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Title: WEBSITE CLAIM:Bible Proof of the Flat Earth Truth
Source: CELEBRATE TRUTH
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cApXPTrOf7A
Published: Sep 10, 2015
Author: CELBRATE TRUTH
Post Date: 2019-03-28 11:46:23 by Liberator
Keywords: NASA, HOAX, BIBLE-TRUTH
Views: 2770
Comments: 67

Genesis 1:7,8 King James Version (KJV)

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Poster Comment: YES, I AM GOING THERE

Yes, your immediate and natural visceral reaction will be to fully dismiss "Flat Earth" and this video. (it's relatively short: 15 minutes.) Can such a case be made in just 15 minutes? Maybe. Maybe not. But it might light a fuse.

Q: What do the PTB fear most from the people? A: KNOWLEDGE

That's why they've flooded the culture in "Entertainment" and made us obsessed with Movies, TV, Sports, etc. ANYTHING to distract us from actually knowledge and critical thinking

I admittedly have initially fully dismissed "Flat Earth" as a "Conspiracy Theory" designed to make ALL "Truthers" look foolish

But something happened..

I began noticing MSM, Neil De Grasse, Bill the Science Guy, Discovery Channel, History Channel, YouTube sources ALL discussing the subject. But in panic mode. They were actually going way out of their way to disprove Flat Earth and ridicule it. If it's so absurd, why bother wasting their time

That only made me need to take a closer look at the theory. Once the PTB makes a subject VERBOTEN, one must believe, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

Then I noticed ridicule and heavy criticism of NBA player Kyrie Irving for his public belief in Flat Earth; Same of Steph Curry for his unbelief of the Moon Landings. (BOTH were forced to apologize.

Hmmm..

That was a Red Flag

If "Flat Earth" is so absurd to begin with, again -- why chastise Curry and Irving spend ANY time and programming to refute others theory and content, and ridicule it? (Is it because they could possibly influence young fans to explore the truth of both matters?

Did you know access to the Antarctica is strictly verboten (other than as brief organized tours? 5,400,000 square miles of earth is completely OFF LIMITS (except to military and "Scientists.") Have you even ever questioned it

You will need to further research the the subject independently. The PTB is currently still in a panic mode; YouTube is busy scrubbing and taking down Flat Earth vids but they keep on popping back up

You will obviously cite a lifetime of staring at globes, "photos from space," the 1960s-70s "Moon Landings," "science," books, space exploration, pictures, movies, Star Trek, history, NASA, "established astronomy"; CONSTANT repetition, imprinting, and conditioning

This is the very same PTB that established "Evolution" as "Settled Science."

This is the very PTB that now say "we lost the technology to get to the moon."

NASA is a complete fraud. They have routinely relied on "Artist Rendering," Photoshop, and CGI for their depictions

(Btw, Where are the Hubble Telescope photos OF EARTH? Or, MOON?

The truth hurts. No one want their reality and belief system turned upside down, so we accept what we're told

We have been lied to. Repeatedly

A Flat Earth requires you to revamp your entire hardwired precepts of this world and literally changes EVERYTHING. Including (especially) about God, Creationism, validation of Genesis, AND our very Physical Realm. As I have, you will have to explore the subject and argument for yourself. Flat Earth theory and explanations ARE convincing. But it will take time to wrap around your head

AN ASIDE:

On what other subjects is discussion, opinion and challenges verboten online or shouted down in public by The Establishment

1) Islam
2) LGBTQ
3) Chemtrails
4) 911
5) Moon Landings
6) 0bama's BC and his entire history
7) Dinosaur Age
8) Evolution
9) Russia Collusion (Wait; Mark that off the list)
10) Age of Earth/Universe (1 image)

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#3. To: Liberator (#0)

On what other subjects is discussion, opinion and challenges verboten online or shouted down in public by The Establishment?

1) Islam
2) LGBTQ
3) Chemtrails
4) 911
5) Moon Landings
6) 0bama's BC and his entire history
7) Dinosaur Age
8) Evolution
9) Russia Collusion (Wait; Mark that off the list)
10) Age of Earth/Universe

Of course the real conspiracy, Israel collusion is left off the list.

Just PRETEND that Hillary & Donald are not 100% Israel First.

Donald & Hillary, Satan's Fallen Angel Rebels (they ain't Boris & Natasha)


Flat Earth - using yukon like logic (none) they proceed to purposely misinterpret select scripture, and claim victory. Ain't buying it!

Hondo68  posted on  2019-03-28   12:30:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#3) (Edited)

Flat Earth - using yukon like logic (none) they proceed to purposely misinterpret select scripture, and claim victory. Ain't buying it!

Why cite and weaponize the past ridicule and discrediting of Yukon?

Just say you won't and can't bother listening to any Flat Earth theory. It doesn't affect the Truth, my life or my opinion of you.

But to claim a Flat-Earth reality "purposely misinterpret[s] select scripture" and "claim[s] victory tells me you haven't even scraped the surface. If you need to shut down the argument out of the box it's still ok. Most people will.

In an epic turn of irony, it turns out Galileo was actually WRONG. And Vatican RIGHT. The Earth IS the center of all things God created. As is man. Just as God's Scripture states.

The Heliocentric theory (Sun = Center of solar system) is a very young theory based NOT on real science or observation, but on bogus science, presumption of taking the word of the PTB, and MENTAL IMPRINTING, REPETITION and CONDITIONING. Yes, just like the "Theory" of "EVOLUTION."

We currently live in a world in which we have been purposely deceived in many meaningful manners. The deception is increasing.

Discounting Genesis, and with it, a literal Word of God was required in order to advance the absurdly bizarre and proven Evolution Fairy Tale -- and with it the whole "Big Bang" Fairy Tale, "13 billion year old universe" and everything else the Cult of Science" has taught.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-28   12:53:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#4)

The Heliocentric theory (Sun = Center of solar system) is a very young theory based NOT on real science or observation,

Sorry, but that is a patently false statement. I believe it was Copernicus who was attributed credit for the heleo centric theory and it was very much self validating because it cleanly explained why the outer planets seemed to stop and go backwards against the backdrop of stars on a near annual basis as observed from earth. With the sun being the center of the solar system, that apparent reverse movement is explained by earth orbiting the sun (at a much faster speed), and the outer planet movement was then qualified as being relatively constant without any reversals.

Therefore, I think it is objectively true to say the Heliocentric theory was very much validated by observation.

If you are going to go with the Earth being the center of the universe (I acknowledge that could be a completely separate argument that the Earth is flat), be prepared to explain the apparent reverse movements of the outer planets as astronomers from hundreds of years ago did.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-28   16:32:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#8)

>>>>The Heliocentric theory (Sun = Center of solar system) is a very young theory based NOT on real science or observation....<<<

Sorry, but that is a patently false statement....

...it was very much self validating because it cleanly explained why the outer planets seemed to stop and go backwards against the backdrop of stars on a near annual basis as observed from earth.

I think it is objectively true to say the Heliocentric theory was very much validated by observation.

All the old "rules" are predicated on assumed baselines. The same criteria of established baselines is applied to the debates on the age of the earth as well as universe. For it, it's measurements is "Time."

The Copernican theory remains a theory, an erroneous one for Flat-Earthers. Sun-centered vs. earth-centered solar system will invariably be in conflict. Especially since the "Universe" and "stars" are contained within the Firmament. Or "Dome." (Which rockets are said to "bounce" off, unable to penetrate it. You'll have to research on your own.)

From what *I've* seen and heard -- and it's been plenty -- the Heliocentric model is fully undermined and discredit. Yes, of course again, I know that will make me sound crazy. That I'm all in on this and lay my credibility on the line tells you I've seen and heard the evidence.

I am not an astronomer, but many Flat Earth proponents are -- as well as physicists, mathematicians, and other scientists. If the criteria is "observation," IT and theories of yore have been addressed. And explained in great detail.

This is not a debate that can be argued point by point; This is an entire system that requires entirely new baselines and assumptions. You or anyone else would reasonably necessarily have to watch hours of videos and proponents of Flat Earth as they create their case to a satisfactory degree. *I* have watched several hours. I can point you in the right direction if you'd like.

NASA is just not a credible witness to any of it. If anything, they are discredited as lying through their teeth on countless occasions.

If you are going to go with the Earth being the center of the universe (I acknowledge that could be a completely separate argument that the Earth is flat), be prepared to explain the apparent reverse movements of the outer planets as astronomers from hundreds of years ago did.

Flat-Earth theory is connected; The basis of the Earth-Center theory may never be accepted even by some Flat-Earthers. As you can see by the illustration above, the theory is in accordance with Genesis description and explanation of "The Firmament" *above* AND *below* the earth. The sun and moon are located *within* the Firmament. AS are the stars, planets, "galaxies," etc. Yet...IT IS EXPLAINED. Rationally. Logically. Scientifically. Mathematically. By Observation.

There is no way 99% of people will grasp how this can possibly be AND believe it immediately. Again, we have been conditioned by so sphere-based "Space Doctrine" that the human mind needs to totally rewire and re-wrap a lifetime of "empirical fact," "space" images, books, TV, movies, commercials, etc. Most won't ever even take the First Baby Step towards investigation. I get it.

By the same token, NASA's serial and circumstantial lies, cover ups, Astronaut "interviews" are embarrassing.

NASA has been given carte blanche for creative and artistic license. They have fully exploited it. The alleged "Moon Landings" have been painstakingly dis-proven by several physical and scientific criteria, metrics, and various measures of tangible proof.

The side that has everything at stake is "Science"; Because IF proven false, it's entire house of cards tumbles -- from Big Bang to Evolution, to Infinite Space, to Alien Life, to the very fundamentals of Earth Science, Astronomy, to entire belief systems. This is why traditional earth science and astronomy is so fervently defended and "Flat Earth" so rigorously attacked.

This truly is "The Mother of ALL Hoaxes." I would posit that "Flat Earth" is THE PTB's #1 Most Feared "Conspiracy Theory."

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-28   18:49:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#13)

Your comments are "Weird."

buckeroo  posted on  2019-03-28   22:13:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#15)

Your comments are "Weird."

Of course they are.

I'd go as far as saying my comments and "Flat Earth theory arr "alien" as well.

ALL new information is.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-29   11:08:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#20)

ALL new information is. [FLAT EARTH SOCIETY]

Oh sure. Within the entire UNIVERSE most celestial objects are articulated as "circular." That means physical forces "spin" materials in space.

You are providing "false data."

buckeroo  posted on  2019-03-29   21:34:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#32) (Edited)

ALL new information is. [FLAT EARTH SOCIETY]

Nope. FLAT EARTH SOCIETY is a controlled opposition group. Always has been. It's info is a blend of truth and lies (aka propaganda) designed to reinforce the perception of Flat Earth as a joke.

Within the entire UNIVERSE most celestial objects are articulated as "circular." That means physical forces "spin" materials in space.

How did you conclude both? That celestial objects are "circular"? AND spinning?

They may actually be "circular" but NOT proven to be globes, nor "spinning," NOR in orbit.

The only objects that are proven to move the slightest (despite the "re-positioning" of "planet" earth via seasonal axis) are the Sun and Moon....and "planets."

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-30   11:34:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Liberator (#41)

They may actually be "circular" but NOT proven to be globes, nor "spinning," NOR in orbit.

Does not the illumination of the moon showing the various phases over the course of the month not illustrate that it must be a globe and not flat disk?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-30   11:54:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#43)

Does not the illumination of the moon showing the various phases over the course of the month not illustrate that it must be a globe and not flat disk?

Legit question. One I was compelled to myself as well.

First, here's NASA's explanation as to why we can only see one side of the Moon:

["We don’t see the far side because] the moon is tidally locked to the Earth,” said John Keller, deputy project scientist for NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter project. “The moon does rotate, but it rotates at the same speed that it rotates around the Earth.”

HUH??

Anyhoo, I have watched several long vids that have explained and illustrate the lunar phases.

In the following vid I believe someone has done a great job. Some commentary would help even more, which was the case in other vids I've watched.

In the Flat Earth model, both the Moon and Sun move at different speeds in different orbits around the disk depending on the season, but always facing the earth without "revolving."

The time of day with respect to the Sun remains unaffected in either Flat Earth of Global model.

An aside: You'll also note the "edge" of the earth is rimmed by white -- it is the Antarctica. On the "map," it provides the "edge" or containment.

Below is 2+ min vid with 3D visual that happens to illustrate different depths and angles of the Sun and Moon, AND "planets."

Since you had also asked about the planets and their movement, I thought this could help address the issue visually. The Bible (Jude 13) describes the reason as well; The explanation for planets (described as "wondering stars") is amazing. And like the Sun, Moon and stars, the planets/"wondering stars" are located fully within "The Firmament."

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-30   13:13:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Liberator (#46)

The first video is clearly a misrepresentation of actual observation.

Imagine you were in central America and watching the move as it passes overhead as the day progresses, and the sun and moon were postioned at, say 90 degrees from the north pole. In the morning, you'd see only a sliver of the moon illumunated. but as the day wore on, more and more of it would be illuminated, largely resetting by the following morning.

Illustrated another way, at any given point in time, people world over would see the moon illuminated in different ways.

This is NOT what we, including you, see in the sky. Clearly, plainly, obviously, the moon phase does NOT change like that throughout the day. Whatever the phase is at moon rise, it's pretty much the same at moon set 12 hours later, and the phase of the moon is almost identical for everyone no matter where they are located on earth.

My prior question was not about the same side of the moon always facing the earth. Rather it was about the sun illuminating the moon as we would expect any sphere to be illuminated by a single light source. But it seems the contention is that while the earth is flat, the moon is still a sphere and not a disk like the earth is.

I like you, buddy, but you haven't thought this through critically enough.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-30   13:39:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#49. To: Pinguinite (#47)

You haven't thought this through critically enough.

I appreciate the sentiments, but I have not only most thoroughly "thought it through," but researched and weighed the evidence of Flat Earth. The proof is overwhelming.

I fully understand if you (or others) haven't the time to do the same.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-30 13:44:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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