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Title: French Government Threatens Town With A Fine Of 2000 Euros A Day If It Does Not Remove Nativity Set
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URL Source: http://shoebat.org/2018/12/14/frenc ... -does-not-remove-nativity-set/
Published: Dec 15, 2018
Author: Andrew Bieszad
Post Date: 2018-12-15 10:33:56 by A K A Stone
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Comments: 22
The French government is a threatening a town with a fine of 2000 euros a day if it does not remove a Nativity set. According to one report from Valeurs: 2,000 euros per day late. This is the risk of the town of Béziers if it does not “withdraw within 48 hours the Nativity set installed in the courtyard of the Hôtel de Ville,” reports Franceinfo . The prefecture of Herault seized the administrative court of Montpellier in early December for the immediate move of the Nativity set, which already last year, created a controversy. But the mayor, Robert Ménard, persists. “The installation of such a Nativity set, on a temporary basis, at the initiative of a public person, in a public place, is only legally possible when it is of a cultural, artistic or festive nature, without expressing the recognition of a cult or mark a religious preference,” says the administrative court, quoted by the prefecture. Justice considers that even if the nursery is installed in the main courtyard, it “remains however in the enclosure of the public building which shelters the seat of the commune”.
Poster Comment: What idiots the French are. The Generals already said Macron is a traitor. Cut the pricks head off. Isn't that what they do in kooky France.
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#5. To: (#0)
So I started to cut and paste a list of cities, towns, villages in America, and American court decisions banning nativity scenes. I stopped at twenty because I got bored. But yep, those French sure are stupid when compared to Americans. I hope that the major of Besieres leaves up the nativity scene and pays the fines - it is, after all, just public money, much of which came from the French state in the first place. Ok, we'll just budget the fine money out of the cash you give us. Easy peasy lemon squeesy.
I have to admit I am surprised. Nobody ever tried to explain to those goobers that the US Constitution does NOT give them or anyone else the right to never be offended. Either suck it up,or move to the police state of your choice.
Nobody ever tried to explain to those goobers that the US Constitution does NOT give them or anyone else the right to never be offended. I agree with you. But the Courts in many places do not agree with us. And they're the ones with the power to decide what the Constitution means. So, while you and I would prefer that the Constitution be interpreted one way, Courts all over this nation disagree with us and interpret it another way. And they win because the governments and police and people are going to obey them, not us. I recall back in Columbia Law School I argued vociferously and stubbornly against the student mandated school policy that all law students had to do 40 hours of approved pro-bono community service in order to graduate. I don't think I persuaded anyone. And I did my 40 hours because I wanted to graduate. I also never contribute a dime to Columbia on account of that, and I never will. They extracted involuntary service out of me to serve their causes. They'll never get a dime out of me voluntarily. I do regularly give to other institutions, but not a dime to them, not ever.
It isn't a matter of interpreting it "my" way or "your" way. It is a matter of what does the document say. It isn't hard to understand. It is like third grade stuff.
No, that's third grade logic. Words on a page do not read themselves, and they do not enforce themselves. Laws are enforced by uniformed men with guns. Uniformed men with guns obey chains of command. The tops of chains of command obey Presidents and Court Orders. Presidents also obey Court orders. Therefore, laws will be enforced by men who obey men who obey Court interpretations of words, not by yours or my interpretations of words, no matter how "clear" the words are to you (or to me). You would like your country and its Constitution to be like your religion and its Bible, which each of you Protestants interprets as is "obvious" to you. But country and its Constitution are like the Catholic Church, with a hierarchy of authority, and a Supreme Court that has the final power to say what the Constitution means. Every man who commands every man in uniform accepts that, and every man in uniform obeys. So that's the way it is - regardless of how any of us think it SHOULD be, it isn't that way. The Constitution means what the Supreme Court says it means. The Supreme Court is the Vatican, the Curia and the Pope when it comes to the civic bible of the USA: the Constitution.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
The words have fixed meanings. Interpreting them is when they make up stuff like they did with interstate commerce. If they just use a dictionary to know what a word means or meant at the time. That is proper intreoretation.
You have been brainwashed by law school to believe nothing has any actual meaning. Lawyers MUST distort and confuse,or find some honest way to earn a living.
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#8. To: Vicomte13 (#5)
So I started to cut and paste a list of cities, towns, villages in America, and American court decisions banning nativity scenes. I stopped at twenty because I got bored.
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
I have to admit I am surprised.
#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
So, while you and I would prefer that the Constitution be interpreted one way,
#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)
It isn't a matter of interpreting it "my" way or "your" way. It is a matter of what does the document say. It isn't hard to understand. It is like third grade stuff.
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#15. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
Words on a page do not read themselves, and they do not enforce themselves.
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