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Title: Why mandatory vaccination is not opposed to libertarian principles
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ ... osed-to-libertarian-principles
Published: Mar 5, 2019
Author: Tiana Lowe
Post Date: 2019-03-10 21:03:19 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 168
Comments: 37

Just one day after bravely standing for the Constitution and against President Trump's unconstitutional national emergency declaration, the occasionally libertarian Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., spent a Senate health committee hearing promulgating the fatal and idiotic lie that laws requiring vaccinations violate individual freedom.

It was a nice 24 hours, and quite frankly, I hope the senator takes a monumental step back and realizes the fallacy he presented to the public.

"As we contemplate forcing parents to choose this or that vaccine, I think it’s important to remember that force is not consistent with the American story, nor is force consistent with the liberty our forefathers sought when they came to America,” said Paul, who himself is a physician. "For myself and my children I believe that the benefits of vaccines greatly outweigh the risks, but I still don’t favor giving up on liberty for a false sense of security."

But "force" is not a mandate that children who enter public school get vaccinated. "Force" is the exposure of the public, without their consent, to life-threatening diseases that modern medicine figured out how to eradicate half a century ago.

The basic principle of libertarianism, which Paul claims to champion, is the non-aggression principle, simplified into the notion that you can wave your hand in the air so long as you don't slap anyone in the face. It's the reason libertarians frequently favor legalizing most individual freedoms, such as drug legalization, and activities between consenting adults, such as prostitution. However, libertarianism absolutely does not condone involuntary association, which is exactly what sending your unvaccinated child out in public constitutes.

As Paul surely knows, the efficacy of vaccination relies on the concept of herd immunity. Some children with cancer or otherwise compromised immune systems cannot be vaccinated, and vaccines don't quite provide 100 percent protection from disease in all cases, although the number is fairly close. This underscores the need for everyone who can get vaccinated to do so. For as long as a sufficiently large share of the population is vaccinated, the disease cannot spread to those who cannot be vaccinated. Thus, the entire population remains protected.

In short, any deliberately unvaccinated child needlessly puts other children — especially those who cannot be vaccinated for medical purposes — at risk of disease or even death.

It's common courtesy to stay at home if you have a cold or the flu. But going into public spaces with diseases covered by childhood vaccines isn't just rude; it's tantamount to biological warfare.

Diseases covered by most childhood vaccines are some of the most contagious known to man. On average, a single carrier of measles infects more than a dozen other people in an unimmunized population. Anti-vaxxers have caused a 30 percent increase in perfectly preventable diseases across the the world, exposing people to deadly illnesses without their consent.

Twenty-four states have laws penalizing people for failing to disclose if they're HIV-positive to their sexual partners. And even as conservatives rightly balked when California downgraded knowingly risking HIV transmission without a partner's consent from a felony to a misdemeanor, defendants in civil cases for unconsensual HIV exposure have historically relied on assumption-of-risk arguments. It's a morally dubious argument at best, but at least consenting to sex does entail a certain level of calculated decision-making.

In contrast, absent vaccination requirements, every moment spent in a public space entails an assumption of needless, plentiful, and life-threatening risk.

The first disease that vaccines fully eradicated was smallpox, another airborne disease with a 30 percent fatality rate. The World Health Organization announced in 2016 that the Americas were the first region to eradicate measles, but war- torn and developing nations such as Afghanistan still face high fatality rates from the disease. Given the recent measles outbreaks in Washington and Oregon, thanks to idiotic laws allowing parents to refuse young children vaccines for non-medical reasons, it's entirely possible that if the anti-vaccine conspiracy theory spread across enough of the country, the United States could return to the same measles fatality rates as the developing world.

Non-medical exemptions from vaccinations are a clear and concerning violation of the non-aggression principle. Parents sending their students to public schools must not be forced to unknowingly send them to their deaths. It is beneath Paul's office and his duty as a physician to frame this as a dichotomy between liberty and security instead of what it is: a right to avoid involuntary association with fatal diseases that are totally preventable.

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

But "force" is not a mandate that children who enter public school get vaccinated. "Force" is the exposure of the public, without their consent, to life-threatening diseases that modern medicine figured out how to eradicate half a century ago.

Oh Horseshit! The government requires "education" in the first place; in reality "education" is merely indoctrination into socialism. And now, you are arguing for forced vaccinations, too?

buckeroo  posted on  2019-03-10   21:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#0)

Rand Paul Gets a Booster Vaccination

NIH officials lying...


hondo68  posted on  2019-03-10   21:41:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#1)

Oh Horseshit!

Then again... you can move away, into a jungle, and do the most vile things, without government interference.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-03-10   21:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GrandIsland (#3)

The rights of individuals usurp your goddamned socialist creed.

buckeroo  posted on  2019-03-10   22:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

BuckerGoo, give it a rest. You can do anything you like, in that jungle... and I bet you do. lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-03-10   22:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland (#5)

give it a rest.

As always, you don't know what you are chit-chatting about.

buckeroo  posted on  2019-03-10   22:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#5)

Bucky always makes it so easy for you to humiliate him and to criticize his despairing posts expressing an outlandish opinion about something that is of little worth.

You are doing an excellent job …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-10   22:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#7)

You are doing an excellent job …

Thanks, Gatlin. As are you.

Jim Jones did what BuckerGoo did, ran off to the jungle to avoid all those evil mean American cops. I wonder what BuckerGoo is doing in that 3rd world jungle. It’s gotta be real bad.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-03-10   23:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GrandIsland (#8)

Ape better than Canary!


hondo68  posted on  2019-03-11   0:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GrandIsland (#8) (Edited)

Now that you mentioned it, I realize it’s been 40 years since Jim Jones ran off to jungle. And his sons who survived the massacre that fateful day only because they happened to be away at the time, say they are still trying to find healing and forgiveness for their father and themselves.

Thinking about Jim Jones, it is therefore fitting that you mention Bucky has now run off to the jungle and let us hope that someday Bucky will seek healing and forgiveness for turning his back on America.

Bucky has often said that our nation is in trouble. If that is true – then he shouldn’t have turned his back on trouble and cowardly run away to a jungle. He needed to stay and work diligently to turn around the country he felt was in trouble.

So, it has come to pass, that instead of embracing the Judeo-Christian values that helped make our country great and blessed, Bucky now pursues and prosecutes – in his posts on LF – those believers who seek to live out their faith in our great nation and support it.

I simply cannot understand – although I confess that I give no thought to it and could not care less – how he can stand idly under the jungle overhang while our nation disintegrates, as he constantly claims it’s doing.

Be that as it may, let’s turn now to imagine a future America where cities continue to build economies infused with entrepreneurship and purposeful, supportive inclusion – where a new business is founded on every corner and with enough jobs and talent to drive the growth in the communities up and to continue the unemployment rate down.

Let’s imagine Americans with a vision presence where we will all clear a path for that bright future, to transcend political rhetoric and move America forward to continued greatness.

Let’s imagine Bucky returning to America in that presence …

Wait – Stop – hold on …

OMG – I got carried away.

Nah. Let’s leave Bucky where he is – in the jungle – and imagine Bucky someday feeling apologetic with deep remorseful regret that he abandoned his homeland.

And smile as we think about him tending to his many tropical ulcers [more commonly known as jungle rot] with the numerous chronic ulcerative skin lesions thought to be caused by polymicrobial infection and a variety of microorganisms including mycobacteria that continue to eat away at his skin.

You get the picture …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   1:56:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#1)

The government requires "education" in the first place; in reality "education" is merely indoctrination into socialism.

Notice how the two assholes on this thread ignored your truth bomb and immediately attacked you for no reason?

It just goes to show the socialist mindset and the intellectual shallowness of these two cretins.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   5:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#11)

Oh Horseshit!

That’s a “truth bomb”?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-03-11   7:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard (#11)

Hey, Deckard, here is a good morning “Truth Bomb” for you in the form of a challenge.

I have a fantastic challenge for you that will be most rewarding when accomplished.

I ask that you join me and together we can rise up with a great readiness.

Let us stand arm-in-arm with a full determination while we move forward in these wonderfully powerful days
and meet the challenge to make America what it should be.

It is now that we have a golden opportunity to make America a better nation.

You, Deckard, with your “masterful copy and paste expertise” can easily find the way and develop a plan.

Then I will abdicate my superior leadership role and follow you as you lead us into a glorious future America.

Let’s charge – Deckard – Charge …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   7:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Gatlin (#13)

I ask that you join me

I have no intention of ever joining you in anything, especially in your quest for bigger government, no punishment for criminal cops and your ongoing delusional jihad against Liberty.

You're a trollish, sarcastic and self-obsessed little cretin.

Piss off you bloody sod!

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   7:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GrandIsland (#12)

That’s a “truth bomb”?

Of course you conveniently ignored this fact Melissa.

The government requires "education" in the first place; in reality "education" is merely indoctrination into socialism.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   7:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#4)

The rights of individuals usurp your goddamned socialist creed.

I've always wondered - WTF are a couple of socialist trolls like these two quislings doing at a site that professes to champion liberty?

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   7:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#16)

a couple of socialist trolls

The socialist are easily identified by their TDS... who here has Trump Derangement Syndrome? HAAAAAAAAAAA. Truth.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-03-11   8:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deckard (#14)

I have no intention of ever joining you in anything

Why is it you TDS leftest are intent upon keeping us divided?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-03-11   8:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#14)

Piss off you bloody sod!

Oh, you poor little baby.

I upset you.

You calm down now and eat the hot oatmeal you mommy prepared for you this morning.

That will hopefully make you feel better.

Although I know it will never change your morbid outlook on life - Nothing ever will.

Such a shame ...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   8:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Why is it you TDS leftest are intent upon keeping us divided?

Inbreeding - Definitely inbreeding.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   8:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#16)

I've always wondered -

Deckard, you have continually meandered though your entire life wondering about everything.

When in heavens name are you going to stop "wondering" about things and start "learning" about something?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   8:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin (#17)

The socialist are easily identified by their TDS...

I've posted plenty about Trump's "accomplishments" - some of it positive, some of it not so much. I'm just not a knee-pad wearing sycophant like you clowns who salivate at Trump's every idiotic tweet.

But apparently you only show up to troll when it's an article or comment that triggers you.

BTW - The LF database is full of posts that display your socialist tendencies.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   8:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#19)

eat the hot oatmeal you mommy prepared for you this morning.

Your delusional and juvenile response is pretty much what I expected. Seriously, how old are you again?

You would have us all believe that you are this wise old sage who knows everything and has a plethora of conversational abilities at his disposal.

Yet - you post this tired old crap?

It's sad really how you ignore the obscenity-filled rants of LF' resident psycho (yeah that's right) GrandIsland) and his continuous verbal diarrhea which he subjects the forum to on a daily basis.

Then again as I mentioned before, you always have aligned yourself with the trash of any fora you have disgraced with your odious presence.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   9:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#23)

Did eating the oatmeal put you in a better mood?

If not, the sounds of the howler monkeys mating around Bucky in the Belizean jungle has no doubt “aroused” him to the point that he is now awake.

So, you can easily go over and cry on his shoulder – Again.

And then be sure to get back to me when you are feelin g better.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   9:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard (#22)

You continually see everything through such squint-eyed vision.

You really need to open your eyes.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   9:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#25)

You really need to open your eyes.

You need to take your own advice and stop lecturing others you supercilious, overbearing, pompous, condescending twit.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   9:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard (#23)

… you always have aligned yourself with the trash of any fora …

“Fora”???

I could not find a definition for “fora” when I tried to look up this word that is new to me.

So. I think you may have abbreviated “foramen magnum.”

Is this correct?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   9:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#27)

I could not find a definition for “fora”

Gee whiz wise sage (laughs out loud at the obvious sarcasm) did you not know that fora is the plural of forum?

Fora and forums are plurals of forum. The former conforms to the original Latin, which some people prefer, while others like the Anglicized form. Neither is right or wrong, and choosing between them is mostly a matter of preference. .

That GED still hasn't paid off for you yet "genius"?

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   9:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#26)

… stop lecturing others you supercilious, overbearing, pompous, condescending twit.

Nah, I enjoy kicking your libertarian ass too much while you so compliantly sit back and take it.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   9:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#29)

kicking your libertarian ass

Yeah, you keep thinking that psycho.

You're a complete joke.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   9:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#28)

... fora is the plural of forum?

Are we currently and simultaneously posting on more forums that LF?

Wow?

I had no idea.

Uh, how is that happening?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   9:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#31)

Are we currently and simultaneously posting on more forums that LF?

You ignorant troll, you have posted on at least two.

And infested both of them with your disgusting presence.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-11   9:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard (#30)

kicking your libertarian ass

Yeah, you keep thinking that …

Don’t need to “think” it - For I “know” it.

It is so amusing to me as I do it – In that it is really laughable through your obvious absurdities.

You're a complete joke.

Then why aren’t you happy and laughing all the time?

Instead of continually crying, bitching and whining about everything.

Huh?

Why are you always so miserable ...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   9:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#32)

nd infested both of them with your disgusting presence.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   10:02:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#32)

And infested both of them with your disgusting presence.
Your mystical explanations are shallow – actually they are not even superficial.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   10:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#28)

Gee whiz wise sage ...

Gee Whiz -

You are now beginning to face reality.

Whoopee ...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-11   11:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard, vaccine cocktails, the tragic results, tater, FI (#30)

You're a complete joke.

Back on topic...

How many multipurpose vaccines have tater & FireIsland received?

They were lamebrains to start with, but look at them now! Worse than ever after their vaccine cocktails. Their every post is like a big red flashing WARNING label against the dangers of worshiping BIG pharma.

DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU!


hondo68  posted on  2019-03-11   11:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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