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Title: How to Fix Your Sad and Sluggish Sperm
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NY Times
URL Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/style/sperm-count.html
Published: Jul 27, 2018
Author: Nellie Bowles
Post Date: 2018-07-27 09:30:01 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 1611
Comments: 25
SAN FRANCISCO — Dr. Paul Turek was on his way to speak to employees at a cryptocurrency investment firm one recent afternoon about a growing anxiety for the men in the office: what’s going on with their sperm? Is there enough? Is the existing supply satisfactory? Are we men enough? “They’re worried, right?” Dr. Turek said. “And we’re O.K. with the worry.” Last summer, a meta-analysis of 185 studies in which semen was collected over the past 40 years indicated that sperm concentration seemed to have consistently and remarkably declined in the course of a generation. Different clusters of people — urologists, anthropologists, men’s rights activists and start-up founders — became quietly concerned about the state of sperm. Quiet, probably, because Americans are more used to talking about women and fecundity. And also quiet because there has not been much research aimed at discovering if anything is actually happening. Still, the study has had social impact. Some men’s rights communities are gathering around the idea that sperm counts are dropping because men are being feminized by society. There is now growing interest in testosterone replacement therapy, which some believe boosts sperm count. At the same time, smartphone-enabled at-home sperm tests are entering a heated market. “We’ve been looking for this for years,” Dr. Turek said. “We were hoping it existed.” He hopes to turn sperm panic into a tool for preventive health. He sees a moment in which we can convince young men to take better care of their health overall to see their sperm quickly improve. “As we dive deep into sperm,” he said, “we find that lifestyle matters most.” The study has become a foundational text for an online community that believes men are being emasculated by modern culture. In this manosphere — digital spaces created to discuss and sometimes profit from a counternarrative to feminism — commenters see this as scientific evidence that modern society is bad for men. “Betas make no sperm,” a Red Pill blogger announced. Daryush Valizadeh, who runs The Return of Kings, a men’s rights site, called the situation “a biological crisis” and one that women struggle to understand. “Tell your editor to stop being an idiot and reassign the article to a man,” he wrote in a direct message on Twitter. “Then get in touch with me.” Rollo Tomassi, another leader in the manosphere, who runs a site called The Rational Male, said the sperm count study last year was a watershed moment. To his mind, it showed definitively that modern society was weakening men. “For guys in the ’sphere, there’s finally some sort of barometer to test their overall health from a historical perspective,” Mr. Tomassi said. He said men who believe this cite the idea that there could be trace amounts of birth control in the water supply and also cite myths about foods like soy. He, however, prefers to blame egalitarian socialization. “We don’t teach boys to be competitive anymore,” Mr. Tomassi said. A common derogatory term in the manosphere is “soy boy.” “Everybody thinks there’s a soy link,” he said. According to Mr. Tomassi, many men are starting to look into testosterone replacement therapy (T.R.T.). “T.R.T. — it’s a big deal in the manosphere right now,” Mr. Tomassi said. “That’s the real health news: There’s this sudden revelation and guys are saying, ‘Oh man, my sperm count is hella low, how can I fix this?’ Then they realize their testosterone is lower than it should be.” Companies are popping up with at-home sperm tests, sperm health scores and sperm cryobanking services. Greg Sommer, a biodefense researcher at Sandia National Labs, was developing a small portable centrifuge for testing blood after a chemical attack when he realized it could have a consumer application. But he wasn’t sure what. “Early in the company, we were like, ‘What are we going to build?’” Mr. Sommer said. Well, what liquid would people want or need to swirl in a small centrifuge? “Semen! It was a game changer,” he said. “It’s a whole new approach to semen testing that we’ve invented.” Sandstone Diagnostics, the company he and his colleagues founded in Pleasanton, Calif., has raised $8 million in funding to bring these mini-sperm-spinning centrifuges into homes across America. The device costs $200, runs on AA batteries and includes four tests. A two test refill pack is $49.99. “The way it works is, you collect your sample, you put a few drops in, and it spins,” Mr. Sommer said. “We spin your semen sample at 7,500 r.p.m., and when it’s done it gives you a reading of your sperm count.” A competitor, the Yo Home Sperm Test, which was introduced in April 2017, bills itself as, essentially, a sperm microscope for smartphones. First, the guy collects his sample, then there is a 10 minute wait in the process. “We have a very nice sperm trivia challenge on the phone during that time,” said Marcia Deutsch, the C.E.O. of Medical Electronic Systems, which created Yo. “I wanted something to keep the guys occupied and not worrying.” Next, using the pipette from the Yo kit (“the sperm does not touch your phone”), the customer places a drop of the sample on a slide that slips into the “Yo Clip,” which is basically a mini-microscope. Then the clip slides onto the smartphone, which uses its camera and light to take a high-resolution video. Test results and the sperm video should show up in about two minutes. The company advertises 97 percent accuracy and has been cleared by the Food and Drug Administration. The Yo kit costs $59.95 and includes two tests, in case a low reading is just from a weekend binge. “Ours tests moving sperm,” said Ms. Deutsch, adding that some competitors “test just the number of sperm, and they could be dead.” “Guys are concerned about their fertility from the time they reach puberty,” she said. “Part of their basic biological role in life is to impregnate and they’re not sure that’s going to work, and there’s fear of testing to find out.” Gabriel del Rio, a 35-year-old publicist in Los Angeles, and his wife were having trouble getting pregnant, but it took a year of fertility doctors for them to consider that he could be the cause. Mr. del Rio took the Yo test and found he had low motility (which can mean not enough of the overall sperm are swimming, or are not swimming quickly enough, or are not swimming in the right manner), which he said felt like a commentary on his masculinity. “It was just really embarrassing,” he said. The solution turned out to be pretty simple (skip the Jacuzzi, buy loose underwear). Three weeks later, he took the test again and watched his now healthy sperm live-streamed onto his phone. “It went from like a graveyard to a rave,” he said. “It’s an interactive movie. You can zoom in, zoom out, you can focus in on one of the sperm and see how far it’s traveling.” Within two months, his wife was pregnant. “We’re seeing huge level of interest around male fertility,” said Claire Tomkins, the co-founder of Future Family, a fertility care start-up that sells a Sperm Activity Test for $599. “When we look at the difference between men and women on our website, men actually have longer sessions.” “Now that sperm counts are dropping, it’s important to be informed about your fertility profile so that you can plan ahead,” the website for Future Family reads. And for men who do have good sperm, some start-ups are suggesting it should be frozen when one is young and healthy. “Exactly zero men I know under 35 had talked about freezing their sperm before, but we are at the very beginning of a shift in conversation among men,” said Khaled Kteily, 29, the founder of the sperm cryobanking service Legacy, which started in January and is part of the Harvard Innovation Lab’s program for start-ups. It bills itself as “the Swiss private bank for your most valuable assets.” Sperm panic began in July 2017, with a headline-grabbing finding: Sperm counts in Western men had dropped 59 percent between 1973 and 2011. Researchers had analyzed 185 studies involving 42,935 men who had provided semen samples. A collaboration between researchers in the United States, Israel, Brazil, Denmark, and Spain, it opened a huge conversation about sperm and what might be happening to it. And then, in terms of research, not much happened. “The National Institutes of Health has been focused on males for so long, but reproduction was never considered a male problem,” said Shanna Swan, one of the study’s authors and a professor at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai’s department of environmental medicine and public health. Of the research community in general, she said, “They don’t want to know what they’re going to find.” “It’s an area that makes people uncomfortable. It’s about sex. It’s about men,” Dr. Swan said. “You can get a lot further if you have a nice finding on autism or obesity.” “There is a general feeling of ‘My God, there’s too many people in the world already, who cares?’” Dr. Swan said. “One of our answers to ‘who cares?’ is to point out men with low semen quality die earlier than other men. They have more cardiovascular disease, they have more diabetes, they have more cancer.” The study’s lead author, Dr. Hagai Levine, a former Israeli military epidemiologist now with Hebrew University-Hadassah School of Public Health, said sperm decline shows no sign of slowing down and stigma around male fertility could threaten the human species. “This is a symbol of our inability to look at the future of mankind, and for what?” Dr. Levine said. “We may be like the Titanic approaching an iceberg.” Dr. Levine said that it seems exposure to pesticides, obesity and smoking could contribute to low sperm count. He also suggested something more complex. “Social factors could definitely influence this,” he said. “We are animals. The social rank, the socioeconomic position, is important.” There are also a few studies that show there may be decreasing testosterone levels over the last 20 years, and this trend line may be related to sperm counts, Dr. Levine said. “Our culture affects our reproductive behavior,” he said. “After a World Cup game, the winning team testosterone levels go up and those who lose, testosterone levels go down.” He suggested I talk to Margaret Atwood, the author of “The Handmaid’s Tale,” a novel in which declining fecundity leads to authoritarianism and where sperm health is a taboo topic. “We tend to think when there are changes, they will be small changes, but from time to time there are shifts,” he said. “Margaret Atwood could imagine if such a shift happened.” (Ms. Atwood did not return a request for comment.) Clinicians are split on how grave the situation is. Sperm tests are notoriously fickle, with counts swinging widely depending on behaviors like an evening in a hot tub or a weekend of heavy drinking. Doctors and researchers who are skeptical of the findings argue that infertility would already be rising if sperm counts were really dropping so precipitously. “If you had a decrease in sperm count in the 50 to 60 percent range, we would expect the proportion of men with severe male infertility to be going up astronomically,” said Dr. Peter Schlegel, the chair of urology at Weill Cornell Medicine and NewYork-Presbyterian. “And we don’t see that.” Others say the study’s science was sound and that it should be sounding an alarm. “I do believe the meta-analysis,” said Dr. Michael Eisenberg, a urologist at Stanford Medical School who advises the at-home sperm test company Trak. “And we should be paying more attention.” We, apparently, are not. “There’s no funding. There’s none,” said Dr. Sarah Vij, who specializes in male infertility and andrology at the Cleveland Clinic. “When we try to develop a study, there just are not a lot of foundations out there looking to fund male fertility projects.” For men today, Dr. Levine advises something simple. “Take a sperm check,” he said. “Every 18-year-old at some point takes blood tests — why not your sperm?” he said. “If you have a problem, you change your life accordingly. If you don’t, maybe you freeze it.” One group of researchers — Janice L. Bailey, Jacquetta Trasler and Sarah Kimmins — is working on a study to look at environmental contaminants and sperm in Greenland and South Africa, as well as lifestyle factors like body mass index in Canada. “Oddly enough there’s a lot of women in the field,” Dr. Bailey said. “We sometimes call ourselves Gals for Guys.” Dr. Bailey began studying human sperm after working on farm animal reproduction and noticing that almost all interventions focused on the female animals. “Whenever there was a problem, they always blamed the female, and I said, ‘For crying out loud, we have to do something to the male,’” she said. To Dr. Turek, who is also an adviser to Future Family, people waking up to the importance of sperm as a measure of health is good news — it means men will finally start thinking about preventive care. Low sperm counts and low motility could be a sign of bigger current or future health problems, he said. “Men with low sperm counts don’t live as long,” Dr. Turek said. “Something wicked this way comes.” Business is growing. He has opened a new satellite office in San Jose and has started a series of Facebook Live talks. He blogs regularly (recent posts include “Are You Going Extinct?” and “Is Bigger Better When It Comes to Testicles?”). At his clinic, sports are on TV in the waiting room, and the walls are painted dark. The room Dr. Turek calls the “masturbatorium” has a lava lamp, framed Playboy magazines and a photo of a vintage Maserati (his own). Dr. Turek thinks the decline in sperm count and quality may be related to relatively inactive, physically noncompetitive modern life, but to him that is probably just fine since he said fecundity seems stable. “Our sperm look terrible compared to most animal species, land or marine. That’s real alpha stuff. Ours looks like crap,” he said. “If you’re married and you’re a captive audience, demand is low, and maybe don’t need it. Maybe that’s what the drop is adjusting for. Maybe it’s evolutionarily fine. Maybe the drop plateaus here.” “Over the last 100 years of industrialization, we’re living better, longer, and we’re certainly fatter,” Dr. Turek said. “We’re not cave men anymore. We’ve industrialized ourselves. We probably need less sperm.” Poster Comment:
Sperm counts have been dropping for decades. The men’s rights crowd blames soy, birth control, and feminism. But what if you just ditched the tight jeans?
The End of Men (Again)
Now Busy Men Can Measure, Grade and Freeze Their Sperm
But Where Is All the Sperm?
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
The New York Times...with ANOTHER hard-hitting story. This is absolutely beyond absurd. But graphic collegiate-type stories about "sperm" are what's expected from the homo-centric freaks who now control major MSM.
Good grief! This story has nothing to do with queers and the homo-centric agenda.
Are you kidding me?? This is tabloid crap. You aren't quite grasping that this is just one more component of an agenda-driven societal psyop to get them (us) used to subjects that need not be broadcast as though it's a national emergency. The gratuitous and casual mention of subjects like "sperm" under the guise of "news" in a alleged "serious" newspaper like the New York Times is merely one more attempt at CONDITIONING on the subject of SEX.
WTF? Are you insane? The article is about HETEROSEXUAL men who have low sperm counts and are looking for answers. How many homos are concerned with fathering a child? The only time the word "homo" appears is in your post. To Dr. Turek, who is also an adviser to Future Family, people waking up to the importance of sperm as a measure of health is good news — it means men will finally start thinking about preventive care. Low sperm counts and low motility could be a sign of bigger current or future health problems, he said. “Men with low sperm counts don’t live as long,” Dr. Turek said. “Something wicked this way comes.” Is everything a psy-op to you? An article about men's health? The gratuitous and casual mention of subjects like "sperm" under the guise of "news" in a alleged "serious" newspaper like the New York Times is merely one more attempt at CONDITIONING on the subject of SEX. It's a relevant MEDICAL story - why does seeing the word "sperm" offend you so much that you declare that the story is a psy-op waged on decent Americans? Only you can look at a scientific/medical article and declare that it's a homo psy-op. The study has become a foundational text for an online community that believes men are being emasculated by modern culture. In this manosphere — digital spaces created to discuss and sometimes profit from a counternarrative to feminism — commenters see this as scientific evidence that modern society is bad for men. Here's the real agenda being pointed out - the emasculation of men by modern PC culture and rabid feminazis, soy and GMO Frankenfoods. That's what you should be focusing on.
How many freezers full of sperm do you have Willie?
MEMO: The lunatics who run and work for New York Times do NOT give a rats azz about fertility rates of males. They are by and large pro-abortion, anti white-male, pro-population control (unless it's illegal invaders). THIS article was run for sh*ts & giggles. What I read was an exercise and license by the New York Times to totally and unnecessary be salacious, take advantage of the subject to excuse and embed hyperbolic dirty jokes and graphic descriptions of SPERM! SPERM! SPERM!!. All under the guise of "informing" and out of "concern". Did a teenager yearbook committee write this? Chyeah -- and THAT motive is supposed to be believable? REALLY?? It's a relevant MEDICAL story - why does seeing the word "sperm" offend you so much that you declare that the story is a psy-op waged on decent Americans? Yes, it IS a relevant AND legit MEDICAL story. In MOST OTHER periodicals. Given the NYT, its MO and it's minions (who are partisan homofascists and propagandists) there's a different agenda at work. And THAT again is about normalizing (as I've claimed) the language and trivializing uttering/writing/hearing/seeing the singular word, "Sperm". It's their little inside dirty joke. The giggles and snickers must have been deafening during the editing. Maybe you can relate to THIS: This was framed like 'Family Guy'. And YES, the New York Time IS a tool and master of the Psyop. Even when they seem to confer and inform about their supposed "concern" for male fertility.
Now THAT is rich. Here's the real agenda being pointed out - the emasculation of men by modern PC culture and rabid feminazis, soy and GMO Frankenfoods. Right. So you're telling me that The New York Times -- THE VERY SAME newspaper that SUPPORTS the emasculation of men by modern PC culture and rabid feminazis AND avoids exposing corporate food fascism and promotion of soy and GMO Frankenfoods -- is actually concerned about "Male Fertility"?? And THAT is why they published THIS story and used the word "SPERM" a gazillion time? Uh-huh.
Good grief - the article has nothing to do with pushing a homosexual agenda. And yes the word "sperm" was used - it's a MEDICAL story and yes, the NY Times does publish medical stories and they also print stories that have no agenda. It's their little inside dirty joke. The giggles and snickers must have been deafening during the editing. Maybe you can relate to THIS: This was framed like 'Family Guy'. You may not have noticed that there is no intent here to titillate the reader, just scientific hard facts. If you were "titillated" by a medical term that's your problem. Had they used slang terms like jizz, splooge, man-seed or love liquor, maybe you'd have a point.
Uh, not quite. There are several info-bytes and bizarre references clearly intended to provide insider giggles. "Titillation"? No doubt to younger readers. It's suggestive Water-Cooler fodder for the Times gaggle of cultist freaks and pervs. (Mr. Spacely): "DECKARD, COME INTO MY OFFICE. I WANTED TO SHARE THIS VERY IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE ON...SPERM." Office Lunch Room -- "LADIES, DID YOU HAPPEN TO CATCH THE TIMES ARTICLE ON LOW SPERM COUNTS?..." Do go on believing that the NYT and its editors had no ulterior motive. *eyeball roll*
Come on -- let's not get stupid. But...maybe you just don't see what's going on. I can't really ding you if you are oblivious. In that case, please accept my apology.
You're really quite mad, aren't you? When that happen BTW? You used to be a lot more rational until you became one of Trump's minions. It was a freaking medical story with no agenda.
I doubt that any younger readers are concerned about procreating and low sperm count in many men. But sure - whatever? Do go on believing that the NYT and its editors had no ulterior motive. In this case there was no sinister motive. (Mr. Spacely): "DECKARD, COME INTO MY OFFICE. I WANTED TO SHARE THIS VERY IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE ON...SPERM." Office Lunch Room -- "LADIES, DID YOU HAPPEN TO CATCH THE TIMES ARTICLE ON LOW SPERM COUNTS?..." I find nothing titillating in that - in fact if I were of the age where I wanted to have kids and the wife and I were having problems conceiving, I'd appreciate reading an article like this. I sincerely doubt any employer would broach the subject unless we were close as friends. I doubt the ladies in the lunch room would get wet over the article and in fact maybe one or two of them who are interested in having children would find the article useful You just can't get past that "everything the NY Times prints has an agenda, pro-homosexual psy-op" baloney. Guess what? The Times does print some useful articles, this being one of them. Man oh man - you'd probably even find something sinister in the comics or sports pages.
HULLO. ESPN? The Sports sections whether print, TV or social media have slanted politically Left for several years now. Yes, when the Left blend its politics into the Sports page it IS "Sinister". Same as when they blend their ideology and agenda into "Science", History, Paleontology, or Medicine. I doubt the ladies in the lunch room would get wet over the article and in fact maybe one or two of them who are interested in having children would find the article useful No, women "getting wet" is NOT close to the gist, nor anywhere near the reason I'd mentioned the scenario (or reason for the NYT publication of this particular "public service".) I realize I'm still going to sound condescending or prudish to you, but maybe you should at least consider that some of us here may possess more insight or have a perspective that allows them to connect dots with respect to certain subjects. That has always been the case, whether being ahead of the curve at FR, LP or here. For instance, the politics that many of us HERE "saw" back in 2006 wasn't "seen" at FR until 2016. You and I have both weighed in on the context and MO. We just fully disagree on the dynamics.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. We can agree to disagree here.
Yeah I realized that after I had posted it - I guess what I meant was the scores and statistics and actual recaps of games, not the political agenda that seems to be cropping up more and more and IMHO destroying the fiber of sports. Football - I no longer give a rip about it, same with NBA. Baseball so far has remained relatively benign politically - for instance you rarely hear about gay players and never hear anything about those who want to "take a knee" during the anthem. Baseball as far as I'm concerned is still "America's Pastime". So far,it hasn't become a leftist propaganda vehicle.
Baseball as far as I'm concerned is still "America's Pastime". So far,it hasn't become a leftist propaganda vehicle. For the record, we far more agree than disagree. With respect to baseball, yes, it far more than either NFL or NBA is relatively unscathed by politics. I wish you were right about MLB repelling SJW agendae. The trend is not encouraging: 25 Major League Baseball teams to host LGBT Pride nights in 2018 https://www.outsports.com/2018/5/3/17228268/mlb-lgbt-pride-nights-2018-list America's Pastime"? Dunno about that either anymore sadly. Might now be considered "The Dominican's Pastime". MLB is leaning more heavily into being an International Game. As a NY Yankees Fan long time announcer Michael Kay (on his radio show) blamed "partisan politics", i.e., Donald Trump for the tablod trashy New York Daily News firing half its employees. He apparently failed to note the business concept of alienating half an audience while trashing the President on a daily basis. Kay (again, a Sports radio talking head AND face/voice of the NY Yankees) also went on record supporting NY Gov. Cuomo's demand that the NY Daily News -- as well as ALL NY businesses -- need to NOTIFY THE STATE before pulling the plug. My point -- here a major Sports voice in the New York City area blending politics into Sports.
Sorry man - that's a deal breaker. Been nice knowing you. Might now be considered "The Dominican's Pastime". MLB is leaning more heavily into being an International Game. Yeah - that's true - the Major leagues are loaded with Dominican and other Latin American players. But hasn't that been pretty much the case for a while? I looked it up - the first Dominican players were Ozzie Virgil in 1956, Felipe Alou in 1958 and Juan Marichal in 1960. Major League Baseball Players Born in Dominican Republic The Dominican Republic has the most foreign-born players from what I have seen, Venezuela and Japan are also well represented. Granted - they were few and far between in the early days. Started picking up since the mid 80's, currently over 200 players active in MLB from the Dominican Republic. Now I have no issues with "foreigners" playing the game. It would be ideal if baseball required them to get American citizenship after a period of say 4 or 5 years. Jose Iglesias and Leonys Martin (both from Cuba) recently participated in a U.S. citizenship ceremony at Comerica Park - that was great to see. Also I would require that they learn to converse in English. Half the time when these guys are interviewed it seems - they can barely speak the language and even when they do it's difficult to understand what they are saying. Miguel Cabrera is one who comes to mind. All that being said - would I like to see more American kids (at my age they are ALL kids) in MLB? Sure - but unfortunately kids now seem to be more focused on other sports. And now that Cuba has been opened up - we will probably see a few more from there as well. As far as the pro gay promotions the ballparks have - I'd wager that those may very well backfire - it's possible they are losing more regular (straight) fans than they are gaining by catering to the homos.
Yankees...can't change your childhood team :-) Yes, it's frustrating having translators speak for the players. One after the next. Within the last 5-10 years the MLB demo is becoming overwhelmingly Latino/Carribean. It's like a tidal wave. I have mixed feelings about the demo of "America's Pastime". IF it is to remain so. To be honest, the influx of foreigners is dampening my interest. Isn't part of the loyalty toward one's "team" being able to relate to "your team"? If you can't, what exactly is one rooting for? The team logo? The uniform? In the old days many baseball teams purposely used "local" talent. Often I'll bring up the following example: WHAT IF...say the YOUR team OR the New York Yankees were comprised mostly of Mooslem players? Or hardcore BLMers. Could you still root for them? Maybe the US needs to do what is done in Japan in order to retain a national identity. For instance a quota system where X number of players MUST be native Americans. Thoughts? As far as the pro gay promotions the ballparks have - I'd wager that those may very well backfire - it's possible they are losing more regular (straight) fans than they are gaining by catering to the homos. It may well backfire. But for the owners, it's been full speed ahead in the NFL and NBA. It's the TV money (and behind the scene SJW $$$) that seem to make it all worth while for the pro owners. The number of actual fannies in the seats? Not so much.
Maybe the US needs to do what is done in Japan in order to retain a national identity. For instance a quota system where X number of players MUST be native Americans. You just knew someone had to be keeping of track of silly stuff like this: http://www.tidesport.org/mlb-rgrc.html I'm curious if they even realize why the decline in black players in MLB has occurred. I'll give them a hint the money is easier to get in football and basketball you don't have to be that good to get paid.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
And the WNBA.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
That concerns me as well - back in the day, a lot of players stayed with the same team for an entire career. Nowdays - not so much. Player arbitration - I don't think it was meant to turn out the way it has, but as long as owners are willing to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to players you won't see much in the way of team loyalty. If you can't, what exactly is one rooting for? The team logo? The uniform? Sad but true in many cases - I guess for me it goes back to my younger years, being a Tigers fan from the sixties. A lot of it is nostalgia I guess. Actually some of the best ball games I've attended have been minor league games - those guys are hungry and playing their best to win a ticket to The Show - as a result you see more teamwork and not so much egotism and you'll see all of the guys busting their butts down the first base line trying to beat out a grounder. In the old days many baseball teams purposely used "local" talent. I think you'd have to go way back, maybe even to the 20's or 30's. Maybe the US needs to do what is done in Japan in order to retain a national identity. For instance a quota system where X number of players MUST be native Americans. Wasn't aware of that but that's an interesting point. The problem is when you don't have enough good home grown players - would you prefer to see a team of good Americans playing or a team with a mixture of foreign and native players that are better players? Off topic, but I'm not a big fan of the DH. Sure it puts butts in the seats - fans want to see more offense. But the strategy is so much more nuanced in the NL where the pitchers have to bat.
When I first seen the title of the OP I figured it had to be a Gatlin thread.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
I think it's because baseball fields are few and far between in da 'hood. You can put up a basketball hoop anywhere. I'm curious if they even realize why the decline in black players in MLB has occurred. I'll give them a hint the money is easier to get in football and basketball you don't have to be that good to get paid. I don't know if those sports are any "easier". Baseball position players (other than the pitcher and catcher) are basically standing around waiting for something to happen. Football games are only played once a week that may have something to do with it. As far as the pay - I'd guess MLB has a higher percentage of multi-millionaire players than both the NFL and NBA.
Actually it was ChooChoo Willie who posted it. Liberator and I have had some minor disagreements here.
What do you consider to be harder, shooting hoops catching a football or hitting a 2 seam tailing 95MPH fastball??
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
#2. To: Liberator, Willie Green (#1)
But graphic collegiate-type stories about "sperm" are what's expected from the homo-centric freaks who now control major MSM.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#3. To: Deckard (#2)
This story has nothing to do with queers and the homo-centric agenda.
#4. To: Liberator (#3)
(Edited)
You aren't quite grasping that this is just one more component of an agenda-driven societal psyop
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#5. To: Willie Green (#0)
Freeze Their Sperm
#6. To: Deckard (#4)
WTF? Are you insane? The article is about HETEROSEXUAL men who have low sperm counts and are looking for answers.
#7. To: Deckard (#4)
Is everything a psy-op to you?
#8. To: Liberator (#6)
Given the NYT, its MO and it's minions (who are partisan homofascists and propagandists) there's a different agenda at work. And THAT again is about normalizing (as I've claimed) the language and trivializing uttering/writing/hearing/seeing the singular word, "Sperm".
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#9. To: Deckard (#8)
You may not have noticed that there is no intent here to titillate the reader, just scientific hard facts.
#10. To: Deckard (#8)
Had they used slang terms like jizz, splooge, man-seed or love liquor, maybe you'd have a point.
#11. To: Liberator (#10)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#12. To: Liberator (#9)
(Edited)
"Titillation"? No doubt to younger readers.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#13. To: Deckard (#12)
Man oh man - you'd probably even find something sinister in the comics or saorts pages.
#14. To: Liberator (#13)
I'd mentioned the scenario (or reason for the NYT publication of this particular "public service".)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#15. To: Liberator (#13)
(Edited)
The Sports sections whether print, TV or social media have slanted politically Left for several years now.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#16. To: Deckard, redleghunter, CZ82 (#15)
Baseball so far has remained relatively benign politically - for instance you rarely hear about gay players and never hear anything about those who want to "take a knee" during the anthem.
#17. To: Liberator (#16)
As a NY Yankees Fan
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#18. To: Deckard, redleghunter, CZ82 (#17)
#19. To: Liberator, Deckard (#16)
(Edited)
With respect to baseball, yes, it far more than either NFL or NBA is relatively unscathed by politics. I wish you were right about MLB repelling SJW agendae. The trend is not encouraging:
#20. To: Liberator (#18)
But for the owners, it's been full speed ahead in the NFL and NBA.
#21. To: Liberator (#18)
Isn't part of the loyalty toward one's "team" being able to relate to "your team"? If you can't, what exactly is one rooting for?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#22. To: Liberator (#1)
This is absolutely beyond absurd. But graphic collegiate-type stories about "sperm" are what's expected from the homo-centric freaks who now control major MSM.
#23. To: CZ82 (#19)
I'm curious if they even realize why the decline in black players in MLB has occurred.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#24. To: CZ82, Liberator (#22)
(Edited)
When I first seen the title of the OP I figured it had to be a Gatlin thread.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#25. To: Deckard (#23)
I don't know if those sports are any "easier". Baseball position players (other than the pitcher and catcher) are basically standing around waiting for something to happen.
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