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Title: WEBSITE CLAIM:Bible Proof of the Flat Earth Truth
Source: CELEBRATE TRUTH
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cApXPTrOf7A
Published: Sep 10, 2015
Author: CELBRATE TRUTH
Post Date: 2019-03-28 11:46:23 by Liberator
Keywords: NASA, HOAX, BIBLE-TRUTH
Views: 2882
Comments: 67

Genesis 1:7,8 King James Version (KJV)

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Poster Comment: YES, I AM GOING THERE

Yes, your immediate and natural visceral reaction will be to fully dismiss "Flat Earth" and this video. (it's relatively short: 15 minutes.) Can such a case be made in just 15 minutes? Maybe. Maybe not. But it might light a fuse.

Q: What do the PTB fear most from the people? A: KNOWLEDGE

That's why they've flooded the culture in "Entertainment" and made us obsessed with Movies, TV, Sports, etc. ANYTHING to distract us from actually knowledge and critical thinking

I admittedly have initially fully dismissed "Flat Earth" as a "Conspiracy Theory" designed to make ALL "Truthers" look foolish

But something happened..

I began noticing MSM, Neil De Grasse, Bill the Science Guy, Discovery Channel, History Channel, YouTube sources ALL discussing the subject. But in panic mode. They were actually going way out of their way to disprove Flat Earth and ridicule it. If it's so absurd, why bother wasting their time

That only made me need to take a closer look at the theory. Once the PTB makes a subject VERBOTEN, one must believe, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

Then I noticed ridicule and heavy criticism of NBA player Kyrie Irving for his public belief in Flat Earth; Same of Steph Curry for his unbelief of the Moon Landings. (BOTH were forced to apologize.

Hmmm..

That was a Red Flag

If "Flat Earth" is so absurd to begin with, again -- why chastise Curry and Irving spend ANY time and programming to refute others theory and content, and ridicule it? (Is it because they could possibly influence young fans to explore the truth of both matters?

Did you know access to the Antarctica is strictly verboten (other than as brief organized tours? 5,400,000 square miles of earth is completely OFF LIMITS (except to military and "Scientists.") Have you even ever questioned it

You will need to further research the the subject independently. The PTB is currently still in a panic mode; YouTube is busy scrubbing and taking down Flat Earth vids but they keep on popping back up

You will obviously cite a lifetime of staring at globes, "photos from space," the 1960s-70s "Moon Landings," "science," books, space exploration, pictures, movies, Star Trek, history, NASA, "established astronomy"; CONSTANT repetition, imprinting, and conditioning

This is the very same PTB that established "Evolution" as "Settled Science."

This is the very PTB that now say "we lost the technology to get to the moon."

NASA is a complete fraud. They have routinely relied on "Artist Rendering," Photoshop, and CGI for their depictions

(Btw, Where are the Hubble Telescope photos OF EARTH? Or, MOON?

The truth hurts. No one want their reality and belief system turned upside down, so we accept what we're told

We have been lied to. Repeatedly

A Flat Earth requires you to revamp your entire hardwired precepts of this world and literally changes EVERYTHING. Including (especially) about God, Creationism, validation of Genesis, AND our very Physical Realm. As I have, you will have to explore the subject and argument for yourself. Flat Earth theory and explanations ARE convincing. But it will take time to wrap around your head

AN ASIDE:

On what other subjects is discussion, opinion and challenges verboten online or shouted down in public by The Establishment

1) Islam
2) LGBTQ
3) Chemtrails
4) 911
5) Moon Landings
6) 0bama's BC and his entire history
7) Dinosaur Age
8) Evolution
9) Russia Collusion (Wait; Mark that off the list)
10) Age of Earth/Universe (1 image)

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#6. To: Liberator (#0) (Edited)

Oh, please. Not you!!!

Why do all these science talking heads waste time talking about flat earth? (Not that I know that they are, mind you).

It's because in the info age, digital entertainment is dirt cheap. Also, the planets just don't go around the sun fast enough to require daily updates on their positions, so what else is there in astrophysics to talk about on a daily basis?

As for me, I know that when I hook up a TV to a satellite dish pointed into the heavens, I get a TV signals. While I can't personally vouch for the Apollo missions and other historical claims, I can personally vouch for that one!

And if you want to talk about the PTB's wanting to screw with the population, don't rule out the possibility that they might be the ones that started the flat earth nonsense in the first place!

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-28   16:10:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#6) (Edited)

Oh, please. Not you!!!

I get it.

As I admitted, it wasn't long ago when I'd thought exactly the same way about Flat Earth as others. Desperate "Kooks!" I was as skeptical as anyone.

I never gave Flat Earth ANY thought. UNTIL...I noticed the PTB began to go on the offensive as though they were fighting a real ideological war. And that's THE only reason I even looked into Flat Earth.

Whenever these people, these Liars, fight that hard AGAINST something, I know there's something to it. The more I investigated, the more the weight of proof shifted. Dramatically. Mind-blowingly. And it does tie-in with the Phantom "Space" program (which I've doubted for a while in any case.)

It's because in the info age, digital entertainment is dirt cheap.

Digital info, yes; digital knowledge, no.

As for me, I know that when I hook up a TV to a satellite dish pointed into the heavens, I get a TV signals. While I can't personally vouch for the Apollo missions and other historical claims, I can personally vouch for that one!

The Apollo Missions?? Better re-load and re-examine them.

Your dish is pointed somewhere toward the sky, yes. Could even be pointed more parallel. There are people who do address and explain "satellite" dishes and the dynamics of accessing it's "signals." I found the explanations more than adequate. Though I understand you likely aren't interested enough in the subject to further investigate the hows and whys.

if you want to talk about the PTB's wanting to screw with the population, don't rule out the possibility that they might be the ones that started the flat earth nonsense in the first place!

Funny you should mention that; That happened to be my default position even as of a couple months ago. I considered it a reverse "CT" to make ALL "Truthers" of ALL "CTs" look kooky.

Turns out the PTB are freaking out, and battling hard against Flat Earth, trying like mad to discredit it. If it's that absurd it should just be ignored.

Again, I don't expect you or anyone else to accept this by my word. No one changes their entire world-view overnight. We aren't wired that way. I took me a while to thoroughly investigate the case.

But I promise you this: IF you are patient and listen to the presentations and evidence cited by some Flat-Earth proponents, don't be surprised if you start nodding more and more. This subject by necessity is very well-thought out and points of contention fully addressed.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-28   16:45:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator, Pinguinite (#9)

Flat Earth view from space:

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Actual view from space:

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If the earth were indeed flat as you claim, all of the images shot from space should show the entire earth, not just half of it..

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-29   10:42:49 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deckard (#16)

FISH-EYE LENS.

Next.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-29   11:03:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#18)

FISH-EYE LENS.

If the earth were flat, photos from space would show THE ENTIRE EARTH!

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-29   11:18:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#24)

If the earth were flat, photos from space would show THE ENTIRE EARTH!

The ONLY "space" photos are "taken" by NASA. No thanks.

Check out vids taken from civilian balloons from 80,000'-120,000k'. NOTE: "Go PRO" lens are fish-eye. Some guys have even taking infrared vid from a plane that extends 500+ miles. Look out the window from a jet the next time you have a window seat.

This is just ONE facet of Flat Earth.

If you'd like links via PM, let me know. Or not.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-29   13:27:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#29)

The ONLY "space" photos are "taken" by NASA. No thanks.

I guess Elon Musk must be in on the conspiracy as well?

Does SpaceX "photoshop" their images taken from space?

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Did they photoshop all of the video from orbiting satellites showing the earth as a globe?

Here's another one shot in real time.

Yeah, that's obviously faked. < / sarcasm >

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-30   8:34:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deckard (#36)

Elon Musk

Musk is working directly WITH NASA. His rockets go NOWHERE but parallel. ALL SHOW. ALL THEATER.

I checked out your vids...But not all hour and a half of NASA's same repetition. I watched enough of it's imagery to assess it.

Painfully CGI aided. If not clearly aided by a fish lens. The close ups of earth ARE real vids, but taken from fairly close proximity to the earth's surface. ANY film NASA takes from this close distance will still be taken with a curved lens to reflect a slight bend.

The satellite camera JUST happened to catch both the aurora borealis AND several lightning strikes and most every other known atmospheric phenomena? Heckuva coincidence.

This video might help explain NASA tricks of the trade:

GoPro Official Sponsor of The NASA Deception

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-30   11:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#39) (Edited)

GoPro Official Sponsor of The NASA Deception

Oh for crying out loud!

Is there anyone not a part of this vast conspiracy?

You don't believe the photos - they're FAKED.

The videos are FAKED.

It's a vast conspiracy to cover up the truth (as you see it) and Elon Musk, NASA, Go-pro and all of the scientists and astronauts are all in on it.

BTW, how is it that we have to bounce radio and TV signals off satellites in order for the signals to reach distant places?

If the earth is flat, those signals from one location should be able to be picked up from anywhere on earth.

Ever heard of Line-of-sight propagation?

What a pity.

The satellite camera JUST happened to catch both the aurora borealis AND several lightning strikes and most every other known atmospheric phenomena? Heckuva coincidence.

Considering the size of the earth (which is a globe) and the prevalence of these events, I'm not surprised at all.

View of the earth from a plane.

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Obviously fake.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-30   11:59:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Deckard (#44)

Oh for crying out loud!

Is there anyone not a part of this vast conspiracy?

Wait Wait Wait... Has Deckard been hacked by Gatlin?

The only person at LF who might have been more a "Conspiracy Theorist" than me was you.

Turns out the rabbit hole is deeper than you or most imagined or want to explore. The truth shall set us free.

It's a vast conspiracy to cover up the truth (as you see it) and Elon Musk, NASA, Go-pro and all of the scientists and astronauts are all in on it.

"Astronauts"?? Have you even checked out exactly what our "astronauts" have been doing?? Their stunts and interviews in front of CGI backdrops? Their interviews at NASA have been embarrassing to say the least. Whooping and hollering as though they are presiding over Pyramid Scheme conventions. They also answer NO questions plainly and clearly. Don't believe me though -- investigate it yourself.

Scientists"?? You mean the same ones who insist we're all doomed cuz of "Global Warming"? "We're all gonna die!"?? "Vaccines are safe"?? Tell us "trans"-whatever is legit??

"Scientists say..."... "Researchers say..." "NASA says..."..."The Institute says..." "According to official sources...."

We are PROGRAMMED to be stopped dead in our tracks by the supposed Authoritahs of the cult of "Science" etal. THIS is exactly why Sheeple are being led to slaughter.

QUESTION:

Are "they all" involved in the CT regarding 911? The JFK hit? Chemtrails? Vaccines? "Global Warming"? "Evolution"? "The Moon Landings"? Every False Flag you've claimed in the past?

Just one more question: Do you believe NASA has landed a man on the moon 50 years ago?

View of the earth from a plane. Obviously fake.

Not fake. Just a photo using lens that purposely distort the image.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-30   13:42:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#48) (Edited)

Wait Wait Wait... Has Deckard been hacked by Gatlin?

And so it begins - I disagree with you on this particular theory and suddenly my opinions are now identical to Gatlin's.

View of the earth from a plane. Obviously fake.

Not fake. Just a photo using lens that purposely distort the image.

Oh right, every camera and cell phone ever made deliberately distorts the images they photograph.

Are "they all" involved in the CT regarding 911? The JFK hit? Chemtrails? Vaccines? "Global Warming"? "Evolution"? "The Moon Landings"? Every False Flag you've claimed in the past?

My opinions and beliefs on those topics have remained relatively unchanged. This flat earth kookery is something else entirely.

You've become obsessed on this topic to the point that you even dismiss your allies as Gatlin clones.

If someone dismisses the flat earth theory as wrong, they are anathema to the entire truth movement.

This is exactly what was intended - throw this flat earth thing into the mix and you discredit all other conspiracies.

Pure Tavistock/CIA Psy-Ops.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-30   14:22:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Deckard (#51)

If someone dismisses the flat earth theory as wrong, they are anathema to the entire truth movement.

Of course not.

But if one dismisses any CT theory as "wrong" -- without so much as a cursory examination -- it merely makes them dismissive as a matter of inability or unwillingness to psychologically open that door. (Isn't this what's frustrated you about Gatlin and others?) This phenomena includes most people -- I don't mean to pick on Gatlin specifically.

I've noticed that of ALL the insane theories out there that are discussed, Flat Earth discussion is THE ONE that happens to be the trigger that makes people "kooks." That door has been slammed shut quite well by the PTB. That it's considered verboten by the PTB tells me it's THE most dangerous CT. Most compelling. Smoke/Fire.

My opinions and beliefs on those topics have remained relatively unchanged. This flat earth kookery is something else entirely.

The Moon Landings -- do you believe they happened? Btw -- One person's "truth" is another's "kookery."

You've become obsessed on this topic to the point that you even dismiss your allies as Gatlin clones.

My Flat Earth interest and discovery is not an "obsession" any more than any "Truther" or subject considered "CT". There is reason for deeper examination. Btw -- I've remained on this one and only thread to discuss it.

Ok...You aren't suddenly a Gatlin clone. But you might have contracted his anti-CT DNA somehow. Lighten up.

This is exactly what was intended - throw this flat earth thing into the mix and you discredit all other conspiracies.

Pure Tavistock/CIA Psy-Ops.

It's a CT about a CT that gives reason to discredit all CTs?

Look -- If you recall, *I* had indeed suggested here at LF that all the recent "Flat Earth" traction was intended to be THE CT that helps discredit all the other "Conspiracy Theories." I considered Flat Earth a "Bridge/CT Too Far."

The only reason I even stuck my head into the Flat Earth tent to check into it was only because way too many MSM sources were dedicating way too much time and effort into DIS-CREDITING IT.

It turns out quite few other people instinctively felt the same way. Ergo the door was opened. And lo, there is treasure.

If we buy into the theory the PTB had actually been promoting Flat Earth, has their gambit worked well OR backfired?

The theory that Flat Earth traction was only the result of a successful counter-CT Psyop is effective ONLY if the PTB can actually control the entire narrative. Thus far they aren't. It's now out of hand. That's the problem for them. But...they'll keep on purging and censoring ALL truth until there is only their version of "truth."

My take is that Flat Earth took off because people are concluding the PTB is lying about EVERYTHING. That is causing them to question and closely re-examine NASA, scrutinize its present, its history and the "Science" -- along with Flat Earth theory and possibility for the first time.

This post should conclude our exchange on the subject. We understand where we both stand. No hard feelings with you or anyone else.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-30   15:53:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator, Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#53)

A flat earth, and other nonsense (Debunking ideas that would not exist were it not for the Internet)

Does the Bible teach a flat earth?

Some people believe in the flat earth because they have been convinced that the Bible teaches it. So they believe that by denying the FE, people are denying God’s word. IF the Bible taught the earth is flat, their argument would be sound. But the Bible does no such thing, so appealing to biblical inerrancy for non-existent flat-earth proof texts makes no sense. This is the classic fallacy of begging the question, or assuming the conclusion in the premises. As the list below shows, the Bible does not teach a flat earth!

Yet they are afraid of their opponents using a valid form of argument called denying the consequent: if God’s Word teaches a flat earth, and if the earth is not flat [denying the consequent], then God's word is not true.

But since the earth is not actually flat, and since the Bible does not teach that it is flat, they fall into a trap of their own making and must hold onto an illogical and untenable position despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

It perplexes us to see that belief in a “flat earth” is gaining traction, despite being thoroughly debunked for thousands of years. This idea was almost non-existent until recently, yet this particular branch of pseudoscience is making inroads. It’s notable that the article The Flat Earth Myth, busting the myth that the church taught a flat earth, written as recently as 2013, did not receive any negative comments from flat-earth believers. Why?

Because there were hardly any people back then who believed it! Rather, readers were grateful to see that the church had never taught this nonsense. Several honest atheists have even slammed people from their own side who have pushed a bad pseudo-history that accuses the church of teaching a flat earth.1

Is the Earth Flat?

So how did people in the ancient world know that the earth is spherical? The earliest recorded discussion of a spherical earth is from Pythagoras in the sixth century BC. Pythagoras correctly understood that the cause of lunar eclipses is the shadow of the earth falling on the moon. This can happen only when the moon is opposite the sun in our sky, which coincides with full moon. The earth’s shadow is larger than the moon, so we cannot see the entire shadow at once.

However, during a lunar eclipse we see the earth’s shadow creep across the moon. Because the edge of the earth’s shadow always is a portion of a circle, the earth’s shadow must be a circle. If the earth were flat and round, similar to a disk, it could cast a circular shadow, but only for lunar eclipses that occur at midnight.

For a lunar eclipse at sunrise or sunset, the earth’s shadow would be an ellipse, a line, or a rectangle, depending upon how thick the disk was compared to its diameter.

However, the earth’s shadow during a lunar eclipse is always a circle, regardless of the time of night when the eclipse occurs.

The only shape that consistently has a circular shadow, regardless of its orientation, is a sphere.

Deckard  posted on  2019-04-05   23:03:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#66. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#64)

Does the Bible teach a flat earth?

No. More than that, this is NEVER BEEN CLAIMED. Author non-sequitur.

The only shape that consistently has a circular shadow, regardless of its orientation, is a sphere.

"The only"?? Nope. But admittedly, the model can certainly demonstrate "evidence" of its appearance. Curiously, "Evidence is not necessarily "Proof."

As to lunar and solar paths, I have already submitted videos that help explain the FE model theory as well as the Geocentric theory (and btw, the Heliocentric model is also just...technically THEORY.) If I have the time and my GAS quotient isn't spent, I'll try and locate them in hour-plus videos. Ping, I've promised you some content; I didn't forget....

As to the claim made by this Creation.com author: "A flat earth, and other nonsense (Debunking ideas that would not exist were it not for the Internet")...Well, that just goes to prove that certain theories to not make for monolith of thought and belief. Dude's comment reveals the mind of someone who may not understand Genesis; may not take it literally. The comment also reveals a mind who many not be capable of a paradigm beyond dogma, beyond lifetime of repetition, imprinting, and programming. In his defense, 95% are of the same mind-set.

Even Christians are not immune to buying into ALL Dogma trumping ALL Else, categorizing ALL theories beyond any PTB established narrative at "CT."

As you and many of us know, many many "Conspiracy Theories" and authors' respective work has been flushed down memory hole. Now? Regular being purged and censored...this is conspicuous as the interweb and YouTube channels are being flooded with content that targets and refutes Flat Earth theory to counter the momentum of it. Makes NO sense. Red Flag right there. UNLESS.

ALL the popular "CTs" eventually get flushed. Just try and find 911 and especially the "Vegas" turkey shoot OR "Pizzagate." Did you know content Creators GET FLAGGED at YouTube for their respective mention? WHY?? What is being hidden?

Anyway...

If NOT for the "Internet," the knowledge Gate-Keepers and Powers That Be (RCC, Smithsonian, Gummint, Atheist-Science PTB, "Secret Societies," Elites etal) would STILL be controlling and restricting knowledge and history that had previously been held privy to The Precious Few.

FOR INSTANCE, if not for the pesky internet research and disseminating truth-seeking:

NASA Admits: Erased Moon Landing Tapes:

OBVIOUS QUESTIONS REMAIN:

If Flat Earth theory indeed is so patently absurd, so ridiculous, so subject to ridicule...

...then why is so much internet content dedicated solely to mentioning it?

This while at the very same time anti-Flat Earth info and videos dominate search engine results? WHY are opponents' content so ferociously devoted to disproving Flat Earth (as at the same time FE content is removed and censored, leaving the few, and of course, dopey content?)

Seems to me any info or video that is this ridiculous and "stupid" wouldn't find an audience that IS SILL GROWING.

Apparently this audience finds the establishment/PTB's anti-FE crusade a bit too suspicious. This same audience recognizes the PTB and "Science" establishment to be chronic liars who declaring unproven theories like "Evolution," "Global Warming," and NASA "missions" and "Moon Landings" TO BE FACT. As well as empirical "Science."

(Btw, the "Moon Rock" given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is... FAKE. It's petrified wood. But move along -- nothing to see here either.)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

At the same time people are awakening to the possibility for the case for FE THEORY -- various evidence, info, science and scientific theory, observation, innate sensory (hetorically speaking, WHY is our innate, internal sense of reality discarded, btw?)

I have no problem that a website like 'Creation.com' or any body else believing what they believe. Not many are willing to go above and beyond to connect dots and acknowledge observable phenomena beyond Gate-Keepers paradigm.

The horizon is FLAT; Earth is NOT moving, but stationary. I accept the theory of the Geocentric Model that the sun and moon revolve around Earth. Stars positioning doesn't move -- no matter the season. Clouds are NOT swirling or glued to the earth as it allegedly spins at 1000 MPH -- whether from 1000', 120,000 ', OR, via Satellite photos (which are taken very close in to earth because it can NOT orbit very far out.)

Deckard: Speaking of search engines limiting content, as a FYI aside I tried a search on Dr. Michael Heisler; Results: BURIED. Content from Steve Quayle, Timothy Alberino, Tom Horn are found but results are more limited than they should.

Liberator  posted on  2019-04-06 13:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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