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Title: Haiti between anarchy, normalcy after deadly fuel-price violence
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URL Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/renewed- ... id-calls-strike-180543172.html
Published: Jul 9, 2018
Author: Amelie BARON
Post Date: 2018-07-09 12:40:25 by Justified
Keywords: None
Views: 1977
Comments: 19

Port-au-Prince (AFP) - Scenes of anarchy alternated with tentative signs of a return to normal life in Haiti's capital, with calls for a general strike Monday after two days of deadly looting and arson triggered by a quickly-aborted government attempt to raise fuel prices.

With the death toll rising to four, protesters in the impoverished Caribbean country called for a two-day general strike, despite the government's climbdown over the price increases.

Many Haitians are now demanding the immediate departure of President Jovenel Moise.

"If the president stays one more day, the game will take on a new appearance: we will cut off the roads and burn everything, because we have nothing else to lose," said one masked protestor.

Groups of young men trying to extort money from motorists as well as pedestrians controlled various intersections and roads in Port-au-Prince on Sunday.

Local radio reported that groups of armed people in civilian clothes had been seen in some downtown districts.

In the heart of the capital, AFP journalists saw shops ransacked as protestors demanded Moise's exit.

Some aggressive young men carried knives, and special police crowd control units fired their guns into the air and detonated tear gas.

Alongside these chaotic and violent scenes, a partial return to normal life occurred in parts of the capital.

After mass, many fruit and vegetable merchants had taken up their places again on the sidewalks, and motorcycle taxis were back at their usual intersections -- even if customers were scarce.

Automobile traffic timidly returned to several roads where police had removed barricades.

Some flights returned, too, with three aircraft landing from the United States after all airlines cancelled service on Saturday.

But uncertainty remained, and the embassies of France and Canada said they would remain closed on Monday.

Moise had urged demonstrators late Saturday to "go home," saying the price hike suspension had "corrected what had to be corrected."

His televised speech disappointed much of the population and the political class: "We were expecting another speech, a serene analysis of the situation that has prevailed in the country in the last two days and caused so much loss of life and materials," lawmaker Jerry Tardieu told AFP.

The unrest followed a government announcement on Friday that gasoline prices would rise by 38 percent, diesel by 47 percent and kerosene by 51 percent starting this weekend.

- 'Carried away' -

In suspending the price hikes, Prime Minister Jack Guy Lafontant on Saturday emphasized that "violence and democracy are fundamentally incompatible."

Even before the fuel price controversy, deputies had already begun a debate on his future, and Saturday's U-turn could lead to the government's fall.

On Friday night, the bodyguard of an opposition-party politician died in an altercation with demonstrators in central Port-au-Prince as he attempted to get through a roadblock. His body was then burned in the road.

On Saturday afternoon, an AFP journalist saw a young man who had been shot dead. Two other people have also lost their lives.

Parliamentary discussions are underway to determine the next steps aimed at calming the crisis, with some elected officials urging the immediate resignation of the prime minister.

On Sunday one Haitian, Alphonse Charles, expressed both the frustrations and the sense of fatalism felt by many of his countrymen.

Standing next to the remains of his torched car near burned and looted shops, he blamed politicians but lamented that people had gotten "carried away."

"It's the reality of the country: when we live in Haiti we are angry, frustrated with the way things are managed by politicians."

But "I have to go on living," he added. "We will not get carried away just for that."

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The unrest followed a government announcement on Friday that gasoline prices would rise by 38 percent, diesel by 47 percent and kerosene by 51 percent starting this weekend.

Normally I would say look at this shit hole people but they are right to be upset but what do you expect from a corrupt demoncracy?

That is what socialism does to you. Takes away your hope and the only way to keep peace is through deadly force. Sad fact is people will demand deadly force even thou the people that caused the issue will be the one ask to use deadly force to solve the anarchy.

Justified  posted on  2018-07-09   12:45:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Justified (#1) (Edited)

That is what socialism does to you.

Haiti is what dictatorship does.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-09   13:14:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

Haiti is what dictatorship does.

That's Socialism under corrupt leader. That's the problem with socialism. There are no real checks and balances. Democratic system begets you mob rule. That's why capitalism with constitutional Republic is better. Citizens actually have rights whereas demonocracy you can have your rights easily voted away by the mob.

Justified  posted on  2018-07-09   13:23:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Justified (#3) (Edited)

That's Socialism under corrupt leader. That's the problem with socialism. There are no real checks and balances. Democratic system begets you mob rule. That's why capitalism with constitutional Republic is better. Citizens actually have rights whereas demonocracy you can have your rights easily voted away by the mob.

People don't necessarily have any rights under a capitalist, constitutional republic at all. Did all of the people have rights under the American constitutional republic prior to 1865? They didn't have equal rights under our system until I was ten years old.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-09   13:28:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

People don't necessarily have any rights under a capitalist, constitutional republic at all. Did all of the people have rights under the American constitutional republic prior to 1865? They didn't have equal rights under our system until I was ten years old.

Yes there were some issues in the beginning. It was resolved(Live is always evolving). They had to twist the constitution to disallow Slaves rights. It was argued at the time the hypocrisy of the constitution but there would have been no US otherwise and Slaves would have still be slaves under the British rule.

This is the one thing everyone brings up and we still made it work in the end. That's something socialism has never been able to do. Socialism gets tighter and tighter reign until it chokes out the people and turns into Communism/Fascism/Marxism.

US Capitalism with Constitutional Republic has worked and been the greatest force for freedom the world has ever seen and its not even close. If you were to weigh socialism of any form against US system US wins hands down. People like to take bits and pieces of socialist countries and claim how great it is even though its not correct. Sweden Almost bankrupted itself and had to bring back capitalist ways to prop up their brand of socialism. Sweden was the greatest country at one time before socialism nearly broke it. Never forgetting US basically pays for most of EU's military defense.

Justified  posted on  2018-07-09   14:20:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Justified (#5)

Slaves would have still be slaves under the British rule.

This is the one thing everyone brings up and we still made it work in the end.

For a generation less. The British Empire outlawed slavery in 1833, peacefully. The Americans didn't do it until 1865, and killed almost a million people to get there.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-09   15:51:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

You are seeing this from the back seat of time.

If there wasn't an American revolution who says British would have end slavery when they did if ever? British probably realized that slavery was going to become an issue when there were more slaves than they could control. In fact Slaves were rebelling all over the colony's after US won independence from England. All the colonial powers were realizing that the cost of keeping the slaves slaves was not worth it and let them go.

Slavery is a nasty unholy business that had been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Either we are going to have to get over slavery of the past or die as a country.

Justified  posted on  2018-07-09   20:31:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Justified (#7)

You are seeing this from the back seat of time.

If there wasn't an American revolution who says British would have end slavery when they did if ever? British probably realized that slavery was going to become an issue when there were more slaves than they could control. In fact Slaves were rebelling all over the colony's after US won independence from England. All the colonial powers were realizing that the cost of keeping the slaves slaves was not worth it and let them go.

Slavery is a nasty unholy business that had been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Either we are going to have to get over slavery of the past or die as a country.

The British did not wise up because of the American experience, they were led to the change politically by Christianity, specifically the Quakers, agitation within Britain.

To "get over" slavery, and segregation, and the ghettoization of our days that resulted from the latter, we need to continue to invest in public education and in bringing up that urban population that resulted from our past policies.

There isn't a point where one can simply ignore the overhanging economic effects of utter privation and pretend that they are not the legacy of segregation. Rather, you have to keep working at it until those overhanging economic effects until they are no longer there. Then the memory of slavery and segregation will fade. Until then, it's just the desire to not have to keep spending capital repairing a very deep wound that still economically cripples a portion of the population.

You don't just end segregation and anti-miscegenation laws and expect that now everything will be tickety-boo. The overhang of poverty FROM slavery and segregation leaves a whole population with no capital. You have to develop their human capital through education. They have to have job opportunities to build up the financial capital. It takes a couple of generations of sustained effort and expense to get the job done. We are well on our way, but we're not done yet. The urban schools still suck; there is still segregation of educational opportunity based on economic status, and segregation of economic status based on race.

The hard forms of repair are direct redistribution, but they don't work so well. The soft form of repair is through robust education, but that takes a few generations and costs a lot of money. We proceed.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-10   10:38:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

The British did not wise up because of the American experience, they were led to the change politically by Christianity, specifically the Quakers, agitation within Britain.

I have to disagree. Rich men always decide on financial reasons. When it no longer was viable business model they decided to pull the plug and only then.

I wish people and groups made decisions with Godly views but they really don't and when it comes to money it is really greed that makes the decision.

When you go back in time and look you find slave rebellions taking hold all over the world just after the American revolution. It was the catalyst for freedom when a bunch of poor farm boys took on the greatest force in the world at that time and won.

Justified  posted on  2018-07-10   12:46:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Justified (#11)

It was the catalyst for freedom when a bunch of poor farm boys took on the greatest force in the world at that time and won.

Yes. When those American farmboys along with the French Navy and French Army, and the Spanish Navy and Army down in Florida and the Caribbean, and the Dutch traders with their money and supplies, all took on the greatest force in the world at the time, we all did indeed win.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-10   13:58:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#14. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

Yes. When those American farmboys along with the French Navy and French Army, and the Spanish Navy and Army down in Florida and the Caribbean, and the Dutch traders with their money and supplies, all took on the greatest force in the world at the time, we all did indeed win.

Yes. They all wanted the same thing for different reasons. If memory services me I think we had to pay for many of them to help us so England would not send all its forces to stop the rebellion. It would have been a massacre.

Justified  posted on  2018-07-11 08:26:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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