, saying he was “embarrassed that I made such a proposal.”

Defenders of birthright citizenship claim that the 14th Amendment supports their position. The Amendment states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Vice President Mike Pence has differed, saying in 2018, “We all cherish the language of the 14th Amendment, but the Supreme Court of the United States has never ruled on whether the language of the 14th Amendment — ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ — applies specifically to people who are in the country illegally.”


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Trump is still charging hard on his biggest single issue as a pol. He hasn't settled for the status quo at all. I like that.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Defenders of birthright citizenship claim that the 14th Amendment supports their position. The Amendment states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Only if you believe these newborns of non-citizens are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". They're not.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-22   11:18:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#1)

Only if you believe these newborns of non-citizens are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". They're not.

"Subuject to the jurisdiction thereof" means subject to U.S. laws. Unless the child is imbued with immunity from our laws by being the child of an officially recognized diplomat or visiting royalty, the child is subject to our laws. That is very well settled law.

Trump is just trolling again. This is simply beyond the power of an executive order.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-22   15:40:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#3)

"Subuject to the jurisdiction thereof" means subject to U.S. laws.

Then that would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike. Jurisdiction means an exclusive “allegiance” to the United States and not to any other foreign government.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

Since birthright citizenship was implemented by executive fiat, it can be cancelled by executive fiat.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-22   16:41:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#6)

"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means subject to U.S. laws.

Then that would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike. Jurisdiction means an exclusive “allegiance” to the United States and not to any other foreign government.

No. That is just pure unsupported birther nonsense.

Accredited diplomats are immune from our laws. Their children who happen to be born here are also immune from our laws. Accredited diplomats can lose their accreditation and be ordered to leave, but they cannot be prosecuted.

Two illegal aliens are not mentioned in the text of the 14th Amendment. The citizenship status of the parents is not mentioned or relevant. A child born in the United States, without reference to the parents, if born subject to the laws of the United States, is a natural born citizen of the United States.

"Subject to the jurisdiction" has nothing to do with "an exclusive “allegiance” to the United States." If illegal aliens were not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, they could kill you and rape your wife and daughters, and could not be prosecuted for it.

Since birthright citizenship was implemented by executive fiat, it can be cancelled by executive fiat.

The 14th amendment is very clear, and it did not issue from executive fiat. Amendment or annulment of the Constitution is not with the power executive orders or congressional legislation.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

The language of the CRA was not adopted as an amendment to the Constitution. The language of the amendment counts and the CRA does not. The people did not ratify the CRA.

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