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Other Title: Hillarywp on her website asks Why Would They Lie About the Shape of the Earth? If you’ve heard about the Flat Earth theory then I’m sure you’ve asked yourself the question, Why? Why would they lie about the shape of the earth? It’s a pretty big lie, so there must be a pretty big reason! One of the biggest and most obvious reasons for such a massive lie is for money and world control. NASA makes billions a year off taxpayer dollars for one, and what is all that money going towards if it’s all fake? It takes money to fake a space station in a giant swimming pool and pay a bunch of computer geeks to create CGI’s of earth, but somebody’s pockets are getting full for sure.
NASA was started by men in the occult. All top level astroNOTS are Freemasons and the Satanic Kabballah is taught at NASA while the name “Jesus” has been banned. You can research this yourself. Clearly these men are not promoting science but a pagan religion and a sinister agenda.
The Occult Roots of NASA and the Ongoing Fraud
The Satanic elite have a Plan to create a one world government, or the New World Order, and to hide God and destroy Christianity. Some of Satan’s greatest deceptions and accomplishments have been to overtake the scientific world and convince the general population that we evolved from monkeys and primordial soup (the Evolution Lie) and that everything comes from a Big Bang. These are Satanic lies and I’m sure most Christians would agree. These lies remove God from the universe and destroy the belief in a six day creation. They also destroy the Bible’s validity. Many people have become atheists and God haters because of these pagan Satanic theories.
The Big Evolution Lie: Darwin’s Doctrine of Delusion Debunked But just think for a minute. What kind of earth does the Bible describe? In Genesis 1:16-17 it says “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them IN THE FIRMAMENT of the heaven to give light upon the earth.”
If God placed the sun and moon IN THE FIRMAMENT then how can they be 93 million miles away? And if it is then the Bible is false.
The flat earth is a stationary, non moving earth, set on a firm foundation with a close sun and moon set in the firmament, or inside the dome. The stars are above the firmament and the “universe” is small and close. We are not hurling through a vast expanding Big Bang universe. We are actually the center of God’s creation.
NASA KNOWS IT’S FLAT! NASA Report Describes a Flat, Stationary, Non-Rotating Earth
The theories of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, Atheism, the New Age movement, the New World Order, and the occult are all based on the ball earth theory. The spinning ball earth hurtling around a giant sun (Pagan Sun Worship) is the foundation for all these Satanic beliefs. Without the ball earth all of these lies fall apart and have no foundation. On the flat earth model evolution and the Big Bang don’t work. A flat stationary earth inside a glass dome with a close fixed “universe” of stars and wandering stars (planets) rotating around the dome points to a Designer! The flat earth points to God alone as our creator! It blows all of Satan’s deceptions out of the water. It reveals God as the true creator and points all creation to the Bible as the source of all truth, even science.
I’ve had many people now coming to me telling me they were about to become an atheist or were an atheist when they discovered the truth of the flat earth and now they are reading their Bibles!!! It’s amazing! We are on a solid foundation and protected by a dome! God is close and we are the valuable center of His incredible creation!
But Satan hates truth and of course he is going to attack this movement and get Christians to reject it and not even research it. But once people start researching it, there is no denying the truth. All true science points to a flat geocentric earth and the God of the Bible as its Creator. If the whole world knew we lived on a flat earth created by God as described in the Bible, Satan would no longer be able to deceive the world. The alien deception is also a lie based on the globe model. If earth is flat and there is no space, and aliens are revealed as what they truly are: demons!
Flat Earth Truth of the UFO Alien Deception
I hope this helps you understand better why flat earthers are so passionate about this truth. It is God’s truth for the last days!
60 Bible Verses Describing a Flat Earth Inside a Dome – Flat Earth Science and the Bible 200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball Poster Comment: Folks, the source to the Lies and Agenda (and war) is connected by the same tentacles, by the same people who share the same "god". The real "conspiracy" about our world is how the Ruling Global Elite atheists and sun-worshiper Luciferians have pulled off some of the greatest Psychological Operations is history What have they ALL in common The discrediting and dismissal of God, the account of Creation, and the account of the entire first chapter of the Bible, 'Genesis' (and with it, the underpinning of God's Truth So how exactly have been the masses (even "Christians") fallen for and been indoctrinated from birth to adulthood into rejecting the Creation account of Genesis and substitute and fully embrace an entire interwoven tapestry of the "Big Bang" LIE? The "Evolution" LIE? The 4.3 billion year old earth LIE? The Heliocentric Lie? The NASA LIE?... By indoctrinating everyone from the crib. This psychological coercion has been blasting us with "SEE THE GLOBE!!" "educational" and cultural images, drilling "BELIEVE OR ELSE!!" obedience into our brain so that any and all unproven/un-provable assumptions, pseudo-Science, and LIES quickly become rock-solid dogma and our immovable intellectual default. The primary casualty has predictably been...Belief in God and HIS Creation HOWEVER...there is now an ongoing been a Great Awakening. (To an important degree thanks to You Tube and its truth-revealing content creators. (9 images) Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Seekers of Truth, Engagers of Logic, Enemies of Lies (#0) This You Tube has been salvaged after having been banned, locked up, and buried by You Tube and G00gle. Thankfully it now sees the light again. The truth cannot be contained these days.
Stay with it -- your patience will be rewarded. You will see and hear a great deal of archival information that is DOCUMENTED along with a sane, measured conversations, and questions and answers that will cause intellectually, spiritually honest people to come to the same conclusion.
#2. To: Liberator (#0) QUESTIONS FOR FLATTARDS 1-4 By Cool Hard Logic CoolHardLogic Some fun while we wait for Part 3: Questions for Flattards.
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#3. To: Liberator (#0) The scientific term is "pseudo-profound bullshit," and there is measurement on the "bullshit receptivity scale." Yes, the time has come for scientists to address the persistent replacement of reason with pseudo-profound bullshit. https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/journal/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf
Judgment and Decision Making. Vol. Id. No. 6. November 2015. pp. 549-563 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovc1BHMsCaw
#4. To: nolu chan (#3) Here's an "abstract": By the thread-spamming like an 11-year old, you now look like a petty clown. Thanks for letting me know I live in your head, rent-free.
#5. To: Liberator (#4)
Here's an "abstract": I quoted the abstract. https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/journal/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf I linked to the entire scientific paper. Had I known you craved more than the abstract and didn't know how to follow a link to the entire report, I would have provided more. There are various interesting adjuncts to pseudo-profound bullshit. For example there are the Barnum effect, and baloney detection. Judgment and Decision Making. Vol. 10. No. 6. November 2015. pp. 549-563 On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit By Gordon Pennycook, James Allan Cheyner, Nathaniel Barr, Derek J. Koehler, Jonathan A. Fugelsang Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license. At 559-60:
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#6. To: nolu chan (#5) Had I known you craved more than the abstract and didn't know how to follow a link to the entire report, I would have provided more. I think we can resolve this problem with an abstract and forensic report on your alleged brain. (Can someone please email me the report and evidence one actually exists in your skull? Thank you.)
(Professor of Psychology, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania) THIS is how and with whom you base your entire case of "discrediting" the theory of Flat Earth Science?? Is this some kind of joke?? And pray tell -- just what would the subject of a pseudo-"Science" (referred to as 'Psychology' racket) have to do with observational and practical science? Or the physical realm of this world? OR, any "Truth" for that matter? Most people are well aware that psychologists, psychiatrists, and sociologists are the biggest head-cased on the planet. I personally know two of them very well -- batsh*t crazy. The entire mission in life for these people is projection of their own moral relativity and life-shortcomings, and proving *other* people are crazier than they are. One main reason: Most people in the "Psycho" business are humanists and atheists who dismiss the notion of a subservience to God and a Biblical world view -- which explains a lot, including their mental instability as a group. For citing the opinions of this group of psychologists (along with goofball liberal doctrinaire "Prof Dave") to support a position for which it appears you are totally ignorant, I have no other choice than to grade your efforts as an F- Now if you're willing to examine some Flat Earth evidence and theory (We are ALL taught the same "Globe Earth" theory), you can at least justify and dispute any claims or assertions. IF you refuse to do so you'll continue having ZERO grounds for ANY intellectually honest position...or to be taken seriously about ANY subject. If your position is that you have no interest in the Flat Earth subject, just say so. I respect people who are honest -- even if they disagree with my position. In that case, your admission of dis-interest would at least enable some degree of integrity.
#7. To: All (#6) (Edited) Folks, THIS is the way disinfo specialists and Gate-Keepers like Chan and NeverConservative try to prevent new information and truth from bleeding into the public sphere of consciousness... By distraction, thread-hijacking/derailing, and spamming. Why are they trying so hard to disrupt the flow of information to such an obvious degree?
#8. To: Liberator (#0) This is why I made the allegation that your belief that the earth is flat is based on the Bible. In that way, it would not be wholly based on honest observation alone. You have an agenda in proving the earth flat, just as you charge the Free Masons and the like have an agenda in advocating a global earth. For you, the earth *must* be flat because if it isn't then the Bible can't be the "Word of God", and life then becomes meaningless. That seems a pretty strong motivator. For me, as far as life's meaning goes, it doesn't matter what the shape of the earth is. Neither does evolution or the age of the universe. Perhaps that means I'm non-biased on this issue? But certainly, you must honestly concede you are biased. Yes? No?
#9. To: A K A Stone (#0) Trifling with the original titles, A K A? Bye.
#10. To: Liberator (#9) Yep. I'm not going to let some kook article proclaim it speaks for God. That would be sinful.
#11. To: Liberator (#9) Trifling with the original titles, A K A? Although I disagree with you on this topic - A K A shouldn't change titles because he doesn't like the content of the article. It's a petty and childish thing to do ![]() Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. #12. To: Liberator (#6)
(Professor of Psychology, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania) There is Flat Earth THEORY. There is no such thing as Flat Earth SCIENCE. A professor at the University of Pennsylvania, and the five Canadian authors of a scientific paper, trump your invocation of the anonymous Hillarywp whose known qualifications are running a kook website on Flat Earth theory.
THIS is how and with whom you base your entire case of "discrediting" the theory of Flat Earth Science?? Is this some kind of joke?? Of course, this is not the ENTIRE case of discrediting Flat Earth THEORY. There is the entire observable known universe for that. Flat Earth THEORY is based on bullshit. Neurological science delves into pseudo-profound bullshit and bullshit receptivity to explore why people, such as yourself, exhibit receptivity to bullshit. Explaining why people are receptive to pseudo-profound bullshit is directly relevant to explaining why Flattards are receptive to Flat Earth THEORY which is bullshit.
For citing the opinions of this group of psychologists (along with goofball liberal doctrinaire "Prof Dave") to support a position for which it appears you are totally ignorant, I have no other choice than to grade your efforts as an F- Your inability to attempt to rebut anything offered by CoolHard Logic or Psi Guy Dave yields your grade of F. You inability to produce a scintilla of your alleged "research" (The Dog Ate My Homework) yields a Dropped due to failure to participate. Disrupting with bullshit yields no credit toward participating with science. You espousal of blogger Hillarywp bullshit exhibits your high bullshit receptivity score - A+.
Now if you're willing to examine some Flat Earth evidence and theory You have not presented one scintilla of your alleged research on Flat Earth Theory bullshit. Due to your continued failure to provide your "research" bullshit, it is unavailable for examination. You have presented nothing more than the unaccredited bullshit of website wingnuts.
#13. To: A K A Stone, pinguinite, ALL (#10) This is my last post here. Thank you for hosting this forum and keeping it running like a top. WHY does "Flat/Plain Earth" matter?? For the same reason ALL of God's Truth Matters; Belief or disbelief in Genesis' Creation and the entire chapter of Genesis is the single greatest factor in any OR a continued belief in the Gospel for children as they become teenagers and young adults. "Globe Earth" leads to belief in Big Bang, Evolution, and Man replacing God for explanation and purpose of/for our world. And ultimately, synthetic Science is taught and sought for addressing Man's life and spiritual solutions. (Which was the Devil's First Lie in the Garden of Eden.)
(Give this courageous Pastor 12 minutes of your time):
A K A, in this case you are ill-advisedly attempting to redefine "truth" as a matter of personal perception and a world in which you and many others are deceived. The TRUTH "speaks for God." The BIBLE speaks for God. God = Truth. If you can find any willful lying and/or deception by this author, OR ANY author with respect to the assertions describing the Lord's Creation of this place -- especially in Genesis, Job, and Psalms, please point them out. With respect to the supposed "sin" of citing the testimony of Scripture to support God's "Flat/Plain Earth" world -- along with the rest of the self-contained "heavenly bodies" within the divinely-declared Firmament -- you are wrong. NOT because *I* say you are wrong, but because GOD says you are wrong. "Sinful" is a powerful indictment. I believe any information that actively promotes and advances and reveals the Word of God and Truth is anything but "sinful". (Again...Can you point out the evidence for the "sin" OR "lie" in this case?? Is something you may not understand considered a "sin"?) For your information, this particular "kook article" was written and shared by person whose only motivation is hoping to reinforce the weight and trust of God's Word with respect to how He created our world. That weight is indeed based on his faith and testimony of Scripture itself, along with several citations. Why are some people able to grasp and understand a world in which Scripture in Genesis clearly describes a Flat/Plain Earth, along with a self-contained system of stars, planets, Moon and Sun set within a Firmament?
There is such a thing as discernment of truth. It is a gift given to this author by the Holy Spirit. Yes, a "Gift" from the Holy Spirit -- that is one God's promise to Believers. (Whether you or others believe it or not.)
I'll also point out that over 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ Himself, the Apostles, and other Believers were accused of "sin" and regarded with disdain because they audaciously rejected the "religion du jour" along with its self-annointed gatekeepers of "Truth" -- i.e., the Pharisees. Personal observational and practical Science. A reality of a stationary, plane earth and a geocentric model for the stars, planets, Moon and Sun. At the very foundation for validation of this model as THE truth...is its author: God. The Bible itself. Either God and the Bible are lying or they are not.
So again, A K A -- I've appreciated your creation of a forum where free thought and truth could be shared. As a person, you have stood up and defended what matters in this mortal life; for life unborn and innocent, for liberty, and for Truth...And you've stood against perversion and lies. I don't believe you or others oppose these truths maliciously, by spite, or as a result of a nefarious agenda. Like most people, you and they reject and oppose a belief system which seems to threaten their world view. The refusal to invest time and energy in order to understand the subject may be just a matter of impatience, indifference or ignorance. OR...the matter of cradle to grave indoctrination of "Globe Earth" and risk of social ostracizing. AND THEN.... there is that other subgroup of forum dissenters who've anointed themselves "Gatekeepers" of newly revealed truth and information. They are Vandals of Honesty and Truth with a definite agenda. To my friends and acquaintances here over the years between FR, LP, LF (and yes, even at 4um)... I have enjoyed and appreciated your company, your camaraderie, sparring, challenges, and spirited exchanges; commitment to fighting the good fight, your devotion to truth and righteousness... the laughs, sense of humor, wit, sharing news stories and information day after day, year after year...and thank you for sharing your forum lives with me...and with one another. May you all continue battling this world's lies while seeking and pursuing the truth AND the Lord.... so that one day soon we shall see one another in His Eternal Kingdom. God Bless you and your families, Lib P.S. -- This one is for you, Stoner:
#14. To: nolu chan, Liberator (#12) You have presented nothing more than the unaccredited bullshit of website wingnuts. Often, I believe you are much more a progressive soul pushing BULLSHIT than anything Liberator could whip up.
#15. To: Liberator, nolu chan (#13) Well, before you go, you can enjoy this latest episode of Flat Earthers Full Retard Mode #24. Note: this is not just regular Flat Earth retard mode. This is the full Flat Earth retard mode.
#16. To: Liberator (#13) I believe I can understand your decision. I don't blame you one bit. Be well, friend. I suspect our paths will cross again one day.
#17. To: Liberator (#13) My solution to you posting these crazy articles was to change the title to reflect that it is't revelation from God but something else, and let you debate silly waste of time stuff. Maybe I should have just deleted it from the start huh. Take care.
#18. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#17) (Edited) Maybe I should have just deleted it from the start huh. And once again, another quality poster is driven away from this once vibrant and active site which is now dying a slow death due to the forum owner and his petty behaviour. ![]() Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. #19. To: Deckard (#18) You are a nobody with an opinion on everything. Fuck off.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#19) Fuck off. Stay classy sport. ![]() Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. #21. To: Tooconservative (#15)
Well, before you go Here, fixed it for ya.
Well, before you Neil DeGrasse Tyson devises a plan for what to do with Flattards:
#22. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#19) I still think you and Neil should consider reinstating the old Biker Bar feature. The feature did allow the site moderator to banish to one area all the articles and comments that the moderator didn't think rated a spot on the main sidebars. In the Pinguinite site source code, a comment on Cat Filtering (Biker Bar) mentions: "## CATEGORY FITERING DISABLED 3/4/2009 DUE TO HEAVY LOAD ON MYSQL SERVER WITH 90000+ ARTICLES" But computers are faster now, have more threads/cores, a lot more RAM, much bigger disks, options to use fast SSD disks (LF's entire MYSQL database can't be larger than the cheapest small modern SSD drives). And LF does currently have less than 60,000 articles on it, way less than LP had when they disabled the Biker Bar. The LF server should rather easily handle the slightly increased workload of supporting the Biker Bar feature. The site just doesn't seem to get as much traffic as LP did. You could always try to reinstate that Biker Bar and see how it works on your current server. It is sort of a middle ground. Content doesn't get banned but it does end up being segregated. You could also rather easily keep Google and other search engines from indexing site pages from the Biker Bar if you wanted to avoid attracting kooks on some given topic like religious apocalyptic or hardcore Truthers or people who advocate the kookiest JFK or moon landing conspiracy. And it is fair to segregate content that is out of the mainstream. There's no great reason to provide a sidebar to promote LF as a site with content that is way out of the mainstream. I also think that if you ever hope to see the site grow much, it won't happen if you have stuff like the Flat Earth and the chemtrails and other far-out content sitting right in the site's main sidebar which gets displayed on almost every page on the forum. You just won't attract the kind of posters you really want. Of course, Stone would have to be willing to glance down his sidebar and actually enforce it. I always thought that Biker Bar was one of the key features of the forum software.
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