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Title: Libertarians on Liberty’s Post suppress dissent – Sad.
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Published: Jul 15, 2018
Author: Gatlin
Post Date: 2018-07-15 06:51:33 by Gatlin
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Views: 21200
Comments: 132

Libertarians on Liberty’s Post now find it perfectly acceptable to pursue the tyrannical practice of blacklisting anyone whose words offend their delicate sensibilities.

Unfortunately these narrow-minded individuals do not realize that the best remedy to validate their political ideology is to catechize remarks that disparage it by subjecting them to the crucible of open debate and rational inspection. Libertarians continually fail to show tolerance and adhere to cherished “libertarian” values while abdicating all confidence that their ideas will handily defeat opposition to their philosophy.

Libertarians propose the impossible and internally contradictory notion that they can support their cause with the angry suppression of free speech from anyone who speaks against them. They feel the remedy for comments and ideas they oppose is not the free and open debates of civil society, but a need to resort to Orwellian speech codes of an authoritarian dictatorship. Here, again, libertarians reveal their philosophy is a radical departure from a normal society and their unique iteration of fascism shares many of its historical and ideological roots.

Freedom of speech is arguably a most cherished value and the bedrock of a genuinely free society. The entire process of education and the freedom to challenge ideas is, and must be, predicated on unbridled freedom of speech and expression. Without this most cherished freedom, supporting and challenging ideas cannot be examined and assessed for their value and we will therefore live in a benighted world in which ideas are lost forever….flushed down the memory hole as too dangerous or offensive to the dainty sensibilities of libertarians who find these words offend them.

The validity of libertarian notions has been questioned and a morally consistent application of libertarian premises has been challenged in order to show why libertarians are mistaken about what their ideal requires. Libertarians generally defend the ideal of freedom from the perspective of how little one is constrained. Yet pragmatic criticisms of libertarianism now go unanswered because libertarians have moved to silence free speech. Sad, but so understandably predictable based on their rhetoric and actions.

Most of us aren’t defeated in one decisive battle. We are defeated in one tiny, seemingly insignificant surrender at a time that chips away at who we really should be.
Pathetic …

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

What a whiny bitch you are.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-15   10:33:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#1)

What a whiny bitch you are.

It's really quite pathetic.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-15   10:45:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#4)

He doesn't like our liberty to ignore his statist rants. Maybe that is at the root of his general hatred of liberty.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-15   10:48:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#5)

" Libertarians on Liberty’s Post suppress dissent – Sad. "

Uh guys. Is someone delusional, hallucinating, or have they been consuming copious amounts of illegal substances ???

Last I heard, Liberty's Post is closed, and has been for some time now. Maybe whoever posted that title is a closet druggy, or has really serious mental issues !

Be best for that person to not try to operate a motor vehicle, or handle sharp objects ! Stay in his wheelchair !

His cheer leaders should reconsider their following him. He appears to have lost all grasp of reality !!

Stoner  posted on  2018-07-16   11:22:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Stoner, Tooconservative, Deckard, Liberator (#22) (Edited)

Gatlin:

Libertarians on Liberty’s Post suppress dissent – Sad. "

Stoner:

Uh guys. Is someone delusional, hallucinating, or have they been consuming copious amounts of illegal substances ???

Last I heard, Liberty's Post is closed, and has been for some time now. Maybe whoever posted that title is a closet druggy, or has really serious mental issues ! [Underline Added].

Paraphrasing –

Uh, Stoner. Are you “delusional, hallucinating, or have they been consuming copious amounts of illegal substances” ???

Last I remember, there is no “Liberty’s Post” and there never was a “Liberty’s Post.” However, there was a “Liberty Post”.

Maybe whoever posted “Last I heard, Liberty’s Post is closed, and has been for some time now is a closet druggy, or has really serious mental issues.”

Stoner, since you wrote “Liberty’s Post” is closed, then common sense must dictate that you meant to write “Liberty Post” is closed....instead of writing “Liberty’s Post” is closed.

A typographical error (often shortened to typo), a mistake made in the typing process (such as spelling, misuse of tense, leaving out a word or using a wrong word) is not an uncommon mistake, and I can understand how it happened to you.

I can’t write “Liberty’s Flame” and neither can you write “Liberty Post”.

Touché ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-17   1:34:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Gatlin, all (#41)

" Stoner, since you wrote “Liberty’s Post” is closed, then common sense must dictate that you meant to write “Liberty Post” is closed....instead of writing “Liberty’s Post” is closed. "

Hey dumbass. I did not "write" anything !! I simply copied and pasted what YOU wrote, in the title of your article.

You are truly one DUMB MO FO !!!

You only good here for being a boil on this forums ass. You are like a monkey flinging poo / gatlin at everyone here.

I have wasted too much time on a asshole such as you !! I am done! GO AWAY !!

Stoner  posted on  2018-07-17   7:47:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Stoner (#44)

You are truly one DUMB MO FO !!!

He'll never admit he made a mistake.

He's here to troll and disrupt - nothing more.

You only good here for being a boil on this forums ass.

I think he enjoys being an asshole, just like GrandIsland.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-17   8:21:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Deckard (#45) (Edited)

" He's here to troll and disrupt - nothing more. "

He certainly does that well !!

This used to be a enjoyable board, until he came back. He is like some monkey coming into your house, and he poos in the floor, throws it around the room, smears it on the walls, breaks dishes, turns over furniture, etc.

It is amazing to me why someone would expend that much time and effort to do that. To what benefit ?

Must have a real shitty life. Definitely a small mind. Probably has no family, and no friends. A real shame. As much of a nuisance as he is, I pity him !

Stoner  posted on  2018-07-17   9:18:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Stoner (#47)

Where are the PHOTOS of “McCain with members of the Muslim Brotherhood?”

Admit, you can’t show any….ADMIT IT.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-17   9:58:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Gatlin (#53)

Here dumb ass. If you want more, the web is full of them

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F18coot.jpg&f=1

Stoner  posted on  2018-07-17   10:08:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Stoner, Deckard, CZ82 (#54)

Here dumb ass. If you want more, the web is full of them

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/? u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F18coot.jpg&f=1

No, it is you who is the dumb ass. The link you posted is to this picture.

There is NOT a SINGLE member of the “Muslim Broherhood” in THAT photo.

You say the “web” is full of photos of “McCain with members of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

I say you are a damned liar and no such photos exits of “McCain with members of the Muslim Broherhood”…now TRY to prove me wrong.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-17   10:23:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Gatlin (#55)

There is NOT a SINGLE member of the “Muslim Broherhood” in THAT photo.

You sure about that?

Don't you recognize Mouaz Moustafa (on the far right in your pic) who is the head of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF)? HINT: Which BTW is part of the Muslim Brotherhood.

CZ82  posted on  2018-07-17   19:44:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: CZ82 (#88)

There is NOT a SINGLE member of the “Muslim Broherhood” in THAT photo.

You sure about that?

Yes. I still stongly believe that. I have seen no evidence to prove otherwise.
Don't you recognize Mouaz Moustafa (on the far right in your pic) …
Of course I do. I have seen other pictures of him.
… who is the head of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF)?

Yes, he is.

Actually, Mouaz Moustafa is SETF’s executive-director and he is a former field organizer for the U.S. Democratic National Committee and previously served as executive-director of the Libyan Council of North America.

HINT: Which BTW is part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
I don’t know where you are getting that information.

Can you please provide the URL source?

Here is the information I have:

The Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF) is a United States-based organization that advocates for the armed overthrow of the government of Syria. It first gained widespread public attention in the wake of the Elizabeth O'Bagy resume padding scandal; O'Bagy had served as a paid lobbyist for the group. The group's primary activity is advocating for U.S. military involvement in the Syrian Civil War through congressional office visits, media awareness campaigns, and organizing junkets for key U.S. foreign policy decisionmakers.[1] According to SETF, it is also committed to supporting the overthrow of the government of Cuba;[2] a statement co-signed by it and the Florida-based Cuban exile organization "Assembly of the Resistance" declared it would work for "the overthrow of the dictatorial regimes of Assad and Castro."[3]

SETF is indirectly funded by the U.S. State Department through contracting firms including Chemonics and Creative Associates International.[4]

SETF officials - including Moustafa and Chesley - have been widely cited in media reports on the Syrian Civil War and have been influential in advising United States policymakers on issues related to Syria. According to the group, SETF staff have held meetings with more than two-thirds of the membership of the U.S. Congress and have organized junkets for members of congress to visit selected regions in northern Syria.[2]

In 2013, an op-ed by political director Elizabeth O'Bagy was cited by Senator John McCain and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry during congressional hearings on possible U.S. military involvement in the Syrian Civil War.[11] O'Bagy was subsequently hired by McCain as a legislative assistant in the Arizona senator's Washington, D.C. office.

Nowhere….NOWHERE…can I find any information to show that SETF “is part of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

It is your “allegation” and it is your charge to “prove” it.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-17   22:31:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Gatlin (#93)

It is your “allegation” and it is your charge to “prove” it.

My allegation? All I said was he's a Brotherhood member that's how he got started and he runs the SETF. Which would make that organization basically part of them since a member is running it and so are most of the folks on the SETFs Board of Trustees (yes they have one surprisingly enough). Maybe you should do a little research on that Board of Trustees it should be quite enlightening as to who's in bed with who.

So it doesn't sound like you're trying very hard to find his early history or that of the SETF, bta I would imagine some people would like that to remain hidden from public view, like maybe how some in the Republican party have been working with them just as much as the Dims have.

Maybe you should look into GWBs history/ties with the oil business, I'd think you'd find ties to the Muslim Brotherhood in Talat Othman and some with George Soros.

CZ82  posted on  2018-07-21   8:47:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: CZ82 (#105)

My allegation?
Yep, that’s right.
All I said was he's a Brotherhood member that's how he got started …
It was an ALLEGATION and you were lying when you made it. He’s NOT a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
… and he runs the SETF.
He is the Executive Director or the SETF.
Which would make that organization basically part of them since a member is running it …
Basically? Nope! The SETF is either a part of the Muslim Brotherhood or it is not. There is no “basically” shit.
…. and so are most of the folks on the SETFs Board of Trustees (yes they have one surprisingly enough).
Another ALLEGATION. Name them and PROVE your ALLEGATION.
Maybe you should do a little research on that Board of Trustees …
I did the research. I found that only a few members of the board member have either sympathy for or some type of association with the Muslim Brotherhood. But NONE of the Board of Trustees are MEMBERS of the Muslim Brotherhood.
… it should be quite enlightening as to who's in bed with who.
It was enlightening to me to find out that you are obviously in bed with hondo and Deckard….since they are also proven liars on LF.
So it doesn't sound like you're trying very hard to find his early history or that of the SETF …
I didn’t have to try hard at all…everything was actually very EASY to find.
I would imagine some people would like that to remain hidden from public view…
Imagine? Imagining proves NOTHING.
… like maybe how some in the Republican party have been working with them just as much as the Dims have.
Working with? You haven’t been checking very hard. If you had, you would have found the Executive Director of SETF was once EMPLOYED by a member of Congress. But he still was NEVER a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Maybe you should look into GWBs history/ties with the oil business, I'd think you'd find ties to the Muslim Brotherhood in Talat Othman and some with George Soros.
Maybe you should stop trying with the DEFLECTION shit to cover up your stupidity.

Look, asshole. I caught you in lying. Mouaz Moustafa is not and never was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Furthermore...you still have been unable to provide any photos of McCain with member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Looks like we are finished here unless you can come up with some positive evidence and stop with the “allegations” and “basically” shit.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-21   9:33:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#111. To: Gatlin. CZ82, hondo68 (#109)

Mouaz Moustafa is not and never was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

All evidence to the contrary.

Speaker Paul Ryan Embraces Top Muslim Brotherhood Lobbyist

Ryan and Mouaz Moustafa are on the same page when it comes to Syria

...the Muslim Brotherhood has an extremely powerful lobbying arm in the U.S. Perhaps the most prominent face of that arm is a man named Mouaz Moustafa, head of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF).

Here is a photo of Moustafa with Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI):

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Speaker Ryan (L) and Muslim Brotherhood operative Mouaz Moustafa (R)

Prior to leading the SETF, Moustafa led the Libyan Emergency Task Force (LETF), which had removing Gadhafi as its primary goal. Prior to that Moustafa worked for the Muslim Brotherhood opposition in Egypt.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-21 11:20:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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