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Title: Unemployment rose in 43 states last month
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DCVDT80&show_article=1
Published: Jan 22, 2010
Author: Christopher S. Rugaber
Post Date: 2010-01-22 14:44:47 by Badeye
Keywords: None
Views: 12095
Comments: 49
Unemployment rose in 43 states last month Jan 22 02:05 PM US/Eastern By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER AP Economics Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Unemployment rates rose in 43 states last month, the government said Friday, painting a bleak picture of the job market that illustrated nationwide data released two weeks ago. The rise in joblessness was a sharp change from November, when 36 states said their unemployment rates fell. Four states—South Carolina, Delaware, Florida and North Carolina—reported record-high jobless rates in December.
New Jersey's rate, meanwhile, rose to a 33-year high of 10.1 percent while New York's reached a 26-year high of 9 percent.
Analysts said the report showed the economy is recovering at too weak a pace to generate consistent job creation.
"A lot of states that had started to add jobs (in November) gave up those gains in December," said Sophia Koropeckyj, managing director at Moody's Economy.com.
Texas and Georgia lost more jobs in December than they had gained the previous month, she noted, while Arizona and South Carolina lost nearly as many as they had gained.
That is consistent with nationwide trends. Employers shed a net total of 85,00 jobs in December, the government said earlier this month, after notching a small gain of 4,000 jobs in November.
In another nationwide trend, long-suffering states like California and Michigan saw their jobless rates stabilize even as they continued to bleed jobs. That's because thousands of frustrated workers gave up hunting for work and dropped out of the labor force, which means they aren't included in the unemployment rate.
California lost 38,800 jobs. But its unemployment rate was unchanged at 12.4 percent, the fifth-highest in the nation. That's because 107,000 people, or 0.6 percent of the state's workforce, gave up and stopped job-hunting.
Michigan shed 15,700 jobs, but 31,000 people left the labor force. That caused the state's jobless rate to fall slightly, to 14.6 percent from 14.7 percent. Michigan has the nation's highest unemployment rate.
Nationally, more than 600,000 people left the labor force in December, according to government data. The large exodus from the labor force indicates that "unemployment is a lot worse than the numbers suggest," Koropeckyj said.
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I recall it now...what that has to do with today, two decades later, isn't clear, but whatever.
#11. To: reaganisright (#9)
I feel like a damn fool
*cough cough*
#12. To: reaganisright (#9)
I feel like a damn fool...
...boy cheer up...you're used to it...
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#13. To: Badeye, Fred Mertz (#8) (Edited)
It was tough finding work in 81 and 82. I was working two jobs, putting my way through the police academy back then.
Funny...on another board you once waxed longingly about those dark nights on the Indian Ocean when you were there in 1981 waiting for the go order on a crisis that had already passed...
Badlie...the gift that keeps on giving...
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#14. To: war (#13)
Funny...on another board you once waxed longingly about those dark nights on the Indian Ocean when you were there in 1981 waiting for the go order on a crisis that had already passed...Badlie...the gift that keeps on giving...
{{{chuckle}}}
#15. To: war (#13)
Badlie...the gift that keeps on giving...
Now, I vaguely remember the Indian Ocean story. The police academy?
(insert eye roll here)
#16. To: Fred Mertz, CV snipe 66 (#15)
Now, I vaguely remember the Indian Ocean story. The police academy?(insert eye roll here)
CV snipe - wonder whatever happened to him? - was relentless on badlies for his lack of self control in tracking down personal information on posters and then publishing it on newsgroups. IIRC, Goldi banned CV over it for bringing it to a fundraising thread. Sadly, that made Spencer for Hire here even more bolder...
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#17. To: Brian S (#14)
In retrospect, he's still an asshole, eh?
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#18. To: Badeye (#10)
I recall it now...what that has to do with today, two decades later, isn't clear, but whatever.
You can't get by as a company overpaying employees, someone will undercut you. The Big Steel unions held a gun to Pres Ford's head in '76 and received a too large wage increase and idiot union workplace restrictions.
50K for a janitor was more than the best engineers I worked for made in the early '80s. I had friends that were engineers at BS and they made 1/2 what some janitors made because of "rules".
Guess what, the layoffs started as soon as the recession hit, Beth Steel was a huge employer and they were dropping employees and then engineers with many years on the job and keeping my younger friends. That ended just before they had enough years to qualify for a pension and were axed a couple months short.
Worst part I remember the '76 steel strike and told these guys it would kill the auto industry because the Japanese didn't buy from American mills back then. Took awhile, thankfully Ford is still standing. And they actually owned their own steel plant which I think they sold.
#19. To: reaganisright (#18)
Worst part I remember the '76 steel strike
That's a false memory, Gump...there was no USW strike in 1976. Bethlehem thought that it was going to get the steel contract for the WTC but lost out to fabricators who were using foreign made dumped steel. So it closed down its just modernized fabricating plant... modernized in part by USW members who gave concessions to Bethlehem for that modernization...
And OSHA, fool, was passed in 1970 when the Trickster was POTUS,
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#20. To: war (#13)
One of us served...the other was you, Fraud. Everybody else knows I got out in July of 81...but then again, you live a fantasy life on the internet, and a pathetic one OFF the internet, as you and I know.
#21. To: reaganisright (#18)
Unions destroyed manufacturing in this nation. We can't compete when you pay somebody 77 bucks to put six bolts on a transmission, or pay janitors 50k per year...or pay for a 'job bank' and GM for union deadbeats. Thats why I so enjoyed my work late in the 80's, breaking strikes.
#22. To: Badeye (#20) (Edited)
...everybody knows...
You should invite this "Everybody" guy to post here if only because someone named "Nobody" believes you too.
[snicker]
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#23. To: Badeye (#21) (Edited)
Why is it that manufacturing fled to socialist countries where workers are... wait for it...unionized? And I challenge you to buck up the company on which a worker made 77 bucks an hour for assembly line work which is 160k a year.
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#24. To: war (#23)
Why is it that manufacturing fled to socialist countries where workers are... wait for it...unionized?
Which are the most powerful unions in China, India and Mexico?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
#25. To: war, Badeye (#23)
And I challenge you to buck up the company on which a worker made 77 bucks an hour for assembly line work
http://www.cnsnews.com/Public/Content/article.aspx?RsrcID=39499
Union Workers at Big Three Automakers Average $73 an Hour
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
By Pete Winn, Senior Writer/Editor
Any more stupid-ass questions, moron?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
#26. To: Badeye Fred Mertz, Brian S (#21) (Edited)
Thats why I so enjoyed my work late in the 80's, breaking strikes.
Was that in between jobs being a highly paid bodyguard for the Saudi's that you've also claimed to be doing in the late 80's...you know...right before you became Cincy's soul brother of the decade that spawned that absolutely frightening picture of you and those basslips that you INSISTED be posted on the web?
Any way, those striking librarians were some tough cookies, eh?
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#27. To: war (#26)
Hey dumbass, "Union Workers at Big Three Automakers Average $73 an Hour"
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
#28. To: Ibluafartsky, war, fred mertz (#27)
Union Workers at Big Three Automakers Average $73 an Hour
When "averages" such as these are quoted, you also must ask: "Are these the hourly rates that people are paid...or do they include the value of what the employer has deemed the value of added-on benefits?"
Many jobs that pay in the $20s or $30s (per year) might represent these salaries in much-higher figures (sometimes twice as much) when they add in benefits. Benefits are wonderful, but their value can often be subjective. There have been news stories about how some employers deduct the employee's portion of a health care plan, even when that health care provider doesn't deliver services within the state where some employees work.
I think the unions have provided much...the concept of a weekend and the notion of being paid overtime. At their foundation is the concept of collective bargaining...something akin to "buying in bulk." When little people negotiate as a group, they often can end up with a better deal than if they all negotiated individually. We see this at work everyday at membership-based big box stores and with corporations that negotiate health care expenses based on the number of employees they bring to the table. There is strength in numbers.
Can unions be a pain? Absolutely. Do they work in every industry? Absolutely not. But, what would the work world look like today--particularly in inherently dangerous industries--if a union wasn't looking out for the worker? For better or worse, I think unions have limited value today, but where there are dangerous businesses (mining, meat packing) and bosses focused on cutting safety corners in order to increase speed and maximize profits, unions still have role to play. They are often watchdogs of occupational standards when an OSHA representative can't be found or when a well-orchestrated OSHA event is months off.
#29. To: Suzanne (#28)
When "averages" such as these are quoted, you also must ask: "Are these the hourly rates that people are paid...or do they include the value of what the employer has deemed the value of added-on benefits?"
I assume everyone knows that union "wages" include the total benefit package. The UAW in its wisdom has bacically slit the throats of its members.
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
#30. To: Ibluafartsky (#29)
I assume everyone knows that union "wages" include the total benefit package. The UAW in its wisdom has bacically slit the throats of its members.
I think your assumption is hopeful at best. I doubt that most people break down their rate of pay into: this is what I get paid by the hour and this the total compensation I receive after considering benefits (of course, the latter scenario would be a big hit at the bar on singles' nights). Besides, as I noted, the value of these "benefits" is often inflated and frequently irrelevant.
As I said, unions can sometimes be a royal pain; still, they have their place. And if the world market declares that an American worker must accept the wages paid (uh, not paid) to a Chinese prisoner (or equivalent) then we're really up the creek without a paddle. I believe that we should all be able to earn a living wage in THIS country and that our kids should have the prospect of--not the guarantee of--a future better than our own.
#31. To: Suzanne (#30)
I think your assumption is hopeful at best.these "benefits" is often inflated and frequently irrelevant.
American worker must accept the wages paid
I believe that we should all be able to earn a living wage
I guess I should have stated "intelligent person" would know union wages include the total package. Insurance, vacation, paid holidays, overtime, retirement, etc.
Union insurance and sick pay packages alone in many cases are worth as much as some people make in a year.
No one is forced to accept a wage in the US private sector. The employee is free to offer his/her services for whatever they can get.
Start a business and offer a service or product that people are willing to pay good money for. No one is entitled to a living wage just for showing up to wash dishes or sweep floors.
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
#32. To: Suzanne (#28)
Another lie of the Union Busters
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#33. To: Badeye (#21)
Typical over-inflation of involvement, I'm sure.
#34. To: Ibluafartsky (#25)
He's not very bright...(laughing) Then again, he hasn't been in the workforce since pre Clinton from what I can tell.
#35. To: Biff Tannen (#33)
Like I care what a kook/troll thinks.
#36. To: Badeye (#35)
Your a known quantity.
#37. To: Biff Tannen (#36)
Yes, I am.
#38. To: Suzanne (#28)
But, what would the work world look like today--particularly in inherently dangerous industries--if a union wasn't looking out for the worker?
That was a real concern....up til around 1970. It isn't today.
#39. To: Biff Tannen (#36)
Your a known quantity.
(laughing)
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#40. To: war (#26)
Any way, those striking librarians were some tough cookies, eh?
Hilarious.
#41. To: Fred Mertz (#40)
Amazing that he believes that he can spout what everyone knows to be bullshit and still expect it to be taken seriously...
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#42. To: war (#39)
It was painful using 'your'
lol
#43. To: Badeye (#38)
That was a real concern....up til around 1970. It isn't today.
You make it sound as if there are no more dangerous jobs where employers and supervisors cut corners in order to speed up production. That's hardly the case. In some limited industries, I think unions still have a place.
#44. To: Suzanne (#43)
My dad was a union member as an airline pilot. He's still around.
#45. To: Suzanne, Badeye (#43)
You make it sound as if there are no more dangerous jobs where employers and supervisors cut corners in order to speed up production. That's hardly the case. In some limited industries, I think unions still have a place.
You mean government and OSHA aren't enough?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
#46. To: Ibluafartsky (#45)
You mean government and OSHA aren't enough?
Well, OSHA IS a government entity. I believe they have around 2,000 inspectors to check on job sites nationwide. That amount could make a phyllo sheet look thick.
Of course, some politicians, like former Representative Cass Ballenger (R) of North Carolina, wanted to strip OSHA of its right to unannounced inspection visits (safety visits are always more accurate when bosses have a chance to tidy up beforehand).
I think, on the whole, OSHA has done a good job, but its resources are limited and inspections at dangerous sites are few and far between. That leaves an incredible gap in safety and hygienic practices. Lucky for us that no company has put corporate profits and productivity above worker and consumer safety (yeah, right).
#47. To: Suzanne (#43)
You make it sound as if there are no more dangerous jobs where employers and supervisors cut corners in order to speed up production. That's hardly the case. In some limited industries, I think unions still have a place.
Only to your 'ear' Suzanne. Union's don't make the workplace 'safer', they haven't for the past four decades. When Samuel Gompers was alive and kicking, yep, they did do that.
But since the late 1960's, thats not a 'union' role, its the goverments role the UNION DEMANDED it play.
Now? Its a way for those that don't want to work - the union 'leadership' - to make six figures extorting legally from corporations.
#48. To: Ibluafartsky (#45)
You make it sound as if there are no more dangerous jobs where employers and supervisors cut corners in order to speed up production. That's hardly the case. In some limited industries, I think unions still have a place. You mean government and OSHA aren't enough?
Exactly.
#49. To: Badeye (#47)
Union's don't make the workplace 'safer', they haven't for the past four decades.
CHALLENGE.
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