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Title: Trump Announces He’s a Few Weeks From Banning Bump Stocks
Source: From The Trenches/10th Amendment Center
URL Source: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... rom-banning-bump-stocks/235057
Published: Oct 19, 2018
Author: Joe Wolverton, II
Post Date: 2018-10-20 14:17:05 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 19049
Comments: 148

Tenth Amendment Center – by Joe Wolverton, II

President Donald Trump promises that he is “just a few weeks” from issuing regulations that would outlaw bump fire stocks.

“We’re knocking out bump stocks,” Trump said at a White House news conference on October 1. “We’re in the final two or three weeks, and I’ll be able to write out bump stocks.”  

This Republican president’s promise to “write out” bump fire stocks sounds suspiciously like his Democratic predecessor’s claim to possess the power to use his phone and pen to make law.

“I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Barack Obama proclaimed in 2014. “And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions,” he added.

This two-party, one policy situation is decades old. Regarding the presidential penchant for disarming the American people, I am reminded of a story I wrote in January 2014:

“In an executive ‘Fact Sheet’ issued January 3 by the White House, the president purports to establish new guidelines for “keep[ing] Guns out of Potentially Dangerous Hands.”

NOTE: Originally published at The New American Magazine and reposted here with permission from the author.

The next paragraph of that story can now be applied to both President Obama and President Trump:

“What President Obama — a former part-time law professor — seems not to understand is that every time he issues some executive order, presidential finding, or ‘fact sheet,’ he is exceeding the constitutional limits on his power and thereby violating his oath of office.”

All you need to do is change the last name of the president and change the words “fact sheet” to “memorandum” and the story is no different.

President Trump is exercising that same unconstitutional “authority” to infringe significantly on the rights protected by the Second Amendment, specifically, the right to “keep and bear arms.”

Trump’s attack on the Second Amendment in the form of banning bump fire stocks should come as no surprise.

In fact, back in February the president issued an official memorandum ordering the Department of Justice “to dedicate all available resources to complete the review of the comments received, and, as expeditiously as possible, to propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns.” Lest there be any misunderstanding, the memo identifies the device in question as “bump fire stocks and similar devices.”

For those of you counting on the National Rifle Association (NRA) to come to the defense of the Second Amendment, you probably don’t want to read any further.

The NRA released the following statement regarding federal regulation of bump fire stocks:

The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.

So, no help from the NRA for Americans who believed the group to be defenders of the Second Amendment.

Of course, such a statement isn’t surprising considering that the very same press release reveals that the NRA doesn’t understand the purpose of the Second Amendment.

“In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans’ Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities,” the statement reads.

Wrong.

Our Founding Fathers were not concerned about protecting a man’s right to keep his home and family safe from “danger.” Our Founding Fathers protected the individual’s right to keep and bear arms because they knew that such was the only way to avoid being enslaved by tyrants.

They knew from their study of history that a tyrant’s first move was always to disarm the people, and generally to claim it was for their safety, and to establish a standing army so as to convince the people that they didn’t need arms to protect themselves, for the tyrant and his professional soldiers would do it for them. Sound familiar?

Consider this gem from William Blackstone, a man of immense and undeniable influence on the Founders and their understanding of rights, civil and natural.

In Volume I of his Commentaries on the Laws of England, Blackstone declares “the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.”

Would anyone in America — or the world, for that matter — argue that the “sanctions of society and laws” are sufficient to “restrain violence” or oppression?

Thus, the people must be armed.

Commenting on Blackstone’s Commentaries, eminent Founding Era jurist and constitutional scholar St. George Tucker put a finer point on the purpose of protecting the natural right of all people to keep and bear arms. He wrote:

This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.

Enough said.

As for President Trump, he has done many things consistent with his solemn oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. His issuing of a regulation to shrink the scope of the Second Amendment is not one of them, however.

It’s this easy: Article I, Section 1 of the Constitution grants federal lawmaking power exclusively to the Congress.

Regardless of the word he uses to describe it, any time the president orders the executive branch to create law by executive decree, he is usurping the authority of the legislature.

Finally, in his memo, President Trump writes that he was motivated to begin the process of banning bump fire stocks “after the deadly mass murder in Las Vegas, Nevada, on October 1, 2017.”

No matter how many people are clamoring for protection, no matter how many madmen go on murderous sprees, the president is not constitutionally authorized to take “executive actions” that encroach upon rights protected by the Constitution — in this case, the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Apart from his work as a journalist, Joe Wolverton, II is a professor of American Government at Chattanooga State and was a practicing attorney until 2009. He lives in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Since 2000, Joe has been a featured contributor to The New American magazine. Most recently, he has written a cover story article on the Tea Party movement, as well as a five-part series on the unconstitutionality of Obamacare.

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#26. To: nolu chan, new and improved Kent State, Molon Labe (#25) (Edited)

open carry on the Kent State campus

Not on her watch, Donnell and David Hogg's goons don't stand a chance at the new and improved Kent State.

Gun girl has put the fear of God into the Trump/Hogg gun grabbers


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-21   0:46:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68 (#16)

Hondope and partner prom pic on twitter. How sweet.

https://twitter.com/cameron_kasky/status/988454056615202817

Cameron Kasky
@cameron_kasky

Prom 2018
9:26 AM - 23 Apr 2018

It looks like your inner yukon snuck out of the closet again.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-21   1:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68 (#26)

Not on her watch, Donnell and David Hogg's goons don't stand a chance at the new and improved Kent State.

She is not a student or faculty at Kent State. She can lawfully open carry on campus per Ohio law. She is a visitor and does not fall under the Board of Trustees' policy statement: "The policy provides a declaration by the Board that deadly weapons are prohibited on all university grounds, unless otherwise permitted by Ohio law."

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-21   1:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard, hondo68 (#22)

Trump cultists don't care as long as it's "their boy" doing the infringing.

Beautiful plumage the poodle's tailors wove him ehh?

VxH  posted on  2018-10-21   1:56:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Stoner (#2)

Deregulate suppressors and regulate (not ban) bump stocks. Fair trade.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-10-21   10:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#7)

" it's several decades too late to save my hearing. "

I am with you on that. I use to laugh at people that used ear plugs shooting 22's. No more. I do the same now. Abused myself too much when I was younger !!

Now I wear them even when using 22's. Hearing is bad now, just do not want it to deteriorate further.

Wife says if I get any worse, she will have to get one of those battery bull horns. I said " Huh " LOL !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2018-10-21   11:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: VxH (#29)

- - - - - - - - - -

The Great, the Magnificient President Donald J. Trump

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-21   13:08:19 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: nolu chan, Dan Rather team, Hogg Bros (#32)

Dan Rather (3rd from left) hosts a SiriusXM Roundtable Special Event with Parkland, Florida, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Students and activists (L-R) Alex Wind, Emma Gonzalez, David Hogg, Cameron Kasky, and Jaclyn Corin at SiriusXM Studio on March 23, 2018 in Washington, DC.


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-21   13:45:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68 (#33)

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-21   15:04:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#26)

I probably have a similar look on my face when I look at her too,but for different reasons. Mine is related to the sudden loss of blood pressure to the brain.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-21   19:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#0)

Bump stocks effectively turn a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic weapon. Machine guns have been illegal since the 1920s. A clever person found a clever way to make a machine gun. Of course that can be regulated to nothing.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-21   20:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13, Full Auto is legal (#36) (Edited)

Machine guns have been illegal since the 1920s

That's incorrect, there are many firing full auto at Knob Creek and elsewhere.

NFA '34 levied a $200 tax stamp on them. There are many machine guns in private hands, "legally".

Canadian Senator goes full auto, legally....


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-21   20:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: hondo68 (#37)

Yes, ok, there are machine guns in private hands. But they are tightly regulated. It is difficult to get a legal automatic weapon.

As a society, we have drawn the line at automatic weapons. You can have semi-automatic weapons, but full automatics are difficult to come by legally, and buying one requires a lot of extra steps.

This seems like a reasonable place to draw the line. In a similar vein, I don't mind if airplane aficionados buy and fly World War II bombers. I do mind if they are able to arm them with bombs.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-21   20:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13, hates us because we are free, wanabe tyrant (#38)

I do mind if they are able to arm them with bombs.

You hate us because we're free. Trump will sell anything to the Saudi's, but US citizens have infringements.

Well ya, Joe Sixpack doesn't have $110 Billion to spend on arms. Not Saudi Prince's, so we're screwed.


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-21   21:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: hondo68 (#39)

Do you have a job Hondo? Minimum wage? Welfare?

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-10-21   21:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: hondo68 (#39)

Oh for God's sake, seriously? Machine guns have been illegal for nearly a century. Have we been unfree for a century? More?

I think that the gun laws should be set to keep machine guns out of private hands. Machine guns and missile launchers, bombs, nukes, anti-aircraft weapons, etc.

Private people having THOSE weapons in their hands doesn't make ANY of us free - it holds us all hostage to nutjobs who cook off all the time. We SEE nutjobs cook off right HERE on THIS small website all the time.

Drawing the line THERE, at machine guns, makes sense to me. I don't believe that it's a matter of cutting off your freedom to say you can't have machine guns, land mines, Hawk missile batteries, Stinger missiles, Claymore mines and a nuke in your basement. Jesus Christ, man, you people sound like lunatics when you suggest that ANY sort of rational restriction on gun ownership renders you unfree. It's nuts.

Semiautomatic weapons? Sure - I think we should be able to have those. Also handguns - I think we should be able to carry those in most places. I don't think we should have to register every gun or license everybody. Broad guns rights are great.

But unlimited open-ended possession of any sort of weapons? Nukes in your basement? No. Machine guns? No. No, our society will not be FREE, in any meaningful sense, when nutjobs can cook off and hose down 100, 200, 100,000 people at a shot before they can be stopped.

Common sense has got to prevail. You put yourself out of the pale of even getting to sit at the table when you bleed out the eyes at ANY sort of restriction on weapons. That hasn't ever really been our law. It's not our law now. It's not going to BE our law.

Now, if you and your ilk are rational and admit that, yeah, weapons of mass destruction are not protected by the 2nd Amendment, then people will accept you at the table. But if you take an absolutist hard line, then your guns rights ends up being lost because you're not even in the room, the only people left standing up for gun rights are people like me. And I understand why machine guns are where the line has to be drawn.

Engage rationally on the question, don't go crying that you're being enslaved because you aren't allowed to have your own person nuke. COME ON, man.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-21   22:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: hondo68, Vicomte13 (#37)

NFA '34 levied a $200 tax stamp on them. There are many machine guns in private hands, "legally".

There are 186,619 transferable machine guns in the USA. Only machine guns lawfully possessed before May 19, 1986 qualify.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-21   23:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: nolu chan (#42)

Those machine guns are all full auto, I assume?

And they’re all registered, so the BATF knows where they are, yes?

And if one man, say, who runs a mosque or has a compound out in Idaho, accumulates 15, 20, 30, 1000 of them, the government will know that, because those weapons are tracked, true?

If a mosque or a militia starts accumulating legal machine guns, there will be government spies sent to see what is going on, yes? We don’t pretend that the accumulation of machine guns is like collecting flowers, because we’re not obligated by the 2nd Amendment to be blind idiots. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Right?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-22   7:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#43)

There are 186,619 transferable machine guns in the USA. Only machine guns lawfully possessed before May 19, 1986 qualify.

Those machine guns are all full auto, I assume?

And they’re all registered, so the BATF knows where they are, yes?

All full auto machine guns. Only those machine guns lawfully in civilian possession before May 19, 1986 may be lawfully in civilian possession today. If a machine gun was not registered on a Form 4S prior to May 19, 1986, it may not be lawfully transferred to a civilian today.

No new machine guns may be manufactured for civilian possession. No weapon of new manufacture can be registered on Form 4S prior to May 19, 1986.

The restricting issue, and the cost inflating issue, is not the $200 tax stamp. All such weapons must have been owned and registered before May 19, 1986. Demand exceeds supply, and unless the law changes, supply will never exceed the 186,619 of such registered weapons that existed in 1986.

BATF may not know where they are all at, but they know who they are registered to and in whose custody they are supposed to be.

And if one man, say, who runs a mosque or has a compound out in Idaho, accumulates 15, 20, 30, 1000 of them, the government will know that, because those weapons are tracked, true?

Their lawful transfer generates a required paper trail. They must authorize the transfer, or the unauthorized transfer of the weapon results in unlawful possession and a weapon that may be seized as contraband.

If a mosque or a militia starts accumulating legal machine guns, there will be government spies sent to see what is going on, yes? We don’t pretend that the accumulation of machine guns is like collecting flowers, because we’re not obligated by the 2nd Amendment to be blind idiots. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Right?

I believe all you said is correct.

Of possible interest:

Saul Cornell and Nathan DeDino, A Well Regulated Right: The Early American Origins of Gun Control, 73 Fordham L. Rev. 487 (2004).

Available at: http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/flr/vol73/iss2/3

Saul Cornell, St. George Tucker and the Second Amendment: Original Understandings and Modern Misunderstandings, 47 Wm. & Mary L. Rev. 1123 (2006).

Available at: http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/wmlr/vol47/iss4/3

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-22   12:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

Machine guns have been illegal since the 1920s.

No,they haven't. It would be un-Constitutional to ban them,so the goobermint came up with a permit system called a "Class 3 Licence" to buy,own,or possess full-auto weapons and "weapons of mass destruction".

You have to fill out feral papers and have them approved by your local Chief of Police or Sheriff,and he has to send them off to the feral government. I forget now how much the "tax stamp" costs for each weapon these days,but IIRC,it was 300 bucks back in the 30's when this un-Constitutional insanity started,and that was a massive amount of money at that time.

The fee remained at that level until Bubba and a DIM Congress managed to achieve a run-around the Constitution by the simple method of destroying every surplus Class 3 weapon in their inventory. This in effect is a ban because there are no longer any more surplus full-auto weapons to be released,and this means the price for something simple like a M3 Greasegun that used to be available for 400-500 bucks is now several thousand bucks,and getting more expensive every day.

Bubba even had surplus weapons we gave to other nations confiscated and destroyed or put out of reach by dumping them in the deep ocean. I personally knew people who told me that what looked like brand new BAR's,Thompsons,M-2 Carbines,M3s,and M-14's were taken out to sea and dumped with BATF agents supervising and writing down the serial numbers.

No problem for Bubba and his bodyguards because the government provides full auto weapons to guard him and his family,and no real problem for his golf partners,because it is chump change to them.

There is no longer any practical way for a blue-collar worker to legally own one because he just can't afford it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   19:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Vicomte13 (#38)

As a society, we have drawn the line at automatic weapons. You can have semi-automatic weapons, but full automatics are difficult to come by legally, and buying one requires a lot of extra steps.

This seems like a reasonable place to draw the line.

That's because you don't know WTF you are talking about. These are THE very weapons the Second Amendment was written to protect.

In a similar vein, I don't mind if airplane aficionados buy and fly World War II bombers. I do mind if they are able to arm them with bombs.

This proves you don't know WTF you are talking about.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   19:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: hondo68 (#39)

Trump will sell anything to the Saudi's, but US citizens have infringements.

You really are turning into a fucking idiot.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   19:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Vicomte13 (#41)

Machine guns have been illegal for nearly a century.

Really? Damn shame you weren't around to hear my local sheriff tell his secretary to sign off on anything I wanted,including machine guns,without having to ask him when I applied for my CCW permit.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   19:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#46)

That's because you don't know WTF you are talking about. are THE very weapons the Second Amendment was written to protect.

Yep, 100 years before they were invented, that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Mmmmhmmm. Seems legit.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-23   20:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: sneakypete (#48)

Ok, let's play then. Machine guns are protected by the Second Amendment, you say.

How about nukes? Does the 2nd Amendment guarantee your right to have a personal nuke in your basement?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-23   20:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Vicomte13, wanabe tyrants, *Bill of Rights-Constitution* (#49)

Yep, 100 years before they were invented, that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Mmmmhmmm. Seems legit.

The founding fathers knew that wanabe tyrants will always exist, so arms parity with the military.

Come and take them, Piers13!


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-23   21:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: hondo68 (#51)

arms parity with the miltiary

So, the Second Amendment guarantees your right to possess your own personal nuke?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-23   21:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Vicomte13, amateurs (#52)

So, the Second Amendment guarantees your right to possess your own personal nuke?

I've have a zero 'Unexpected Event' record.

Texas Nuclear Weapons Facility Pantex Activates Emergency Response Team Because of 'Unexpected Event'


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-23   21:44:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: hondo68 (#53)

I've have a zero 'Unexpected Event' record.

That's swell. But do you claim that the Second Amendment guarantees your right to your own personal nuke?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-23   22:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#45)

[Vicomte13 #36] Machine guns have been illegal since the 1920s.

[sneakypete #45] No,they haven't. It would be un-Constitutional to ban them,so the goobermint came up with a permit system called a "Class 3 Licence" to buy,own,or possess full-auto weapons and "weapons of mass destruction".

[sneakypete #46] That's because you don't know WTF you are talking about. These are THE very weapons the Second Amendment was written to protect.

The Second Amendment protects those weapons typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes. Your position that a ban of machineguns would be unconstitutional is explicitly overruled by the U.S. Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 624-25 (2008).

We may as well consider at this point (for we will have to consider eventually) what types of weapons Miller permits. Read in isolation, Miller’s phrase “part of ordinary military equipment” could mean that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected. That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act’s restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939. We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. The traditional militia was formed from a pool of men bringing arms “in common use at the time” for lawful purposes like self-defense. “In the colonial and revolutionary war era, [small-arms] weapons used by militiamen and weapons used in defense of person and home were one and the same.” State v. Kessler, 289 Ore. 359, 368, 614 P. 2d 94, 98 (1980) (citing G. Neumann, Swords and Blades of the American Revolution 6–15, 252–254 (1973)). Indeed, that is precisely the way in which the Second Amendment’s operative clause furthers the purpose announced in its preface. We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns. That accords with the historical understanding of the scope of the right, see Part III, infra.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-23   22:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Vicomte13 (#54)

do you claim that the Second Amendment guarantees your right to your own personal nuke?

No, it's a God given natural right.


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-23   22:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: hondo68, Vicomte13 (#56)

it's a God given natural right.

The U.S. Constitution does not protect those rights. Enjoy your bombs in the afterlife.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-23   22:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: nolu chan (#57)

bombs in the afterlife.

Yeah, sure Mohammed.


Hondo68  posted on  2018-10-23   23:13:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Vicomte13 (#49)

Yep, 100 years before they were invented, that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Mmmmhmmm. Seems legit.

Yes,in FACT,it IS legitimate.

The 2nd Amendment was written so that US citizens would have ready access to military-grade weapons in case any future governments seized power. They realized that the people could not fight a professional military without military grade weapons.

They even wrote in discussion that individual Americans would be guaranteed unrestricted access to "weapons such as carried by typical soldiers". In Colonial times this mean smooth-bore muskets as a MINIMUM/

Crew-served weapons were maintained by villages and cities,for issue to the militia if they were called up.

The exception to this were ships,which were allowed to carry cannons.

The 2nd Amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting,gun collecting,or target shooting. They are just side benefits. The 2nd Amendment exists so American citizens would have the ability to defeat a standing army if it ever became necessary.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   23:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Vicomte13 (#50)

Ok, let's play then. Machine guns are protected by the Second Amendment, you say.

How about nukes? Does the 2nd Amendment guarantee your right to have a personal nuke in your basement?

Are nukes individual weapons,numbnuts?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   23:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Vicomte13 (#54)

That's swell. But do you claim that the Second Amendment guarantees your right to your own personal nuke?

While it seems clear your understanding of firearms is immense,could you help out those of us who aren't as knowledgeable as you by splaining to usens how a automatic rifle is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb or missile?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   23:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: nolu chan (#55)

The Second Amendment protects those weapons typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes. Your position that a ban of machineguns would be unconstitutional is explicitly overruled by the U.S. Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 624-25 (2008).

Heller is not only wrong,it is un-Constitutional. It was a anti-gun brain fart ran though a cherry-picked anti-gun district court in Washington,DC.

That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act’s restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939.

Machine guns were first issued to US troops in the 1800's,and this just goes to show you how freaking ignorant of reality the DC court was and is.

. We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns.

Legalize mumbo-jumbo bullshit with NO historical fact behind it. There were NO legal restrictions on weapons before the 1930's,and in FACT you could order a machine gun from a Sears catalog if you wanted. That communist bastard Roosevelt and his commie wife-cousin were behind this.

This is a PERFECT example of our courts using their power to break the laws themselves. The only reason these laws still stand is because no court that has the authority to overrule them is ever allowed to take the case.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   23:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: nolu chan (#57)

The U.S. Constitution does not protect those rights.

Yes,it does. The fact that corrupt judges use their political biases to break the laws themselves is irrelevant.

The 2nd Amendment says what it says,not what anti-gun asshats in black robes want it to say.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-23   23:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: hondo68 (#56)

do you claim that the Second Amendment guarantees your right to your own personal nuke?

No, it's a God given natural right.

WRONG!

Nuclear bombs are CLEARLY crew-served weapons,and the 2nd Amendment only refers and applies to weapons "typical of those carried by the common soldier."

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-10-24   0:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#63)

The fact that corrupt judges use their political biases to break the laws themselves is irrelevant.

The 2nd Amendment says what it says,not what anti-gun asshats in black robes want it to say.

The interpretation of the Second Amendment given by the U.S. Supreme Court is the recognized law of the land.

Nobody gives a crap what some cranky old asshat blogger has to say.

This is the irrationality of libertarians. They think their hairbrained opinions are the law. Reality says it just ain't so.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-24   0:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#64)

the 2nd Amendment only refers and applies to weapons "typical of those carried by the common soldier."

That's bass ackwards.

Heller, 554 U.S. 570, Syllabus

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-24   1:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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