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Title: Conspiracy Theory Goes Viral that CPS ‘Steals’ Children From Anti-Vax Parents
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URL Source: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/witho ... hildren-from-anti-vax-parents/
Published: Mar 1, 2019
Author: Katie Joy
Post Date: 2019-03-02 19:51:08 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 12270
Comments: 116
“Omg Omg Omg! Arizona Chandler police department just broke in Sarah Becks door WITHOUT a warrant!!! Unvaxxed kids are being stolen!” The frantic post shared on Facebook went viral earlier this week. Anti-vax conspiracy theorists swarmed and shared the update all over social media. However, the story provided in the update wasn’t true. Arizona police say the children were in immediate medical danger and they had a warrant to remove the children from home.
When the post was shared earlier this week by a friend of Sarah Beck, anti-vaxxers shared the information in groups and on pages. Individuals expressed outrage, anger, and paranoia that police were removing children from anti-vaccine parents.
Almost immediately discussions broke out that Arizona DCS was kidnapping unvaccinated children to sell them into foster care. Many said that unvaccinated children are highly in demand because they are incredibly healthy. Several discussed an Arizona ‘kidnapping cartel.”
While many believed the post at face value, others that knew the family personally attempted to stop the misinformation from spreading. One woman, a former friend of Sarah’s, said the post left out critical details about the case.
For instance, she said DCS had been involved with the family multiple times. Additionally, she said the police took the children because a doctor feared one of the children had meningitis.
According to the woman, Sarah had taken her 2-year-old son to see their naturopath earlier in the day. At the clinic, the boy, Heder, had a fever of 105 degrees. The naturopath told Sarah that she needed to take Heder to the hospital. Sarah didn’t agree with the provider and left the clinic.
Later in the day, Sarah called the naturopath to tell them she would not be taking her son to the hospital. Sarah expressed to the doctor that his fever had gone down and she wasn’t concerned anymore. When the naturopath learned the boy was still at home, they called the Department of Child Safety and filed a report.
Based on the information provided by the former friend, the children’s vaccination status did not play a role in the case.
As the rumors spread online, Sarah and her partner Brooks Bryce reached out to local media to cover the story. Multiple news outlets in Arizona picked up the story.
AZ Family interviewed the couple outside of their home. They said that police broke down their door and took their three children. Sarah said that police came to the house after a naturopath reported her to DCS for failing to bring her son to the hospital.
In the interview, Sarah confirmed everything her former friend shared online earlier in the week. At the clinic, her son Heder had a fever of 105. Sarah said she retook his temperature in the car on the way home. According to Sarah, the Heder’s temperature was 102. She noted that Heder acted normal in the car and danced with his siblings.
She admitted that she called the naturopath and told them that she wasn’t concerned about Heder’s fever. However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.
After receiving the report from the doctor, DCS reached out to the parents to investigate. Brooks said that he spoke with a social worker and refused to take his son to the hospital. Brooks told AZ Family,
“They said ‘Brooks, you have to come out of your house right now… we have to check on them [kids],’ and I said, ‘I have Heber in my arms, he’s doing fine, his temperature is 100 degrees. He’s safe he’s asleep, could you please just leave us alone,’” Brooks Bryce, the boy’s dad, said.
Unable to convince the couple to take Heder to the hospital, DCS requested a temporary custody order from a judge. Police showed up at the couples home with the custody order and knocked on the door multiple times. Brooks refused to open the door and comply with their requests.
Because Brooks would not cooperate with police, authorities were forced to bust down the front door to remove the children. Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.The police report indicated that the home had clutter all over the floor which made it difficult to walk. In one of the children’s bedroom, authorities found vomit all over the beds. The couple admitted the children had vomited several times and they had not cleaned up the mess.
Details from the police report:
-“there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention”
-“Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child].”
-“There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment.”
In the couple’s bedroom, police found a shotgun that was not locked or secured. Brooks disputed the claim about the gun and insisted the weapon doesn’t work.
After completing a search of the home, the police called for an ambulance. Two of the children were taken by ambulance to the hospital. A DCS worker took the third child to the hospital by car. The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.
Since the DCS removed the children from home, the couple has not seen their children. They were supposed to meet with social workers, but the couple said DCS canceled the appointment.
Police say that there have been no criminal charges filed in the case. However, the investigation is still on-going.
Sarah and Brooks told multiple agencies that their children are not vaccinated, but they do not believe their vaccination status has anything to do with this case.
This story highlights the fact that misinformation spreads quickly on Facebook. People took a status update at face value. They shared the status all over social media and created a frenzy based on unsubstantiated claims. Anti-vaxxers used the story to further their narrative that DCS medically kidnaps children. Additionally, they fed into conspiracy theorists that believe social service workers capture and sell children into foster care.
Absolutely all of their fears were completely unfounded. DCS was forced to remove the child because the parents failed to take the child to the hospital. Heder’s fever was extraordinarily high and indicative of a bacterial infection. Instead of following the doctor’s orders, the parents decided not to treat their son.
Anti-vaxxers consistently use stories like this to tarnish the reputations of doctors, government agencies, and hospitals. They never consider the fact that the parents in the case might be at fault.
This is an important reminder to be cautious of what you see online. Just because someone cries “medical kidnapping” doesn’t mean it’s real.
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#77. To: buckeroo. Tooconservative (#75)
Of course, we note that you still do not offer any vehement denial.Oh "WE" do?
Tooconservative + Gatlin = "WE"
So TC is numerically correct.
Not many times have I ever found him wrong.
Cantankerous sometimes, maybe.
But wrong ????
#78. To: Gatlin (#74)
I am convinced that your meaningless post was archaic at best.
#79. To: Gatlin, buckeroo, GrandIsland, A K A Stone, hondo68 (#72)
Yep, a lot of people did think that buckeroo posted that infamous link under [yukon's] handle at LP.
A few posters over at 4um seemed to suspect bucky as well, having reviewed the IP address history that Goldi provided. You recall my posts at LP about this at the time.
Damn...I wonder if I've still got a bookmark for it?
Why, yes, I do.
LP: LP FUNDRAISER
You can find Goldi, yukon, Gatlin, me nad others there. You can see where I posted via the public HideMyAss VPN server and then Goldi checked her IP logs to see that I was posting from the same IP address range as the original yukon gay-porn post was made (post #979).
Glancing at a few other old LP threads, I realized that LP was just never the same once yukon was no longer there 24/7, calling some poor soul a "dishonorable asshole" a half-dozen times on every thread. LOL
#80. To: Gatlin, Liberator, Canary Clan, The Skipper, Gilligan too (#76)
harrowup firmly believed that liberator was a coconspirator
(((( PING ))))
The cowardly fag tater didn't have the guts to ping you.
#81. To: buckeroo (#78)
I am convinced that your meaningless post was archaic at best.
Damn, I am surprise.
I am astonished.
I am truly amazed,
And you have impressed me greatly.
Why and how?
You knew the word “archaic” and you knew how to property construct a sentence using the word.
I have strong hopes you will continue to work on your vocabulary.
#82. To: Tooconservative (#79) (Edited)
I recall that 22Rifle was devastated when yukon posted that he was glad that he was finally out of the closet, and didn't have to hide it anymore.
Best post evah on LP.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#79) (Edited)
... having reviewed the IP address history that Goldi provided.
Ah yes, I forgot about that.
I chatted with Yukon on back channel all the time.
I was getting the story from him from the first moment of the incident and even when he could not sign in until Goldi and Stone gave him a new password since his old one had been changed.
I of course never believe it was him and strongly suspected it was Bucky all the time that had compromised his password.
Goldi said, as you may well remember that she guessed Yukon’s password on LP.
You may also remember that I said I guessed yukon’s password on LF on the first try.
#84. To: Tooconservative (#73)
likely it was just yukon flying his true colors by accident.
I’m not buying it. He was an Alaskan dude, talked about 4x4’s, guns, conservative values and so on. We had one self proclaimed fag posting, that was Meguro. If you remember, Meguro was a flaming LIBERAL. IMHO, most filthy fags are liberal minded.
I guarantee if Yukon was posting today, he’d be supporting Trump. No faggot on this planet likes Trump. Think about it. Yukon was hated like a devil by the cop hating drug loving paultard cult. They NEVER allowed another ideology without pushback. It’s how they indoctrinate.
Yukon abused them at every turn. The only way they could keep LP an indoctrinated anti government sounding board, was to remove or discredit Yukon.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#85. To: Tooconservative (#73)
Otherwise, why did he flee
Didn’t Goldi finally ban him?
#86. To: Gatlin (#85) (Edited)
Didn’t Goldi finally ban him?
That paranoid bitch banned me, for no other reason than Obama won a second term. Out of the blue, the C U Next Thursday banned me about 15 minutes after his second term was announced.
She didn’t like cops... I’m sure the cops didn’t care for her smell, after finding her melted into her hardwood floor.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#87. To: GrandIsland (#84)
I’m not buying it. He was an Alaskan dude, talked about 4x4’s, guns, conservative values and so on.
Yes,
And he lived out in the wilderness far from town and used a phone line to connect to the Internet.
#88. To: GrandIsland (#86)
She didn’t like cops...
That's true.
#89. To: Gatlin (#77)
But wrong ????
He knows we want to hear a denial. So he refuses to give it.
I'm still not sure he has technical skills adequate to break into yucko's account. Not impossible. But a dictionary attack would likely have done the trick. Most people reuse the same common passwords over and over. Left to their own devices, most people will use 'password' or '1234' as their password. It's pathetic.
#90. To: Tooconservative (#89) (Edited)
I'm still not sure he has technical skills adequate to break into yucko's account.
Woah, no one broke into his account.
Goldi figured out someone guessed his password.
Her posts sill on fill will show that she immediately guessed his password.
I forget what it was.
But I remember I guessed his password on LF and he confirmed it. It was the first word of his screen name.
#91. To: Gatlin (#90)
Goldi figured out someone guessed his password.
I quizzed yukon directly and he kept denying using a common or easy-to-guess password.
#92. To: GrandIsland (#86)
She didn’t like cops.
A good perspective.
#93. To: Tooconservative (#91)
Goldi figured out someone guessed his password.I quizzed yukon directly and he kept denying using a common or easy-to-guess password.
I don’t know why he said that.
Goldi’s post is still out there somewhere.
And my post is still here on LF somewhere.
Where we both said we guessed his password.
#94. To: buckeroo (#92)
... perspective ...
OMG ...
You know a second big word.
I am amazed.
#95. To: Tooconservative (#91)
I don’t remember if it was made public but he was a 24/7 caregiver and everyone wondered why he was on the forum so much and so many odd hours. It was because he had to take care of his wife even at odd times and would post while he was up.
His wife passed away during that fiasco he was going through. That made it doubly bad for him.
He, harrowup and I exchanged emails for a long time after he was no longer on LP. He never expressed anger, just disappointment that someone would do such a thing to him.
I was also made aware of harrowup recurring cancer. I really didn’t know the details except he had an arm amputated and he had to give up flying his own airplane from WI to the Texas panhandle to visit friends and relatives.
I could go on but I will stop here.
I just got started down memory lane and kept keying in words.
#96. To: Tooconservative (#91)
Hey, I enjoyed the exchanges.
Later ...
#97. To: GrandIsland (#84) (Edited)
Yukon was probably the biggest asshole I ever met on the internet.
He had an ibluafartsky account here too. He didn't use it to say he was hacked. He got real quiet on it.
#98. To: GrandIsland (#86)
https://libertysflame.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19110&Disp=26#C26
#99. To: A K A Stone (#97)
He had an ibluafartsky account here too.
Even that forum handle is full of his typical contempt.
You really have to wonder about how people manage to be such deliberately toxic a-holes on the internet. Like they're total wimps in real life or have tragically small genitalia or some dire birth defect or some deep-set emotional syndrome or toxic personality disorder. yukon's constant aggression pattern always made me think he had a chronic personality disorder of some kind.
#100. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#98)
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19110&Disp=26#C26
Holy crap. That thread has a lot of page views.
Views: 134493
Anyway, it sounds like a lot for a 150+ comment thread.
#101. To: All, A K A Stone, Pinguinite, hondo68, buckeroo (#100)
That thread Stone linked is still a hoot to read through.
Even though I never posted on it, somehow I was directly quoted ((#92, SkipIntro to buckeroo), obviously talking about yukon. I had had no idea until today that I was so famous!
| "Somehow, when they come busting out of the closet like Ethel Merman on crack, you kind of wish they could have just quietly stayed in the closet with their Liza Minelli record collection instead of making everyone feel kind of icky over their late-blooming honesty. " - TooConservative |
I assume I must have posted it over at LP and it was noticed here.
Too funny.
#102. To: Tooconservative (#101)
was directly quoted ((#92, SkipIntro to buckeroo)
Skippy was banned here, probably for quoting you?
#103. To: A K A Stone (#97) (Edited)
Yukon was probably the biggest asshole I ever met on the internet.He had an ibluafartsky account here too. He didn't use it to say he was hacked. He got real quiet on it.
He also had Dirty Harold and 1 or 2 more IIRC. Or am I thinking of Mad Dog?
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
#104. To: hondo68 (#102)
Skippy was banned here, probably for quoting you?
I've no idea why he was banned. I barely recall him though I don't doubt that I posted to him a few times, as I do try to make a welcome post to new posters. I was just surprised to be quoted like that. And the phrasing is familiar; it does sound typical, like something I'd write.
#105. To: GrandIsland (#0)
Your post wasn’t addressed to me but I vaguely remember you posting something like this to someone saying, I believe that “you don’t need proof to report suspected child abuse.” Any way, I ran across this link while doing research.
FYI:
#106. To: A K A Stone, yukon (#97)
who hacked him
obvious now
backsTabbing hiT
wow
dead giveaway now
puke
vomiT
barf
snuff
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
#107. To: Tooconservative (#91) (Edited)
obviously
he used The same password here
anyone wiTh any brains
could figure ThaT ouT
I changed my lp password
right away
disgusting
liars are liars
creeps are creeps
no conscience
no morals
The finger was always poinTing here
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
#108. To: Tooconservative (#36)
[Tooconservative #36] I don't consider any naturopath qualified to provide a legit diagnosis of meningitis. Kids and adults can have fever and vomiting without having meningitis.
This naturopathic physician (NP), not MD, was not trained to distinguish between bacterial or viral infection, and failed to diagnose RSV, a virus which according to the Mayo Clinic, is "so common that most children have been infected with the virus by age 2."
Thursday, 16 May 2019Months After Police Raid, Arizona Parents Granted Custody of Their Children
Written by Raven Clabough
[Excerpt]
The Arizona DCS Oversight Group, a local advocacy group for parental rights, and State Representative Kelly Townsend (R-Mesa) spoke out in favor of the parents.
Townsend, who helped to draft legislation that requires DCS to obtain a warrant before removing children from their homes, said that DCS and the police distorted the purpose of that legislation, which was to minimize the number of children being removed by DCS and to restore due process and protections against illegal search and seizure.
“It was not the intent [of the law] that the level of force after obtaining a warrant was to bring in a SWAT team,” Townsend said. “The imagery is horrifying. What has our country become that we can tear down the doorway of a family who has a child with a high fever that disagrees with their doctor?”
The story became even more convoluted, as it appeared that DCS was making it harder for Bryce and Beck to get their children back because the parents were oppositional to DCS and communicated with media. Furthermore, the children, when originally removed from their home, were placed in separate foster-care homes, something that is atypical of this type of situation. The parents believe that DCS was purposefully making it difficult for their family.
Some also raised concerns that the parents were targeted because their children were unvaccinated.
“It was brought to my attention that these parents may have been targeted by the medical community because they hadn’t vaccinated their children,” Representative Townsend said. “I think if DCS decides to use this as a factor they would be violating a parent’s right to have a personal exemption, a religious exemption and perhaps a medical exemption,” she said.
The doctor claimed that because the toddler was unvaccinated, she was concerned that the child has meningitis, but her assertion had little credibility. According to the CDC’s vaccination schedule, the recommended age for vaccination against meningitis is 11-12 years. A two-year-old generally would not have received that vaccine even if he had pro-vax parents, unless he was in a special situation, such as having an immune deficiency or was traveling to a country where meningitis is prevalent.
Fortunately, Heber did not have meningitis, but had RSV, a common respiratory virus among young children that generally requires rest, fluids, and nasal aspirations at home.
About two months after the children were taken into temporary state custody, they were returned home under the condition that Bryce’s parents acted as “safety monitors” for the children. But on Tuesday, Maricopa County Juvenile Court Judge Timothy Ryan granted the parents custody over the children, meaning Bryce’s parents no longer have to serve as monitors, but the state is still currently retaining decision-making authority.
Amanda Steele, a spokesman for the Maricopa County Attorney’s office, said that they will not be bringing charges against the parents because they are not likely to achieve any convictions.
The police continue to defend their actions, claiming that officers were acting under an order to protect children from abuse and neglect, but critics contend that the raid was “more fitting for drug dealers,” Associated Press reports.
Bryce and Beck are continuing to seek full custody and decision-making authority over their children.
“We didn’t do anything wrong,” Bryce said.
Police recommended prosecution. The Maricopa County Attorney's office declined because they were unlikely to obtain any conviction. Perhaps they could try investigating and prosecuting the member of the CPS who provided information to obtain a warrant.
MAYO CLINICRespiratory syncytial virus (RSV)
Overview
Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) causes infections of the lungs and respiratory tract. It's so common that most children have been infected with the virus by age 2. Respiratory syncytial (sin-SISH-ul) virus can also infect adults.
In adults and older, healthy children, RSV symptoms are mild and typically mimic the common cold. Self-care measures are usually all that's needed to relieve any discomfort.
[...]
MAYO CLINICRespiratory syncytial virus (RSV)
Diagnosis and Treatment
Diagnosis
Your doctor may suspect respiratory syncytial virus based on the findings of a physical exam and the time of year the symptoms occur. During the exam, the doctor will listen to the lungs with a stethoscope to check for wheezing or other abnormal sounds.
Laboratory and imaging tests aren't usually needed. However, they can help diagnose RSV complications or rule out other conditions that may cause similar symptoms. Tests may include:
- Blood tests to check white cell counts or to look for viruses, bacteria and other germs
- Chest X-rays to check for lung inflammation
- Swab of secretions from inside the mouth or nose to check for signs of the virus
- Sometimes, painless skin monitoring (pulse oximetry) to detect lower than normal levels of oxygen in the blood
Treatment
Treatment for respiratory syncytial virus generally involves self-care measures to make your child more comfortable (supportive care). But hospital care may be needed if severe symptoms occur.
Supportive care
Your doctor may recommend an over-the-counter medication such as acetaminophen (Tylenol, others) to reduce fever. Frequent use of nasal saline drops and suctioning can help clear a stuffy nose. Your doctor may prescribe antibiotics if there's a bacterial complication, such as bacterial pneumonia.
Keep your child as comfortable as possible. Offer plenty of fluids and watch for signs of dehydration, such as dry mouth, little to no urine output, sunken eyes, and extreme fussiness or sleepiness. Hospital care
If the RSV infection is severe, a hospital stay may be necessary. Treatments at the hospital may include:
- Intravenous (IV) fluids
- Humidified oxygen
- Mechanical ventilation (breathing machine)
The doctor may recommend an inhaled form of an antiviral medicine called ribavirin (Virazole) for people with very weakened immune systems (immunocompromised).
An inhaler (bronchodilator) or steroids are not proved to be helpful in treating RSV infection.
From Associated Press as published by U.S. News & World Report.
Parents Who Refused to Bring Son to Hospital Win CustodyAn Arizona couple whose three children were taken into state custody after they refused a doctor's advice to bring their sick 2-year-old boy to hospital have won custody that lets them care for and supervise their children.
By Associated Press, Wire Service Content May 15, 2019, at 7:18 p.m.
U.S. News & World Report
Parents Who Refused to Bring Son to Hospital Win Custody
By JACQUES BILLEAUD, Associated Press
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#109. To: Tooconservative (#60)
It sounded...off...to me. So I checked it via search engine.It appears that it is lovethecock.com (singular).
Fortunately, none of us appear to have remembered it accurately.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-03-03 14:51:21 ET
Original source thread from Liberty Post:
http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=305216 [Dead link - article/comments deleted by Liberty Post, archived by nolu chan]
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Title: New favorite website
Source:
Gun broker
URL Source: http://www.lovethecock.com/
Published: Mar 27, 2011
Author: yukon
Post Date: 2011-03-27 01:39:54 by yukon
Views: 599
Comments: 51
For shooting and killing. Addicting and no libturds!
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#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0)
I used the wrong link.
yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Reply Trace
#2. To: yukon (#1)
I used the wrong link.YOU FAGGOT!
This calls for banishment!
Argus posted on 2011-03-27 1:45:44 ET Reply Trace
#3. To: Argus (#2)
This calls for banishment!For having too many browsers open, kook?
yukon posted on 2011-03-27 2:06:27 ET Reply Trace
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#110. To: Tooconservative (#100)
[Toooconservative #100]https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19110&Disp=26#C26
Holy crap. That thread has a lot of page views.
Views: 134493
Here's one with over a half-million views:
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19712Title: Lord of the Flies
Source: LibertyPost.org
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=306467&Disp=3#C6
Published: Apr 19, 2011
Author: Gatlin,yukon,harrowup and last but not l
Post Date: 2011-04-19 17:21:12 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 534063
Comments: 630
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#111. To: buckeroo (#65)
[buckeroo #65] Does anyone know what happened to yukon? His revelation about the wrong link, quickly lead to the demise of LP.
At LP, Goldi got sick of him and told him he was "Puked on permanently," and closed his account.
https://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=328665&Disp=1#C1
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0)
The ONLY person to say things, reveal the truth, and not be politically correct.RAW UNADULTERATED TRUTH.
Yet you restrict and censor me for doing the same.
yukon posted on 2012-12-01 16:31:58 ET [Locked] Trace
https://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=328665&Disp=28#C28
#28. To: yukon (#1)
you restrict and censor me for doing the same.Clearly you didn't read the terms of your probation.
You are to CEASE the attacks.
Cease the Filth.
And converse in a polite manner.
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On two seperate occastions, I was on a thread, where everyone was acting like adults having a good discussion, and BAM! there you were, unannounced, unmolested by anyone at all on that thread...
and you proceded to badmouth folks on the thread using very vulgar language.
I'm not tolerating that. I never tolerate unmitigated vile filth.
Clean up your act, or begone.
This is my final conversation with you on this issue.
I will not respond to you, or any further whining.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2012-12-02 19:07:50 ET [Locked] Trace
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#29. To: All (#28) (Edited)Goldi-Lox posted on 2012-12-02 19:19:38 ET [Locked] Trace
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#30. To: Yukon, Last Post (#29)In spite of back to back probations for attacking others, calling them names, and spewing filth...
you've done it again - all over this thread - that is IMPORTANT to me.
I'm so TIRED of you, I could just PUKE.
So YUKON, you are Puked-on permanently.
I just can't take it any more.
So sorry, so sorry...but you brought this on yourself.
good bye
gave a good life.
your account is now closed on LP.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2012-12-02 19:20:34 ET [Locked] Trace
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#112. To: nolu chan (#111)
an obvious hack
you fall for iT
dumber Than dumb
paTheTic
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
#113. To: BorisY, A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#112)
BorisY #112
an obvious hackyou fall for iT
dumber Than dumb
paTheTic
Thank you for your thorough and documented research into this matter.
The computer illiterates who attempted to push the hack story in 2011 were reduced to a laughingstock. They demonstrated they did not know an ISP from an IPA, did not recognize an impossible IPA when it stared them in the face, but their hunt for the impossible IPA was fun to watch. Their boasts of being able to hack the passwords and not leave a trace were incinerated by the Neil/Pinguinite challenge to strut their stuff. They quickly changed their story yet again to claim that Goldi guessed a password fie yukon at LP and Gatlin guessed a password for Ibluafartsky at LF, and the evildoer must have done the same. While they claimed that the guess story was back up by PM between Gatlin and Yukon. However, when A K A Stone pressed on about this alleged PM, in Stone's words, Yukon clammed up [#329]. The story culminates with all the PM having been immediately destroyed.
Of course there was no way to verify the alleged Goldi/Gatlin password guesses, even if the PM had not been destroyed. No logon with the alleged guesses could be performed as the alleged dastardly hacker had already allegedly changed both passwords. Saying I guess the password for Iblufartsky was fartsky, and yukon declaring that to be correct is bullshit, not verification.
An early failed attempt was the use of a password cracker.
https://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=305524&Disp=196#C196
#196. To: Goldi-Lox (#193)See!
I reged as WhiteSands , no space for a reason.
Apparently Anonymous has teamed with Ron Paul to swarm this site.
They don't have to hack to throw a password cracker at a log in.
WhiteSands posted on 2011-04-01 12:24:48 ET [Locked]
While it does not identify a hacker, computer generated logons by a password cracker occur at warp speed compared to keyboard entry. A batch of logon attempts performed faster than human ability may be identified by time stamps. Fail. No evidence of such a computer attack was found.
https://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=305524&Disp=198#C198
#198. To: Goldi-Lox (#193)
For those who are UNAWARE...some specific names on LP got hacked.Another person WhiteSands, had a doppleganger, White Sands...(with a space).
So, LP can easily be hacked? A person can come here and access the passwords of others to pose as them at whim? That doesn't provide much comfort for security. I was under the impression that you had safe guards in place to ensure that poster accounts were secure.
Two different screen names, isn't hacking.
stretchedmind posted on 2011-04-01 12:26:51 ET [Locked]
There is that minor problem that admitting the hacker story admits a rather large, but unidentified, security hole. Neil/Pinguinite more than adequately addressed that.
Someone creating a new account with a handle very similar to that of an existing account is not hacking.
https://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=305524&Disp=199#C199
#199. To: stretchedmind (#198)I believe one person had some people working constantly to guess his password.
They finally guessed it, and then signed in as him. This is something that no one, and no security systtem can protect against...so everyone should be sure that the password they use is something that can't be guessed by a stranger.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-04-01 12:30:46 ET [Locked]
In this early version, people plural were working constantly to guess yukon's password(s), and are assumed to have finally guessed it (or them in later versions), in minutes or on the first guess.
#484. To: A K A Stone (#482)
I will go back and answer the questions if you want me to ... no problem.BTW ... during the excitement, I think I said that someone over at LP guessed yukon's password in a few minutes.
I forgot to tell you that I guessed Ibluafartsky's password at LF on the first guess. I have the email confirming that ... of course the doubters will say that email is a fake, but IDGAS what the doubters say.
Gatlin posted on 2011-04-18 1:08:06 ET
That was reassuring.
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19712&Disp=All&#C491
#491. To: A K A Stone, war, ALL (#485)Stone, yukon said the best he remembers is that the exchange where I guessed his password on the first try was in a PM on LF. Yukon and I shared information by both email and by PM.
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Stone, I don’t trust you not to read the PMs on file at LF … I believe that you do. I don’t think you are an honorable person and I believe you to be devious. Therefore, all PMs in both yukon’s file and my file were deleted immediately after reading to preclude you snooping into the files and reading them. That is why the PM where I guessed the password no longer exists. I remember the exchange and yukon remembers the exchange … and I don’t give a rat’s shit whether you believe me or not.
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OriginalGatlin posted on 2011-04-23 11:36:58 ET [Locked]
Well, that didn't last long.
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https://www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19591&Disp=All&
Title: A question of a hack or not turns into....Lies, Insults,Gossip, Deceit, Hate, Innuendo,?TRUTH? Spreads Across the Internet
Source: [None]
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 14, 2011
Author: Yukon
Post Date: 2011-04-14 14:58:01 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 785930
Comments: 877
A thread with over three-quarters of a million views.
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https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33469&Disp=10#C10
#10. To: Abcdefg (#2)He was Ibluafartsky also verman whatever after his coming out.
A K A Stone posted on 2012-11-26 20:08:21 ET
Supposedly, the related initial contacts between Gatlin and Ibluafartsky/Yukon were on LF via PM.
Also, supposedly, when Yukon created the Vermin account, he did not contact Stone about the multiple accounts because he had forgotten all about PM. Of course, he did not need a new Vermin Exterminator account to send or receive PM until March 29, 2011, the day Ibluafartsky started a thread saying he was gay. And then he activated Vermin Exterminator and failed to PM Stone because he "forgot" about PM.
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http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19241&Disp=337#C337
#337. To: war (#285)[...]
My explanation is as it has been from day two ... yukon and Ibluafartsky used the same password at both LP and LF.
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Tater posted on 2011-04-10 21:04:05 ET [Locked]
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https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19591&Disp=374#C374
#374. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone, harrowup, ALL (#327) (Edited)[...]
Now, would you like to make a wager. I am prepred to consider a wager that I can hack your account here on LF, steal your password and post an admission/confession that you are a homosexual. (You must not have changed your password after 4/15/11). In order to make the wager, I would need a signed agreement for permissible conditions from you, and I would need the same from Stone authorizing me to be a white hat hacker (one who breaks security for non-malicious reasons such as testing the security system … as Stone would be authorizing me to do). FYI: The “white hat” hacker is also called an “ethical hacker” … and I do want to forever remain ethical. You will probably want to skip right on by this paragraph because the minimum wager must be an extremely large amount (to be specified later) for me to take time to do it … and there would be certain mutually restrictive agreed conditions, plus the monies would be held in an escrow account.
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OriginalGatlin posted on 2011-04-16 20:13:17 ET
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http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23395&Disp=367#C367
#367. To: nolu chan, Robin (#301)
A hacker who could get into any yukon account in minutes wouldn't care about the slight possibility of a password change.I've had very minimal net access for about the last month, so am late in responding.
There have been suggestions aired that my software has a vulnerability that allows hackers to determine passwords at will. If there is, I don't know what that is. For that matter, even though I have full access to the server hosting this site, I do not know how to determine anyone's PW (short of modifying the software to report it too me as people log in) as it is encoded in the data files and I don't have the means, at least as I sit here, to decode that data. And that's with access to the server hosting the site.
There is at least one vulnerability that I know of and it would be remedied by making the site encrypted (https vs http). But even that vulnerability would require some kind of wiretapping access to the data going between the server and user which is something the NSA or backbone ISPs would have. Individual hackers working from home wouldn't normally have that wiretapping access.
I'll go on record with this challenge: If there's a hacker out there who can determine passwords, I challenge him/her to change my PW.
Exceptions: #1) A brute force trial and error approach of having a computer attempt to long in millions of times with all kinds of PWs could eventually stumble upon the target's PW. #2) A victim who had a simple PW, like say using their screen name as a PW could be hacked as well just by someone trying obvious PWs.
I think those exceptions and wiretapping aside, it would be pretty tough to determine PWs.
Pinguinite posted on 2011-05-15 1:08:51 ET
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Thus ended the bullshit stories about being able to just hack on in and grab passwords and not leave a trace behind.
Of course, after the initial hacked and stolen link bullshit story was demolished, but before the last bullshit story, came an intermediate bullshit story, or two.
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19824&Disp=19#C19
#19. To: calcon (#15)deleted again
OriginalGatlin posted on 2011-04-24 11:10:49 ET
Deleted, but it lives on.
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19824&Disp=28#C28
#28. To: calcon (#19) (Edited)
(Gatlin) The gay link was never posted to show that yukon was a homo ... the gay link was posted to draw out and expose posters like you.It is doing that ...
We have just witnessed the birth of a new cover story.
Let us all now join together to sing a rousing rendition of "Happy Birthday!"
EVERYBODY! "Happy birthday to youuuuuuuuuuuuuu ........
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Wood_Chopper posted on 2011-04-24 11:29:57 ET
Of course the gay link was deliberately posted, not to show that yukon was a homo, but to draw out posters like calcon.
As many as three quarters of a million views to a thread at LF attest to the entertainment value of the flailing bullshit stories that were thrown against the wall in a futile attempt to defend yukon. They came from far and near to see yukon crash and burn. They were not disappointed.
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Anyone who posts a dot decimal IPA containing "291" is not likely to be a master hacker. There was a string of "brilliant" poster comments about trying to track this IPA unsuccessfully. Much later, Gatlin was still trying to defend it as a valid IPA. He never seemed to address how he could shovel 291 into 8 bits of binary memory.
These would-be hackers look like incompetents who were unable to figure out WHY 95.154.230.291 was invalid.
#907.
To: ALL, yukon, Gatlin, 22Rifle, Internet sleuths (#906)I'm posting the IP of the person who hacked Yukon's posting file.
95.154.230.253 password hacker (hacked yukon)
95.154.230.291
Maybe someone can find him/her. Isn't there some legal precident for filing a lawsuit for doing that? Remember someone hacked Palin's email...and I think the guy went to jail, or something bad happened to him.
Anyone Know?
Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-04-04 17:54:56 ET
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#911. To: Goldi-Lox (#907)95.154.230.291 is not a valid IP address.
Retrieving DNS records for 95.154.230.291... Attempt to get a DNS server for 95.154.230.291 failed: 95.154.230.291 does not exist in the DNS
WhiteSands posted on 2011-04-04 18:04:09 ET
No value of 291 can exist in one byte of computer memory.
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#914. To: Goldi-Lox (#909)
95.154.230.291A total dead end on the second ... I did a copy and paste, do I have the correct numbers?
Gatlin posted on 2011-04-04 18:05:09 ET
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#916. To: Goldi-Lox (#914)
95.154.230.291 is an invalid IP addressGot that back on the second try.
Gatlin posted on 2011-04-04 18:08:45 ET
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Searched DNS records for 291. Check.
Did a copy and paste and retried to be sure. Check.
The group no awareness that 291 is mathematically impossible. One byte of computer memory contains eight bits, and that provides a number range from 0 to 255. That is 256, 28 possibilities, including the zero. 111111112 = 255. Can't get no mo'.
Master computer hackers strutting their stuff. The whole lot of the incompetent computer illiterates demonstrated for all to see that they did not even know what numbers were valid in an IPA (Internet Protocol Address). These were the experts who were lecturing. Binary numbers befuddled them. The Keystone Kops of computer hacking.
http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23395&Disp=219#C219 [dead link/site, The Nest, TPF, The Peoples Forum]
#219. To: Fred Mertz, mcgowanjm, Robin, The Talking Mouse, IDontThinkSo, _'+?@!, war (#218)CRITIQUE OF TATER/GATLIN'S EXPLANATION
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#914. To: Goldi-Lox (#909)95.154.230.291
A total dead end on the second ... I did a copy and paste, do I have the correct numbers?
Gatlin posted on 2011-04-04 18:05:09 ET Reply Trace
No, Adrian Lamo wannabe white hat hacker, you do not have the right numbers. The right numbers range from 000-255.
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nolu chan posted on 2011-04-17 15:21:07 ET
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19712&Disp=486#C486
#486. To: harrowup (#485)
Easter Monday will be a good day for both LP & LF and a very nasty day for bucky and several of his cohorts,You'll want to draw more than your 'curtains', Bobby.
While you're busy trying to scare the shit out of everyone Mr. Mighty Hacker, can you explain how you can get 291 out of 11111111.
Oh, and what precautions you've taken against being hacked yourself?
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Wood_Chopper posted on 2011-04-23 1:30:25 ET
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#114. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#113)
Certainly a series of worthy and well-researched posts.
Unfortunately, I just don't want to post at LF any more.
The Truthers, the Trump-haters, the cop-haters, the weirdos publishing their own promos for their crappy self-published wacko prophecy books (Barry Midyet), the bizarre cross-forum posts of fake-illiterates (Boris), and now the crowning achievement of LF free speech, the Flat Earthers, have so degraded the value of LF as a site worth posting to on a regular basis, that I have chosen to disregard LF as a forum that I want to post on.
So thanks for these posts. But I'll pass on doing much posting here at LF. Free speech shouldn't mean a forum wide-open for any kook that wanders in and wants to use LF as a platform for themselves at Stone's expense and regardless of how many people are driven away when wackos control the sidebar.
It would help IMO if Neil re-instituted the Biker Bar feature. While it was discontinued over at LP due to its tendency to bog down site response times when the database had grown to a certain size, that wouldn't be a problem at LF if some reasonable moderation was used. But paying attention to LF's content is the primary problem it has. You don't need a Biker Bar if you're willing to impose some hard and fast standards on the site as a whole. But that isn't going to happen either.
I've found other places to post. I suggest you do the same. The last thing you'll ever get at LF is a fair and meaty debate of the issues.
#115. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#114)
Unfortunately, I just don't want to post at LF any more.The Truthers, the Trump-haters, the cop-haters, the weirdos publishing their own promos for their crappy self-published wacko prophecy books (Barry Midyet), the bizarre cross-forum posts of fake-illiterates (Boris), and now the crowning achievement of LF free speech, the Flat Earthers, have so degraded the value of LF as a site worth posting to on a regular basis, that I have chosen to disregard LF as a forum that I want to post on.
It has become a repository of wacko dingbat bullshit and fake news. Flat Earthers are supplemented by Bigfoot; marijuana is the universal cureall; cops brutalize or kill innocent man who dindu nuttin, for no reason at all; CPS kidnaps babies; and WW2 "lasted exactly 3½ years as prophesied," (1939-1945?); etc., etc., etc. It's embarrassing to be associated with.
Unfortunately, I just don't want to post at LF any more either.
I did not post at all from 3/5 until 5/23, and only sporadically since.
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#116. To: nolu chan (#115) (Edited)
Well, in the future, we can both stop by here again and compare notes on how pure and idealistic we are to avoid posting here at all.
LOL. Stay well.
Maybe I'll post a little trollbait in the sidebar tonight. King Donald had a little victory tonight that he's tweeting about. It can't be any crazier than the usual batshit that gets posted on LF's sidebar.
It's embarrassing to be associated with.
Exactly so. My posting here dropped off sharply after I asked myself, "Would you ever invite anyone to post here at LF?". And you're right: it is too embarrassing to let anyone IRL know that I even read this forum.
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