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Title: Foxes Spotted on Jerusalem Temple Mount in Claimed Prophetic Sign About Third Temple
Source: Sputnik
URL Source: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/ ... rusalem-temple-mount-prophecy/
Published: Aug 9, 2019
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2019-08-10 12:37:04 by Orwellian Nightmare
Keywords: None
Views: 171
Comments: 14

The site of the Jewish temple is still considered holy by believers. There is a prophecy that promises the temple will one day be rebuilt. A glimmer of hope that the foretelling could come to pass has arisen after a connected prediction about foxes heading to the remains of the Second Jewish Temple, the Western Wall, was fulfilled literally.

Foxes snooping around in Jerusalem ahead of a religious festival have inspired Rabbi of the Western Wall and Holy Sites Shmuel Rabinowitz to recall a prophecy about the Jewish temple being rebuilt on the Temple Mount, a site sacred for Jews.

“One cannot refrain from crying at the site of the fulfilment of the prophecy of ‘foxes will walk on it’”, he said as cited by The Jerusalem Post, making a reference to the Book of Lamentations (5:18).

The religious text, which tells the story of the first temple that stood in Jerusalem but was destroyed by the Babylonians, contains a prophecy saying that the site would be inhabited by foxes. As the Israeli outlet points out, a Talmudic tractate suggests that if this prophecy is fulfilled, then another prediction, made by the Prophet Zechariah, saying that the Temple will be rebuilt might also come true.

The fox sighting came ahead of the Tisha B'av festival, which is set to begin on 10 August and commemorates tragic events in Jewish history, includes reading from the Book of Lamentations.

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#1. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#0)

Very interesting. I'd never heard of this prophecy before.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-10   12:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Very interesting. I'd never heard of this prophecy before.

Me neither, it does not sound biblical, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

I have no doubt that the Temple will be rebuilt eventually though.

Orwellian Nightmare  posted on  2019-08-10   12:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Orwellian Nightmare, A K A Stone (#2)

Me neither, it does not sound biblical, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Well, it's kinda biblical. But the "prophecy" said foxes amid desolation on Mount Zion. I wouldn't call the modern Temple Mount site a "desolate" area. The bible tends to use "desolate" in a very absolute sense, like in the destruction of Jerusalem with not a foundation stone left unturned by the invading Romans who just killed everyone. Actually, Jerusalem and the Temple Mount have become less desolate every year since the Jews returned and established the Israeli state.

Jerusalem Post: Foxes seen walking near the Western Wall, fulfilling biblical promise

As the Jewish world is counting the days to the ninth of Av (Tisha Be'Av), the date on which Jews mourn the destruction of the two Temples in Jerusalem following its destruction by the Romans, foxes have been spotted walking near the Western Wall, a press release reported on Thursday.

It is written in the Book of Lamentations (5:18), which is read on Tisha Be'Av, that Mount Zion – where the Temples stood – will be so desolate that “foxes will walk upon it.” The understanding, according to the Talmud in the tractate Makkot (24b), is that if the prophecies of destruction have been fulfilled, so will be the ones by the prophet Zechariah about the Temple being rebuilt.

Rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz, the Rabbi of the Western Wall and Holy Sites, referred to photos of the foxes and commented, “One cannot refrain from crying at the site of the fulfillment of the prophecy of 'foxes will walk on it.'”

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-10   14:00:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#2) (Edited)

What do you think of the story that what is known as the Temple Mount is in truth the remains of the Roman fortress. That Solomons Temple was built in the City of David on a different site altogether. That the Dome of the Rock is a fight over what is perceived to be true, but is a fable. It is not like the people now called Jews were not deceived into having their enemies become Priests in the rebuilt second Temple. How much is truth, and where is the Priest class that was not diluted with "the evil ones"?

The Romans actually bulldozed, removed dirt from Mounts, to change the elevation of the Hills. The purpose was to destroy the peoples knowledge. If the destruction of the Temple was so complete, why the Western Wall? My understanding is that the "not one stone will be upon another" is a literal prophecy, and spiritual.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2019-08-10   14:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#3)

I wouldn't call the modern Temple Mount site a "desolate" area. The bible tends to use "desolate" in a very absolute sense, like in the destruction of Jerusalem with not a foundation stone left unturned by the invading Romans who just killed everyone.

Currently The Dome of the Rock (an Islamic shrine) sits atop the site of the Jewish Temple. Could it be that the term "desolation" in this instance refers to the blasphemous occupation of the site?

Either way I am somewhat skeptical of the significance of this event.

Same thing with the red calf that was born a couple of years ago. I don't recall that being biblical either but the Jews attach some spiritual meaning to it.

Orwellian Nightmare  posted on  2019-08-10   14:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jeremiad (#4)

What do you think of the story that what is known as the Temple Mount is in truth the remains of the Roman fortress. That Solomons Temple was built in the City of David on a different site altogether. That the Dome of the Rock is a fight over what is perceived to be true, but is a fable.

I wasn't aware of that.

Do you have any links that go into more detail?

Orwellian Nightmare  posted on  2019-08-10   14:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#5) (Edited)

Currently The Dome of the Rock (an Islamic shrine) sits atop the site of the Jewish Temple. Could it be that the term "desolation" in this instance refers to the blasphemous occupation of the site?

Hmmmm...the prophecies do speak rather plainly of an abomination of desolation set up in the holy place (the alleged Temple site).

However, the phrase "abomination of desolation" mostly refers to idolatry. In this case, committing idolatry inside the sacred Jewish temple. A historical legend, for instance, holds that Antiochus Epiphanies sacrificed a pig on the altar of the Jewish temple, surely the most cruelly profane act possible under Judaism. [Antiochus Epiphanies was a Seleucid conqueror a few hundred years before Jesus, the books of Maccabees are about his attempt to conquer Israel.) And the Revelation contains some further writing of the Antichrist instituting an abomination of desolation in a (rebuilt) Temple, the ultimate blasphemy.

So an abomination of desolation in the prophetic sense would seem to require a Temple for such blasphemy to be enacted inside of. Anyway, that's the sense you get from various bible passages. It seems to involve a dire blasphemy of Temple rites on its own premises.

Ancient Jews were very volatile on issues like this involving the Temple(s). Another historical legend tells of a Roman soldier who took a leak from his guard post on a Temple wall. An ensuing Jewish riot left 25,000 dead before the Roman garrison could put down the revolt. Very volatile indeed, in a way that I think most of us find hard to imagine realistically. We just aren't those kind of people any more. They were probably both a little more and a little less than we imagine them to be from the stories about them that have been handed down to us for many centuries.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-10   14:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)

That seems like a somewhat tendentious reading of the the scripture passages as compared to other passages which speak of desolation or desolate places.

However, the phrase "abomination of desolation" mostly refers to idolatry. In this case, committing idolatry inside the sacred Jewish temple.

I suppose that a case could be made that Muslim worship (in some form, prayers, et cetera. I assume so anyways.) goes on at the Dome of The Rock, the original site of the Temple.

I see your point, but apparently these Jewish Rabbis know more about this than you or I do.

It has been claimed that the Trump administration's recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel is a sign of the end times.

This chart here from End Times Truth makes the claim that it is.

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Orwellian Nightmare  posted on  2019-08-10   15:03:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#8)

I see your point, but apparently these Jewish Rabbis know more about this than you or I do.

Maybe they just know which side of the bagel is buttered when it comes to a little loose prophecy talk to generate donations or get some attention.

It is amazing to see the persistence of these prophecy timeline charts. It is a peculiar feature of prophetic presentations that is distinctive over a period of centuries.

I was kind of hoping we would go back to saying that Turkey/Erdogan was Gog/Magog as the threatening northern power trying to destroy Israel. Alas, it seems they are going to stay with Russia/Putin as Gog/Magog. It seems so dated, like Cold War era prophecy charts about the Soviets or old prophecy books by Hal Lindsey.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-10   15:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)

I was kind of hoping we would go back to saying that Turkey/Erdogan was Gog/Magog as the threatening northern power trying to destroy Israel.

Hadn't heard that one before. Was that one of Lindsey's prophecies?

Alas, it seems they are going to stay with Russia/Putin as Gog/Magog. It seems so dated, like Cold War era prophecy charts about the Soviets or old prophecy books by Hal Lindsey.

I read one of his books, The Late Great Planet Earth. Somehow it made sense at the time.

Orwellian Nightmare  posted on  2019-08-10   15:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#10)

I was kind of hoping we would go back to saying that Turkey/Erdogan was Gog/Magog as the threatening northern power trying to destroy Israel.

Hadn't heard that one before. Was that one of Lindsey's prophecies?

No, the bit about Gog/Magog being Turkey goes back well over a century in popular prophetic writings.

During that era, Turks were the major regional power in the entire Mideast. They ruled from Turkey to the south end of the Arabian peninsula. So they were a substantial empire that had been present as a Great Power for centuries and posed a serious military threat to Europeans since the era of the Crusaders. Until WW I when the Ottoman caliph allied his empire with Germany. This is the part where you recognize the theme of Lawrence of Arabia fighting the Germans by fighting the Turks and, in the process, beginning the end of Britain's and France's status as those who controlled trade and military policy in these areas of the Mideast. The Turks were united in a caliphate, a Muslim empire destined to conquer the world for Allah. It was the last caliphate to have international recognition over centuries and it went down when the Germans lost WW II.

Despite the fact that Russia=Gog/Magog is apparently the new hotness, the neo-Ottomans as the next Gog/Magog has some appeal as seen in this video.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-10   16:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#6) (Edited)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tzom66XhZ8

http://www.askelm.com/

http://www.askelm.com/TempBook/index.asp

Where are the Temples...rough paraphrase.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2019-08-11   0:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#0)

A glimmer of hope

No!

Lamentations has never been a book of prophecy. It is a lament.

Zechariah spoke to the people of his day...namely Zerrubbabel. Zechariah did, however, prophesy that Israel would look upon the One they pierced...and mourn.

The whole fox thing is a lie. They are building a temple for the anti-christ, the father of lies. God is not blessing what they do. Christ will destroy this abomination when His feet touch the MT. of Olives. Christ does not need or want this built just so He can return. (His return is based on the fullness of the Gentiles)

When Israel finally does look upon the One they pierced, in their mourning, aren't they going to ask "Didn't some Christians encourage us into this disobedience? Just to hasten the 2nd Coming? Why didn't they tell us the truth?"

When those Christians stand before the bema seat an account must be made...and I think it's going to hurt.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-11   7:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#0)

“One cannot refrain from crying at the site of the fulfilment of the prophecy of ‘foxes will walk on it’”

I always thought it was "bobcats will walk on it" or "musk oxen will walk on it" or "opossums will walk on it".

Something like that. It's almost as if this stuff can just be pulled out of thin air or something.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2019-08-11   13:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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