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U.S. Constitution Title: Fox News: Kavanaugh and Kethledge new SCOTUS frontrunners? — John Roberts (@johnrobertsFox) July 5, 2018 If anyone’s well positioned to know that the winds have changed in the West Wing, it’s a Fox News reporter. And if anything’s likely to boost a shortlister overnight, it’s making a good face-to-face impression on Trump. A more ideological president might look past that sort of thing to more nuts-and-bolts concerns about the nominee’s jurisprudence, but with Trump “personal chemistry” is key. A White House official involved in vetting the nominees told Axios that Trump’s likely to tilt towards “who he feels most comfortable with in a personal setting,” which would explain Kethledge’s stock rising. Although in fairness to POTUS, it’s not like Kethledge is any weaker ideologically than the competition. If Trump can get someone whom he likes personally and whom righties will like on the bench, so much the better. An interesting footnote via Politico: Apparently Ted Cruz is bearish on Kavanaugh. On a call with associates on Monday, Cruz warned that Kavanaugh is the sort of “unreliable” jurist by whom Republicans have been disappointed in the past, and he has worked to bolster the prospects of his colleague, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah). Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) also spoke to the president about the merits and drawbacks of each nominee, including Kavanaugh. Cruz can stump for Lee all he wants but Lee’s not going to be the nominee and may not even be in serious contention. What’s his beef with Kavanaugh, though? It must be more than that one ObamaCare ruling, which Kavanaugh defenders like Ed Whelan have argued has been misunderstood. What’s strange about Cruz’s opposition is that he and Kavanaugh have had parallel careers to some extent. They’re roughly the same age (Kavanaugh’s a few years older), both Ivy League law grads, both Supreme Court clerks, both worked on the Florida recount in 2000, both served in the Bush administration in Dubya’s first term. They’ve come out of the same conservative professional legal culture and that culture is very high on Kavanaugh. If anything, you’d think Cruz would be out in front recommending him as the next best choice after Lee. Is there history between the two that explains his chilliness? As for Barrett’s stock dipping, maybe her interview with Trump didn’t go as well as Kethledge’s did. Possibly Trump is worried that Barrett’s reputation, fair or not, as a pro-life warrior will end up spooking Collins and Murkowski and he’ll be dealt an embarrassing defeat in confirmation. Or maybe he’s calculating that he’ll get to appoint Ginsburg’s successor and wants to “save” a woman nominee for that spot, knowing that public pressure to fill Ginsburg’s seat with a female will be particularly intense. It’s unlike him to pass on a chance to instigate a nationwide culture-war street fight, which is what nominating Barrett would do. But if anything could make that fight more vicious, waiting to nominate Barrett as a replacement for the left’s feminist hero would do it. It would be a supreme act of clawing back cultural territory from the other side, practically a provocation. Maybe he’ll announce The Purge on the same day and let Americans really have it out for a day or two. Or maybe Barrett’s stock hasn’t dipped. Per WaPo, she’s one of three finalists, not two: — Robert Costa (@costareports) July 5, 2018 I’d wager on Kethledge. If it’s true that people like Cruz are warning Trump about Kavanaugh, Trump’s not going to roll the dice on him. The one thing he’s done as president that’s united the right entirely was appoint Neil Gorsuch; naturally he wants another nominee in that mold, not someone who’s going to attract ominous grumbles from movement conservatives from the start and maybe end up knifing conservatives on a major case while on the bench. Kethledge seems to be a safer pick despite a last-minute effort by some border hawks to paint him as soft on immigration. There’s a piece answering that charge at NRO today that’s worth your while. One last thing per Axios: Although Trump has said he’ll announce the nominee on Monday, sources say they wouldn’t be surprised if he changed his mind and broke the news early once he’s settled on someone. Don’t wander too far from a computer or TV over the next few days. Poster Comment: Ted Cruz doesn't want Kavanagh but hasn't threatened to vote him down (yet). Rand Paul is threatening to vote against Kavanagh over his actions during the Bush years. And Barrett is probably too pro-life to get past Collins/Murkowski. It looks like Kethledge at this point. And he has most of the personal qualities that Gorsuch has (hunter, fisherman, Michigander) and is considered to have a more polished style in Senate hearings and Kethledge is considered more appealing than Gorsuch to people who know them both. And that personal style factor means a lot with Trump. Kethledge is a better bet to sail through Senate hearings flawlessly than either Barrett or Kavanagh. (1 image) Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-13) not displayed.
#14. To: Tooconservative (#12) Hardiman was the runner-up to Gorsuch so I've been surprised that he hasn't been featured more prominently in the rumors about filling the Kennedy vacancy. Me too. Maybe he's now "old news".
#15. To: misterwhite (#14) Hardiman was interviewed, quietly. Trump loves the big surprise on episodes of SCOTUS Apprentice. So he could be faking us out with the List Of Three, only to pick Hardiman. I would overall prefer Hardiman to Kethledge, more track record, more originalist. And Hardiman doesn't have Kavanagh's Bush/Starr connection or Barrett's inexperience and unwise remarks about Roe. I'm a little concerned that Kethledge is so unknown on some issues that he could be a new Kennedy or Souter. Hardiman is a lot better known.
#16. To: Tooconservative (#15) So he could be faking us out with the List Of Three, only to pick Hardiman. True. He could have decided on Hardiman the day Kennedy quit, but threw out some names to test the reactions from the public. If everyone insisted he appoint one of them, he could always change his mind. Or he could appoint Me Merrick Garland Merrick Garland -- he'd get Chuck Schumer's support.
#17. To: Tooconservative (#15) I'm a little concerned that Kethledge is so unknown on some issues that he could be a new Kennedy or Souter. Why is it that conservative Republicans end up getting blindsided by these appointments but never liberal Democrats?
#18. To: misterwhite (#17) (Edited) Why is it that conservative Republicans end up getting blindsided by these appointments but never liberal Democrats? Because the judiciary are by default statists. And sooner or later they give in to the thrill. Every justice on the Court will always be more liberal than advertised, when push comes to shove. Like Roberts saving OdingaCare.
#19. To: misterwhite (#16) True. He could have decided on Hardiman the day Kennedy quit, but threw out some names to test the reactions from the public. If everyone insisted he appoint one of them, he could always change his mind. You know he's reveling in all the attention and the buildup to the Big Event. WaPo: "I think I have it down to four people, and I think of the four people, I have it down to three or two. I think they’re all outstanding,” Trump told reporters Thursday en route to Montana, declining to name the finalists. “I don’t want to say the four. But I have it down to four. I’ll have a decision made in my mind by Sunday. We’ll announce it on Monday.” So he has it down to two. Or three. Or four. Maybe. Donald is a bit of showman. But he's having lots of fun, no doubt.
#20. To: Tooconservative (#12) I think you're [] that's Hardiman. My bad. Good catch.
#21. To: misterwhite (#13) Right. As did the U.S. Supreme Court in Roe v Wade when they faithfully interpreted and applied the right to privacy they found in a penumbra of an emanation. What is the "open borders" appellation based upon? You did not address, much less answer, the question. What did he say about open borders?
#22. To: Tooconservative (#19) Donald is a bit of showman. But he's having lots of fun, no doubt. He is also listening to and evaluating the early criticisms.
#23. To: nolu chan (#22) Tune in Monday night for the next episode of Celebrity Justice.
#24. To: Tooconservative (#23) Tune in Monday night for the next episode of Celebrity Justice. I can't wait for the Senate dems questioning the nominee and the invocation of the Ginsburg rule.
#25. To: nolu chan (#21) You did not address, much less answer, the question. What did he say about open borders? In Patel v. USCIS, 732 F.3d 633, 2013, Kethledge wrote an opinion that expressly rejected the government’s contention that an American immigration law’s purpose is to protect American workers and benefit American businesses. In Van Don Nguyen v. Holder, 571 F.3d 524, 2009, Kethledge reversed a deportation order of a criminal alien who had lied about a drug conviction and been convicted of grand theft auto -- which Kethledge argued was not an aggravated felony.
#26. To: misterwhite, Ed Schultz terminated, knew too much, nolu chan (#25) Ed Schultz mysteriously dies at 64... Bender: Ed Schultz had remarkable political instincts"Heart problems, they say. I don't think so."
#27. To: misterwhite, nolu chan (#25) I'd rather have Hardiman or Kethledge but it seems all the smart money is betting on Kavanagh at this point. He has been the fair-haired boy of the Beltway conservative legal establishment since he graduated from law school. The Senate GOP will likely be willing to fight to confirm him. Kethledge is a very good writer. But supposedly Kavanagh has him beat with some people describing his opinions as operatic. That's high literary praise for legal writing and the kind of thing that routinely described Scalia's writing. He's also very fast at debate and could push oral arguments in a certain direction. They say he is impressive in person.
#28. To: hondo68 (#26) "Heart problems, they say. I don't think so." So Judge Kavanagh murdered Vince Foster and then killed Ed Schultz to keep him quiet?
#29. To: Tooconservative, Ginsburg, Sotomayer, likely to drop dead soon (#28) So Judge Kavanagh murdered Vince Foster and then killed Ed Schultz to keep him quiet? He covered up for the Clinton/Bush D&R crime syndicate. He had to whack Ed Schultz to make it through the confirmation process and replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg on SCOTUS. Orders from Javanka. Both Ginsburg and Sotomayer are likely to drop dead at any moment, so their replacements are being installed preemptively whenever possible.
#30. To: All, nolu chan, misterwhite, hondo68 (#27) Now a reported push to save that seat for Kethledge. Politico:
Got that? He actually knows a few people who drink beer from bottles! What a redneck judge! What a man of the people! If confirmed, he'd probably show up at the Court wearing a coonskin cap, by crackey.
#31. To: Tooconservative, Willettized (#30) Judge Don Willett's family produces not only beer, but whiskeys including Bourbon & Rye. A few shots of this stuff and those errant justices will be seeing things Justice Willett's way!
#32. To: Tooconservative (#30) wearing a coonskin cap, by crackey. I had one.
#33. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative, hondo68 (#25)
In Patel v. USCIS, 732 F.3d 633, 2013, Kethledge wrote an opinion that expressly rejected the government’s contention that an American immigration law’s purpose is to protect American workers and benefit American businesses. This is obviously derived from a recent screed by Ann Coulter. It would help if those actively campaigning for Brett Kavanaugh would just gather in the park by the White House and hold an official political campaign rally for Brett Kavanaugh, rather than sniping at everybody else. This appears to channel Ann Coulter via The Conservative Treehouse. https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1014595076947955713 https://www.facebook.com/OfficialAnnCoulter/posts/1597644290345379 https://twitter.com/Harvardlash/status/1014570376230301696 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Unfortunately, this is most certainly intended for an audience that has not, and will not, bother to reach out and find the court opinions and read them.
[misterwhite #25] In Van Don Nguyen v. Holder, 571 F.3d 524, 2009, Kethledge reversed a deportation order of a criminal alien who had lied about a drug conviction and been convicted of grand theft auto -- which Kethledge argued was not an aggravated felony. https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1014596302502539266
Ann Coulter In Nguyen, the Opinion of the Court was written by Circuit Judge Merritt, not Circuit Judge Kethledge. The criminal alien was a permanent resident whose crime had been committed 18 years previously. At issue was whether a necessary predicate for an order of deportation existed. The unanimous three-judge panel concluded it did not. Judge Kethledge joined the opinion of Judge Merritt. Judge Griffin filed a concurring opinion only disagreeing with obiter dicta. At 1-2:
OPINION At 2-3:
The Board of Immigration Appeals followed the reasoning of the Fifth Circuit and found that Nguyen’s 1990 conviction for auto theft under California law was a “crime of violence” rendering him subject to removal. Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, “[a]ny alien who is convicted of an aggravated felony at any time after admission is deportable.” 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii). The list of offenses that constitute “aggravated felonies” includes “a crime of violence (as defined in section 16 of Title 18, but not including a purely political offense) for which the term of imprisonment [is] at least one year.” 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(F). Nguyen was convicted in 1990, under California state law, of the crime of Grand Theft. At 6:
Whether a state conviction constitutes a crime of violence under 18 U.S.C. § 16 has been the subject of much litigation. As defined by 18 U.S.C. § 16, a crime of violence is: At 7-11:
Section 487 of the California Penal Code, which was in effect at the time of Nguyen's conviction in 1990, defines grand theft simply as the "taking" of property above a certain value from another. The statute includes all manner of personal property, such as agricultural products, livestock and, as was the case herein, an automobile. Under California law, the elements of auto theft are not explicitly set out in the statute, but California case law has identified them as follows: any person who (1) takes possession; (2) of an automobile; (3) owned or possessed by another; (4) by means of trespass and (5) with intent to permanently deprive the owner of such property; and (6) carries the automobile away. See, e.g., People v. Davis, 965 P.2d 1165, 1167 (Cal. 1998). The use of physical force to take the property is not an element of the offense. Under the language of Section 16(b), the question then becomes whether "taking" an automobile "by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing [the theft]." 18 U.S.C. § 16 (b). https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/judge-kethledge-immigration-laws-faithful-application/
In Van Don Nguyen v. Holder, for example, Judge Kethledge joined an opinion holding that grand theft auto was not an “aggravated felony” because the statute defined “aggravated felony” as a “crime of violence,” and grand theft auto — although a serious crime — is not a violent crime under Supreme Court precedent. Only an activist judge could have reached a different conclusion. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[misterwhite #25] In Patel v. USCIS, 732 F.3d 633, 2013, Kethledge wrote an opinion that expressly rejected the government’s contention that an American immigration law’s purpose is to protect American workers and benefit American businesses.
Ann Coulter Slams 'Open Borders Zealots' on Trump's SCOTUS Shortlist, Backs Kavanaugh https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1014595076947955713
Ann Coulter The Opinion addressed and answered the question of whether it was proper for the District Court to issue a dismissal for lack of prudential standing. The 6th Circuit, opinion by Judge Kethledge, found that dismissal for lack of prudential standing was reversible error. It ends with the court stating, "Finally, having determined that Patel had both prudential and constitutional standing in this case, we decline to go further and address the merits of his claim." Rightly or wrongly decided, what it decided was prudential standing. At 1-2:
OPINION At 3-5:
II. At 7:
Disembodied notions of statutory purpose cannot override what the statute actually says. What § 1153(b)(3) says is that the alien, ultimately, is the one who is entitled to the employment visa. The alien's interest in receiving it is therefore within the zone of interests protected or regulated by the statute. Patel has prudential standing to challenge the denial of his prospective employer's petition for an employment visa. At 7-8:
B. At 8-9:
D. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians v. Patchak et al., 567 U.S. 209 (2012), (8-1) Kagan, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Roberts, C. J., and Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Ginsburg, Breyer, and Alito, JJ., joined. Sotomayor, J., filed a dissenting opinion, post, p. 228.
The prudential standing test Patchak must meet “is not meant to be especially demanding.” Clarke v. Securities Industry Assn., 479 U. S. 388, 399 (1987). We apply the test in keeping with Congress’s “evident intent” when enacting the APA “to make agency action presumptively reviewable.” Ibid. We do not require any “indication of congressional purpose to benefit the would-be plaintiff.” Id., at 399–400. And we have always conspicuously included the word “arguably” in the test to indicate that the benefit of any doubt goes to the plaintiff. The test forecloses suit only when a plaintiff ’s “interests are so marginally related to or inconsistent with the purposes implicit in the statute that it cannot reasonably be assumed that Congress intended to permit the suit.” Id., at 399. - - - - - - - - - - https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/judge-kethledge-immigration-laws-faithful-application/
In Patel v. USCIS, Judge Kethledge ruled that an immigrant was permitted to bring his suit — not necessarily to prevail, but just to have his claim heard in court. The government wanted to throw the case out based on a legal doctrine called prudential standing, but Judge Kethledge recognized that he was bound by the Supreme Court’s holding that prudential standing is not “demanding” and is relatively easy to satisfy. Here again, Judge Kethledge knew that his obligation as a lower-court judge was to respect the Supreme Court’s precedent. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = https://www.scribd.com/document/383353230/Van-Don-Nguyen-v-Holder-571-F3d-524-6th-Cir-2009
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#34. To: nolu chan (#33) Interesting that Coulter, who I recall is a proud alumnus of Michigan law, is opposed to the leading jurist who might represent Michigan ably on the Court. Instead, she's with the Beltway establishment, sticking knives in Kethledge to promote the Swamp's favorite, Kavanagh.
#35. To: misterwhite (#32) I had one. But of course you did. When I was younger, we killed thousands of those destructive little bastards. Never once wanted to wear one on my head. My older brother made decent money at times selling their dead bodies to local fur buyers. Sometimes entire pickup loads of them.
#36. To: Tooconservative (#35) Weren't a Davy Crockett fan, huh?
#37. To: misterwhite (#36) Weren't a Davy Crockett fan, huh? King of the wild frontier, my shiny white hiney.
#38. To: Tooconservative (#35) Coons are the asshole rodents of the woods... the only good coon is a dead coon. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح #39. To: GrandIsland (#38) Coons are the asshole rodents of the woods... the only good coon is a dead coon. They are extremely destructive and cunning. Hard to get rid of without just killing every last one of them.
#40. To: GrandIsland (#38) Coons are the asshole rodents of the woods... the only good coon is a dead coon. I sense a double meaning here.
#41. To: Tooconservative (#35) When I was younger, we killed thousands of those destructive little bastards. Aha. Now I get it. You're upset with yourself that you didn't have the business savvy to sell the skins to Disney. "At its peak, the frenzy started by Parker's Davy Crockett character helped sell 5,000 coonskin caps a day, causing the price of raccoon fur to jump from 25 cents a pound to $8." And those are 1955 prices.
#42. To: misterwhite (#41) "At its peak, the frenzy started by Parker's Davy Crockett character helped sell 5,000 coonskin caps a day, causing the price of raccoon fur to jump from 25 cents a pound to $8." And those are 1955 prices. Racoon fur was pretty decent at other times. Late Seventies, a few years in the Eighties. Not sure about since then. I wasn't sure that most of those years that people hunting them with spotlights/flashlights and .22 rifles were making much money by the time you paid for gas to bomb around in a pickup. Some years, a kid could make some decent money that way. Most years, not much. It was simpler for me. I just wanted those coons dead. Also, skunks and porcupines and badgers and, of course, coyotes. All foul creatures IMO.
#43. To: All, misterwhite, GrandIsland (#42) In addition to the species I listed above, I forgot to mention my intense dislike of prairie dogs, moles and rabbits. And crows. And certain species of hawks. Pretty much, I hate all the woodland rodent species and would shoot them on sight if a gun was handy. I'm not even that fond of beavers, very destructive to trees in their vicinity. But I didn't shoot beavers.
#44. To: Tooconservative (#42) I just wanted those coons dead. Also, skunks and porcupines and badgers and, of course, coyotes. All foul creatures IMO. Here on the farm we have raccoon, skunk, possum, fox and lots of squirrels. Target rich environment (not the squirrels -- the Goldens love to chase them). (That would be Doug and Nancy Golden who live next door.)
#45. To: Tooconservative (#43) In addition to the species I listed above, I forgot to mention my intense dislike of prairie dogs, moles and rabbits. And crows. And certain species of hawks. Perhaps a list of animals you do like would be shorter.
#46. To: misterwhite (#44) Target rich environment (not the squirrels -- the Goldens love to chase them). A squirrel is rarely worth a .22 shell.
Perhaps a list of animals you do like would be shorter. Much shorter.
#47. To: Tooconservative (#46) A squirrel is rarely worth a .22 shell. They would be if you made hats out of them.
#48. To: misterwhite (#47) I don't think hats made from tree rats are that much in demand.
#49. To: misterwhite (#40) I sense a double meaning here. i.e. POTATO.
lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح #50. To: Tooconservative (#39) (Edited) I’ve had to put five more rounds from a cylinder full of .357, into a coon, just to get that mangy fucker to stop screaming from the first shot I put in it. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح #51. To: GrandIsland (#50) The bigger ones can be incredibly tough, even fairly aggressive.
#52. To: GrandIsland (#50) I’ve had to put five more rounds from a cylinder full of .357, into a coon, Ain't that the truth.
#53. To: Tooconservative (#48) I don't think hats made from tree rats are that much in demand. It got me curious. I found a website (Chichester, Inc) that sells squirrel pelts -- $20 for Red Canadian Pine Squirrel:#1 Grade. $31.99 for American Gray Squirrel. This could be your opportunity to sell the critters you slaughter by the thousands.
#54. To: misterwhite (#53) This could be your opportunity to sell the critters you slaughter by the thousands. No, I don't shoot them like I used to. Their numbers locally declined rather sharply over the years.
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