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politics and politicians Title: Court upholds convictions of 2012 Ron Paul campaign staffers Campaign chairman Jesse Benton, campaign manager John Tate and deputy campaign manager Dimitri Kesari were convicted in 2016 of causing false records to be filed, causing false campaign expenditure reports, engaging in a false statements scheme and conspiring to commit the offenses. Kesari was sentenced to three months in prison while the other two got probation. They have completed their sentences but are seeking to clear the felony convictions from their records. The three argued that they broke no laws when they paid a video production company, which passed on $73,000 to then-Iowa state Sen. Kent Sorenson, who withdrew his support from Michele Bachmann and backed Paul six days before the 2012 Iowa caucuses. Sorenson also was convicted in the scheme and sentenced to 15 months in prison. He was released in April. Benton, Tate and Kesari contend that campaigns pay vendors who pass money on to subcontractors all the time and there's nothing illegal about it. Prosecutors said it was illegal to cause the campaign to file inaccurate documents to try to hide that Sorensen was paid for a campaign endorsement. A three-member panel of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis on Friday upheld the rulings and conclusions of Judge John Jarvey, finding no reversible errors and that there is ample evidence to uphold their convictions. The men argued that Jarvey erred in denying their motions to dismiss the charges and for a new trial. They also challenged the judge's rulings on jury instructions and certain evidence. Among the things they challenged was whether prosecutors could apply a federal financial fraud false reporting statute to campaign expenditure reports and whether that violation falls under the jurisdiction of the Federal Election Commission. The appeals court concluded that "the production of false financial records by a political campaign falls within that framework." The judges also concluded that the FEC does have jurisdiction over campaign expenditures and the authority to establish penalties for false reporting. "I think there's a danger this opinion criminalizes some very normal activity on political campaigns," said Kesari's attorney, Jesse Ryan Binnall. "And now people on campaigns have a very real concern that if for whatever reason somebody in the Department of Justice doesn't like them, that they could pursue criminal charges against them." Binnall said Kesari is considering whether to appeal Friday's ruling. "We continue to believe that Mr. Kesari did nothing illegal," he said. Attorneys for Benton and Tate didn't immediately reply to messages seeking comment. Sorenson, 46, was convicted of willfully causing false expenditure reports to the FEC and falsifying records in contemplation of or relation to a federal investigation intending to obstruct justice. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest convicted of willfully causing false expenditure reports And remember -- NO SLEEPING IN BEDS uhh {edit} WIF SHEETS!
#2. To: VxH (#1) Please don't feed the troll.
#3. To: Tooconservative, VxH, Everyone (#2) It is however seemingly odd that a libertarian who allegedly believes so dearly in the Constitution which of course has some amendments, known as the Bill of Rights that includes the right to free speech….wishes to suppress an individual’s Freedom of Speech. It is extremely sad that I must remind you, of all people, that Freedom of speech is an underlying principle that supports the freedom of an individual to articulate his opinions and ideas without intimidation, retaliation, censorship, sanction or interference. You really need to please cease trying to control what people have the freedom to say and respond to….it is SO un-libertarian of you. Don’t you agree?
#4. To: Gatlin (#0)
They both stink.
#5. To: Gatlin, Tooconservative (#3) (Edited) Please don't feed the troll. You are perfectly within your rights to post your trash here - we as readers also have the right to ignore said trash and mock your goofiness. You really need to please cease trying to control what people have the freedom to say and respond to….it is SO un-libertarian of you. No one is trying to control you freedom-hater, stop your incessant whining. Don’t you agree? Yes - we agree that you are a troll. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.#6. To: Deckard, Tooconservative, Everyone (#5) (Edited) But you do need to keep up and understand what is under discussion at this time. I am not being ignored or mocked…..there is a blatant effort to suppress the speech of those who wish to freely respond to my posts. I have shown this to be factual and you should understand that since you normally dwell on every word I post. You libertarians are so imbecilic.
#7. To: Tooconservative, Deckard, Everyone (#6) It really Is un-libertarian of you to stalk my posts and try to persuade those responding to them to cease making comments. You do have that freedom and I am in no way trying to suppress it. I am merely calling to the attention of everyone another shining example of how the libertarian dogma operates.
#8. To: Gatlin (#0) But after hundreds of millions in laundered funds, the shitball Clinton Crime Family is still walking around free, right?
#9. To: Gatlin (#6) (Edited) ... my [Gatlin] intelligent and thought provoking posts. Where in the world did you find that idea?
#10. To: Deckard (#5)
#11. To: buckeroo (#9) Where in the world did you find that idea? Tater peeling is the single foremost thought always in your mind. You have made that abundantly clear, lamebrain. Check your posts to see that’s true.
#12. To: Gatlin (#10) (Edited) So sayeth someone who posts, 3, 4, 5 and even more cop-hating articles and with mnultiple comments each day. lol ... Just asking a legitimate question,but since you obviously go to those "we luvs cops" web sites or you wouldn't know,doesn't that,by YOUR definition make YOU a "cop loving troll"? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #13. To: Gatlin (#11) buckeroo: Where in the world did you find that idea? You didn't answer the question, tater. You deflected your answer to all kinds of BULLSHIT that only yukon would applaud. I believe in a creator, you dumb fuck. Your answer suggests that because I don't believe in the "personal church of Gatlin" that I am somehow disconnected from the Universe.
#14. To: buckeroo (#13) Stop wating my valuable time....I have more important things to do than deal with an idiot.
#15. To: sneakypete (#12) Maybe later ...
#16. To: Gatlin (#14) (Edited) Fuck off. I added "Gatlin" to the content filter.
#17. To: Gatlin, taters are people too, tater lives matter (#11) Tater peeling is the single foremost thought always It shows, in your every post.
#18. To: buckeroo (#13)
#19. To: buckeroo (#16)
#20. To: hondo68 (#17) The guy is obviously self obsessed. He is popularly known as a "narcissist." And his comments don't mean a fucking thing to anyone on the planet but himself.
#21. To: buckeroo in self-imposed exile and all other libertarians (#20) They mean “nothing” to you libertarians because not one of you can ever dispute the factual information in those articles. All any of you can do is post stupid memes, make smart-assed comments about peeling potatoes and launch a barrage of personal attacks. Open question – If libertarianism is so damned wonderfully great, the why in the Hell can’t any of you DEFEND against attacks made on it?
#22. To: Gatlin, Bozoed the World (#21)
#23. To: buckeroo (#16) Fuck off. I added "Gatlin" to the content filter. And miss all the verbal defecation, that's not like you. Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians! #24. To: hondo68, Everyone (#22) If flippant memes meant anything, then maybe they could win a victory for libertarians and they would have been in power long ago. But flippant memes don’t mean shit and any lofty hopes libertarians had in 2016 went out with a whimper, as they garnered less than 4% of th popular vote total and not ONE electoral college vote in one of the most shocking outcomes in recent political history….which saw Donald Trump elected President in stunning repudiation of the establishment. “Boss Gatlin”….NO, it’s “Hail TO The Chief” Donald Trump.
#25. To: Gatlin, lying tater, libertarian Ron Paul ONE electoral vote 2016 (#24) (Edited) hopes libertarians had in 2016 went out with a whimper, as they garnered less than 4% of th popular vote total and not ONE electoral college vote in one of the most shocking outcomes in recent political history…. Another lie from lying Gatlin. Ron Paul the libertarian godfather, got ONE electoral vote in 2016, uno, 1, NOT zero! Why Bill Greene Voted for Ron Paul in the Electoral CollegeStop the lies you libtard flake, Gatlin! Speaking of flakes, how many times did you vote for Jeff Flake?
#26. To: hondo68 (#25)
#27. To: hondo68 (#25) Never once have I …
#28. To: Gatlin, lying tater (#26)
Ron Paul, exposing one Gatlin lie, after the other. It proved once again that you're a liar, that means a lot, and it can't be said too often. Gatlin is a liar!
#29. To: hondo68 (#28) (Edited)
#30. To: hondo68, Everyone (#28) (Edited) Ron Paul, exposing one Gatlin lie, after the other. It proved once again that you're a liar, that means a lot, and it can't be said too often. Gatlin is a liar! I didn’t count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even a registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election. If I were a libertarian, I would have been terribly embarrassed to mention that one libertarian in Texas cast a protest vote for Ron Paul and after all these MANY years of running for President, Ron Paul FINALLY won an electoral vote that meant absolutely nothing. Thank you, hondo, for giving me the opportunity to show a shining example of what low character libertarians can have. I see the lowly mental and atrocious moral qualities distinctive to libertarians are that of gutter trash.
#31. To: Gatlin, Ron Paul libertarian, and Libertarian Party lifetime member (#29) I didn’t count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election. You're digging yourself in deeper with more lies. Ron Paul is a longtime libertarian AND also still a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party. He ran as the Libertarian Party presidential candidate in '88, against GHW Bush and Dukakis. He did resign from the GOP prior to that run. He has never resigned from the Libertarian Party, as he recently said in an interview. @8:05
You wrote that a small "l" libertarian (the political philosophy) had never gotten an electoral vote. That is incorrect, aka a lie. Both a libertarian and a Libertarian has received at least one electoral college vote. That is Ron Paul, who is both a libertarian AND a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.
#32. To: Gatlin, Registered as a dissident, and freedom lover, with Boss Gatlin (#30) I didn’t count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even a registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election. Ron Paul is a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party but he doesn't have to be a member of any party, or register for anything to become president, you pulled that out of your azz, it's not in the Constitution. If he gets the required number of electoral college votes, he is the president. No ifs, ands or buts! He's a Natural Born US citizen of genuine American parents, and he's over 35yo. Why do you hate the US Constitution, the rule of law, and America? If you don't like the Electoral College, try to pass a Constitutional Amendment so that presidential candidates must REGISTER with Boss Gatlin, and be granted his approval. Ain't going to happen Totalitarian Freakazoid!
#33. To: hondo68, Everyone (#31) After all your rambling, it is blatantly obvious that you are NOT paying any ATTENTION to what I said. I will repeat what I said and ask that you please READ my words very CARFULLY so that you fully UNDERSTAND them. I said: Ron Paul lives in Texas and he is registered to vote in Texas. Texas is a State where one CANNOT register as a Libertarian. Consequently, there is absolutely NO way Ron Paul could be REGISTERED as a Libertarian in Texas….absolutely NO way. And so I repeat for about the third or fourth time:
#34. To: hondo68 (#33) Watch the sidebar tomorrow morning for my latest article exposing libertarians for what they really are.
#35. To: Gatlin, wants collectivist democracy, Hillary as President, instead of a republic (#33) If you're registered as a Republican, you can still vote for Gary Johnson, or Hillary, Jill Stein or whomever. The Electoral College member that you voted for when you chose Trump, might just vote for Hillary, Bernie Sanders, or Jeb! when they cast their vote. Quit sniveling and accept the fact that you live in a Republic, The United States of America, not a Totalitarian Democracy where it's a Tyranny of the Majority and you Yukonites can screw over Joe Sixpack. Suck it up, you democratic collectivist commie. This is NOT majority rule, the Electoral College system is structured along the lines of a Republican form or government, as guaranteed in the Constitution. "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion" ~Article IV If we had your majority wins democratic system, Hillary would be president right now, since she won the popular vote. Would you be happy then, in your idiotic collectivist statist utopia?
#36. To: hondo68 (#35) (Edited) Nothing you have said in your post here is related to our ongoing conversation. Please get back to me when you can make sense. I stand by my POINT: Ron Paul was NOT a REGISTERED Libertarian in 2016.
#37. To: hondo68 (#35) Yukonites Great term for Gatlin and others of his ilk. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.#38. To: Deckard (#37) Great term for Gatlin and others of his ilk. Sad….that you have no points to make and must look for small things to be amused. This is so typical of ALL you ignorant libertarians.
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