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Title: Liberty & Tyranny by Mark Levin - A Book Review
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Published: Jan 24, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-01-24 10:22:12 by We The People
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Views: 34417
Comments: 72

I thought I'd get around to starting Levin's book today. Man, was I surprised to find fault in the very first paragraph. Actually, I wasn't surprised. IMO Levin is a neoconservative, so it's not really out of place for him to make the following statement:

Chapter One

On Liberty And Tyranny

There is simply no scientific or mathematical formula that defines conservatism. Moreover, there are competing voices today claiming the mantle of "true conservatism" - including neoconservatism (emphasis on a robust national security), paleo-conservatism (emphasis on preserving the culture), social conservatism (emphasis on faith and values), and libertarianism (emphasis on individualism), among others. Scores of scholars have written at length about what can be characterized as conservative thought. But my purpose is not to give them each exposition, as it cannot be fairly or adequately accomplished here, nor referee among them. Neither will I attempt to give birth to totally new theories.

LOL!

Good Lord, where do I start?

First of all, neoconservatives are not conservatives. Libertarians are not conservatives. Conservatives are conservatives and stating that a conservative can be any of these or any combination of these is ridiculous and only serves to water down the true meaning of a conservative.

For example, red is red and blue is blue. Add blue to red and you get purple. Add leftist positions to conservatism and you don't still have conservatism, you have neoconservatism, a moderate or in enough degrees, a liberal. Does Levin ascribe to the 'big tent' theory in which conservatives should allow all sorts of positions that traditionally are not conservative? Go along to get along? It would seem so.

Levin has a hard time defining conservatism because he doesn't understand it himself, or that would be my guess anyway. Not only does Levin start out by mischaracterizing conservatism, he also mischaracterizes neoconservatism, paleo-conservatism and libertarianism. Conservatives also believe in a strong national security which Levin attributes to neoconservatism, but conservatives don't believe in attacking countries preemptively who have not attacked us, nation building or policing the world.

A conservative is someone who wants to preserve, maintain and protect the Constitution as it was written, including the Bill of Rights, who wants to preserve, maintain and protect the form of government established by our founding fathers as outlined in our founding documents. A conservative wants to follow the advice given us by our founding fathers as to how our great country should work and conduct itself.

A conservative doesn't follow the Wilsonian, leftist position that we must project our strength and values around the world in order to remake the world in our image.

A conservative would follow the advice laid out by our first President, George Washington who said, "Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all. Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty."

It was Washington's belief that the United States must remain a neutral third party in order to survive.

Or Thomas Jefferson who stated, "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." Conservatives should then be against our entangling alliances in the UN, Nato, the WTO and any other multi-national organizations. Those organizations have done nothing for us except to erode our sovereignty and condition Americans to accept these alliances.

These are the visions of our founding fathers about how we should conduct ourselves around the world and it is THAT, that a conservative wishes to preserve.

A conservative definitely wants to preserve the culture of America as Levin puts forth about paleo-conservatives, including our form of government. A conservative has definite libertarian leanings and wholly agrees with our founding fathers vision on rights and liberties as laid out in our Bill of Rights.

A conservative DOES NOT adhere to the neoconservatives vision of foreign policy.

I'm looking forward to what else I might read in this book.

Has anyone here read it?

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#33. To: mininggold (#32)

Just more bad luck I guess.

Well, like war said, that God had a wicked sense of humor.

Bickus Dickus  posted on  2010-01-24   22:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Bickus Dickus (#33)

Well, like war said, that God had a wicked sense of humor.

But they had chosen status up to the time Jesus was preaching so that probably helped a bit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-24   22:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#34)

But they had chosen status up to the time Jesus was preaching so that probably helped a bit.

And what did that chosen status get them besides pain, misery, and no shot at an afterlife?

Bickus Dickus  posted on  2010-01-24   22:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Bickus Dickus (#35)

And what did that chosen status get them besides pain, misery, and no shot at an afterlife?

A best selling book documenting their misery.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-24   23:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: We The People (#0)

"IMO Levin is a neoconservative"

Why? Becuz he's Jewish?!!

Sheeesh...anybody who's listened to Mark Levin fer years and read his book knows Mark Levin is a genuine ReaganConservative.

That's good enuff fer...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mininggold (#5)

"Plus he's a neocon's neocon."

BULL $#!+ !! You have no clue about what yer talking about!! I lived up in DeeCee fer much of last year and listened to Mark Levin's radio show (6-9 M-F) regularly and I can assure you Levin is a genuine ReaganConservative.

Yer "neocon's neocon" assessment is KRAP...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: mininggold (#6)

"The push is on for the US to try to take over the entire Middle East by a rabid, extremely tiny minority."

BWAHAHAHAHA!! Whatta MAROOON!!

Sheeesh...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Bickus Dickus (#17)

"Why the hell they didn't go back to Egypt where life was good..."

Hey Mr. Lickus, only a braindead RAT would agree that a slave's life is "good".

What is with y'all?!

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Badeye, wart (#18)

"...nobody believes you ever got on the phone with Levin."

No shit!! The RAT-TROLL has been lying fer so friggin' long and so friggin' consistently that the only MORON who believes him is war himself...LOL!! And deep down, I don't think even war agrees with his own idiocy...but being a RAT- TROLL, first and foremost, he can't admit that even to himself.

(Shaking my head in a mixture of disbelief and disgust)...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Happy Quanzaa, wart (#23)

"And as far as pedophiles, gay pedophiles at that, are concerned, you're the one who supports Barack H. Obama and his fisting freaks. You're the one who is displaying those tendencies, I don't see where you got the nerve to accuse someone else."

Very well said...watch how the RAT-TROLLS always like to fantasize about other posters engaging in homosexual sex, pedophilia, and even bestiality. It's rather disgusting, I know, but it really turns on the Lefty RAT-TROLL Obamabots like wart and his little harem of RAT-TROLL wannabe's...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Happy Quanzaa (#25)

"I know you libs think it's politically incorrect to profile pedophiles, but I see a pattern here. Have you ever considered the priesthood?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA...snuck in a zing against Catholics as well...BRAVO!!

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Ibluafartsky (#26)

"Do conservatives want to keep negroes on the plantation?"

MORONic question...do you STILL beat yer wife?

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   7:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Mudboy Slim (#38)

and I can assure you Levin is a genuine ReaganConservative.

Well...that ends that...we have Nudge's word for it...

Now go paint your face blue and write some more bad lyrics...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-25   8:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#45)

He's heading into TLBSHOW territory. I think the meth is taking its toll.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-01-25   8:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Biff Tannen (#46)

It's funny watching those two chihuahua's sniffing each others' ass...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-25   8:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: war, mininggold, Bickus Dickus (#10) (Edited)

One of the things that he said when he hung up on me was "Satan can quote the bible too"...hilarious...I wish he'd post here...his meltdowns would rival Badeye's...

That's quite odd for a Jewish person to quote.

He's squarely in the neocon camp geopolitically but might be surprisingly ignorant about the fundamental precepts of both Jewish and Christian religion.

This isn't the first time he's muddled Judaism and Christianity.

Tooconservative  posted on  2010-01-25   9:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Mudboy Slim (#41)

Has he trotted out his laughable story about Molinari yet? (laughing).

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-25   9:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Badeye (#49)

Has he trotted out his laughable story about Molinari yet? (laughing).

'Smatter basslips? Worried I'll outdo your "dark nights on the Indian Ocean waiting for the go order"? Sorry...no way around that classic...

That asked, WHAT Molinari story? It must be one filed next to the 77 bucks an hour for turning four bolts story in your cabinet marked BULLSHIT...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-25   9:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TooConservative (#48)

That's quite odd for a Jewish person to quote.

When he gets going it all sounds like the AFLAC duck anyway...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-25   9:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Mudboy Slim (#38)

Yer "neocon's neocon" assessment is KRAP...MUD

Just because you refuse to learn the definition of a neocon doesn't mean he isn't one.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-25   12:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative (#48)

He's squarely in the neocon camp geopolitically but might be surprisingly ignorant about the fundamental precepts of both Jewish and Christian religion.

This isn't the first time he's muddled Judaism and Christianity.

He doesn't want to alienate most of his audience. He's a lawyer first and foremost...trying to make his case anyway he can.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-25   12:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Mudboy Slim (#40)

Hey Mr. Lickus, only a braindead RAT would agree that a slave's life is "good".

Ask your cousin Gomer to explain it to you.

Bickus Dickus  posted on  2010-01-25   12:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mudboy Slim (#39)

BWAHAHAHAHA!! Whatta MAROOON!!

Sheeesh...MUD

So you are saying a majority wants us to take over the ME? Or that no one wants us to take over the ME...... which is certainly not true.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-25   13:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mininggold (#55)

I'm saying that just because some folks believe our "national interests" include exerting military force in the Mideast--the source of much of our imported oil--to protect it from being overrun by, first, the Soviet Union, and second, by Islamofascist warlords, that doesn't thereby undermine their claims to have been long-time conservatives. Adding a "NEO-" in front of the "Conservative" many of us have been fer a long, long time is certainly meant to be a perjorative term, wouldn't you agree? Just the same as if I called you a "FAUX"-Conservative...it's not meant to be descriptive or informative, it'd be becuz I was being derogatory.

I am a proud, long-time ReaganConservative and I supported the liberation of both Kuwait and Iraq. I respect that there are opinions that think we overstepped our bounds in both situations and engaged in alleged military overreach, but I think those folks are short-sighted and wrong. Still, I don't think that view makes them any more or less of a "conservative"...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   15:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#55)

"So you are saying...that no one wants us to take over the ME?"

Certainly not...we know fer a fact that both Saddam Hussein and now Ahmadinejad want to take over the ME. However, I doubt yer really gonna get a whole lotta folks to believe that Dubyuh and his Daddy wanted to "take over the ME"...there's simply no evidence to support such an allegation...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-25   15:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Nudge (#57)

...we know fer a fact that both Saddam Hussein and now Ahmadinejad want to take over the ME

ROFLMAO...

Those scars on your lips now well explained...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-25   15:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Mudboy Slim (#37)

Why? Becuz he's Jewish?!!

Because he's Jewish?

What's that got to do with anything? I didn't even know he was Jewish.

LOL! Sorry, but that just struck me as funny.

No, not cause he's Jewish, but because of his support for Bush, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, things like that.

We The People  posted on  2010-01-26   19:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Mudboy Slim (#56) (Edited)

Adding a "NEO-" in front of the "Conservative" many of us have been fer a long, long time is certainly meant to be a perjorative term, wouldn't you agree? Just the same as if I called you a "FAUX"-Conservative...it's not meant to be descriptive or informative, it'd be becuz I was being derogatory.

It's absolutely descriptive and informative. It denotes a certain political philosophy just as conservative, liberal, libertarian, etc do.

That's something I just don't understand. A liberal will tell you that he's a liberal. A conservative, a libertarian, a progressive will all tell you what they are with no problem.

But NO ONE wants to claim the philosophy of neoconservative even though there CLEARLY ARE neoconservatives.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

We The People  posted on  2010-01-26   20:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: We The People (#60) (Edited)

I'm not even sure that I know what a "Reagan Conservative" is...is it what he said he would do or what he actually did? Reagan's fiscal legacy was deficits as far as they eye can see, an exponential increase of the debt, bank failures, inflation creep and a meltdown of the Farm Credit and Savings and Loan systems.

I believe that if Reagan hadn't lucked into the end of the Cold War [a war neocons seem hell bent to keep fighting against an ever fluid enemy including us] his foreign policy legacy would be Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait with weapons paid for by the US...

I just went and visited your buddy Mr. Cherry...he wishes he was here...

war  posted on  2010-01-26   20:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: war (#61) (Edited)

I'm not even sure that I know what a "Reagan Conservative" is...is it what he said he would do or what he actually did?

I couldn't tell you. I've often been puzzled by that one too.

He sure ran a good campaign, and said all the things conservatives wanted to hear. Too bad he couldn't deliver on 90% of them.

Reagan's fiscal legacy was deficits as far as they eye can see, an exponential increase of the debt, bank failures, inflation creep and a meltdown of the Farm Credit and Savings and Loan systems.

But he made some great speeches, and I mean that sincerely. He had the jargon down pat. Maybe that's the guide or primer for Reagan conservatives. I don't know.

I believe that if Reagan hadn't lucked into the end of the Cold War [a war neocons seem hell bent to keep fighting against an ever fluid enemy including us] his foreign policy legacy would be Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait with weapons paid for by the US...

Damn, you sure know how to hurt a guy! LOL!

But, I can't find much to argue with in your post. I've made similar arguments myself. I wish Reagan HAD been able to live up to his promises. I still can't help liking the guy.

We The People  posted on  2010-01-27   20:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: We The People (#62)

Realize something.

Reagan did not have a fiscal policy of deficits. He did have a lot to deal with. He wanted to end the gross inflation and heavily graduated tax tables which forced people into higher and higher tax brackets with no real increase in income.

He also sought an end to the cold war and had to deal with a pro Communist Congress (and I am not speaking figuratively).

Reagan did compromise with with Congress and signed a tax increase with the promise Congress would sign matching spending cuts.

Congress never obliged.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-27   21:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: We The People (#62)

Bro...I VOTED for Reagan in 1984...I voted reluctantly for Poppy in 1988 - how anyone could vote for Dukakis after that tank ride is a stumper - but was starting to have my doubts about GOP candidates walking the walk instead of talking the talk...Desert Storm sealed it for me...we goaded Saddam into invading...so I stopped voting for either party's candidate for POTUS after that year...

war  posted on  2010-01-27   21:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war (#64)

Bro...I VOTED for Reagan in 1984...I voted reluctantly for Poppy in 1988 - how anyone could vote for Dukakis after that tank ride is a stumper - but was starting to have my doubts about GOP candidates walking the walk instead of talking the talk...Desert Storm sealed it for me...we goaded Saddam into invading...so I stopped voting for either party's candidate for POTUS after that year...

LOL

Sleep it off dude.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-27   21:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: TooConservative (#48)

Bump for the dude...

war  posted on  2011-04-01   11:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#66)

You picked an old post to bump. My posting history is quite brief.

What I meant about Levin is that he seems unaware that Jews don't believe in hell or in the Devil. Or he does know and is just pretending to believe in Satan to pander to all the rubes out there in Radioland that lap up his every word.

Jews think Satan is an evil angel who is actually working for God, explained as similar to a king hiring a prostitute to try to tempt his son in order to teach him wisdom.

And hell to Jews is pretty much just a Purgatory, not an eternal fate.

So much for the whole Judeo-Christian nonsense. Christianity is a very different religion from Judaism and you can't paper that over.

But Levin certainly does use words in a way to gloss all this over, eh?

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-03-04   12:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TooConservative (#67)

You picked an old post to bump. My posting history is quite brief.

War has been banned.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-04   12:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: mininggold (#68)

Ah...why does that keep happening? Was it something he said?     ; )

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-03-04   13:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: TooConservative (#69)

Ah...why does that keep happening? Was it something he said? ; )

LOL. Even in the name calling category Stone loses.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-04   13:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war (#61)

Reagan's fiscal legacy was deficits as far as they eye can see, an exponential increase of the debt, bank failures, inflation creep and a meltdown of the Farm Credit and Savings and Loan systems.

Now tell us about Obamas fiscal legacy. Oh you are afraid to do that aren't you SwarE.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-04   15:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: mininggold, Tooconservative (#68)

War has been banned.

You are a liar. War isn't banned.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-04   15:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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