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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 EXPOSED: The Dark Truth About the Hostages in Gaza New Task Force Ready To Expose Dark Secrets Egypt Amasses Forces on Israel’s Southern Border | World War 3 About to Start? "Trump wants to dismantle the Education Department. 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The operation was the culmination of a joint effort with the US and Turkey, pointing out the potential fault lines as well as synergy the combination provides: Iraq captured five Islamic State commanders after its intelligence services lured them into crossing from neighboring Syria, Iraqi state TV reported Wednesday. It described the five as “some of the most wanted” leaders of ISIS. They were named as Saddam al-Jammel, Mohamed al-Qadeer, Ismail al-Eithawi, Omar al-Karbouli and Essam al-Zawbai and were shown in yellow prisoner uniforms. … Hashimi said the operation was carried out in cooperation with U.S. forces, part of an American-led coalition fighting against Islamic State on both sides of the Iraqi-Syrian border. Following Eithawi’s capture, Iraqi and American intelligence agents were able to uncover bank accounts used by the group and also secret communication codes he used, Hashimi said. It all started with a tip about one leader who had been moving back and forth across the Turkish border using an assumed identity. Once identified and captured, intel resources from all three countries got key information from the detainee that led to the other leaders: Mr. Ithawi, described by the Iraqis as a top aide to the Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al- Baghdadi, had been in charge of fatwas, or religious rulings, in the Islamic State’s so-called caliphate. He was also in charge of the education curriculum, and was a member of the body that appointed security and administrative leaders for the Islamic State’s territory, which had included large parts of Iraq and Syria. He had been living in Turkey with his Syrian wife under his brother’s identity, one of these officials said. The Iraqis sent the Turks an intelligence file they had amassed on Mr. Ithawi, and the Turkish security forces arrested him on Feb. 15, and extradited him to Iraq, this official said. The interrogation paid specific military dividends even before the capture. Fortunately, that didn’t tip off ISIS command to their security breach: The American-led coalition used this information to launch an airstrike in mid-April that killed 39 suspected Islamic State members near Hajin, in the Deir al-Zour district of Syria, the second official said. The joint Iraqi-American intelligence team then set a trap, according to these officials. They persuaded Mr. Ithawi to contact several of his Islamic State colleagues who had been hiding in Syria and lure them across the border, the officials said. The Iraqi authorities were waiting, and arrested the group soon after they crossed the frontier, the officials said. Presumably the five men have been sufficiently interrogated prior to this announcement. Normally, intelligence agencies keep these kinds of victories under wraps until all the potential gets played out. Now that the other ISIS leaders know of their capture — or at least have had it confirmed on Iraqi TV — they will take steps to cover their rear ends, reshuffling their security and changing locations to keep the US coalition from capturing them next. Or perhaps that’s the point. The biggest risk for insurgents is when they have to suddenly shift resources from previously safe havens. Moving opens up opportunities for intelligence and military assets in the area to pick them off. With their world shrinking down to almost nothing as it is, popping up on radar screens would be almost unavoidable. Either way, this deals a big blow to ISIS’ command structure and their ability to maintain control. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s leadership will lose even more credibility, and their ability to retain fighters and recruit new replacements will decline further. Hopefully this intelligence coup will spell the end of the group sooner rather than later. Poster Comment: Finishing off the ISIS leadership stragglers. Put them all on trial for war crimes after our allies "interrogate" them thoroughly. They'll be begging their captors to be transferred to soft, cushy Gitmo by now. I have zero sympathy of any kind for ISIS fighters and especially the leaders. Anything goes. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Tooconservative (#0) I have zero sympathy of any kind for ISIS fighters and especially the leaders. Anything goes. I am not without sympathy for any human being. The only acceptable reason to use "harsh interrogation methods" (torture) is to gain actionable information to go and destroy the enemy, and only because this enemy is shadowy, un-uniformed, and operates by killing civilians by surprise. The nature of the enemy makes them unable to be defeated by conventional means, and we cannot permit the slaughter of innocents. The purpose is NOT to gratify our desire for revenge by acting, ourselves, as medieval torturers. If we do stoop to that, we are no different than the enemy is - and the only reason that we can justify to reasonable people the necessity of doing what we have to do is BECAUSE it is necessary, not because we like it. In a similar vein, the notion that our prisons SHOULD be horrible places of unsupervised rape is a mindset that has to be criticized and suppressed. If somebody thinks that way, he is no ally of mine, and we're going to have to suppress his urges. We don't use torture out of anger, but in order to save lives. And we don't imprison people to torture them, but to get them out of society so they can cause no further harm. And since we're going to eventually release most prisoners back INTO society, if we are stupid assholes and treat prisons like torture chambers and get our jollies from that, what we do is prepare psychopaths and train criminals to get THEIR revenge on society when they come out. There is a whole mindset that is ugly, thuggish, very stupid and - most importantly - directly contrary to Jesus - that has to be suppressed on our own conservative side. IF there were drugs that we could, quite painlessly, inject into terrorist prisoners to extract information from them, and also drug traffickers, organized crime bosses, and all violent felons, then that is what we should be doing. The purpose of torture is NOT self-gratification and revenge. It is to gain actionable intelligence to stop terrorism, AND NOTHING MORE. The purpose of prisons is to protect society, and therefore we must take active steps to make the prisoners BETTER coming out than they went in. Otherwise we take a nuisance germ and turn it into a lethal pathogen BECAUSE we sent it to prison where it got worse BECAUSE we really want to torture criminals, not make them see the light. There is more than a difference of opinion on this matter. Some people are really hard-minded and evil and WANT to torture enemies and criminals, even though it does not work to CORRECT behavior. It is more important to STOP terrorists than to correct them. They are murderers and, once captured, they should either be imprisoned for life or executed. But the PURPOSE of torture - if we HAVE to use it - is information, not revenge. Once we get the information, then execution should be by some relatively humane method, like lethal injection or hanging. We don't burn terrorists at the stake out of hatred or the desire to gratify our revenge instinct, and we only torture them to get field intelligence. That's the way it HAS TO BE. There is no room in a civilized society for a difference of opinion on this matter, we do not, and we will not, torture for revenge. The people who do THAT are depraved criminals who need to be imprisoned just like any other violent criminal. Where we havre drugs and biofeedback and other means to get information, we don't waterboard to feel powerful and punish. If we don't need to waterboard at all, we should not. Our purpose is to stop attacks, not punish past ones. Those are punished by imprisonment and civilized execution. This should be obvious. No matter how angry we are, we don't torture terrorist to gratify our desire for revenge or slake our own rage. THAT is terroristic and barbaric. If we do it, it's because we have to, to save lives and further chop down the terrorist organizations. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-11   6:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Vicomte13 (#1) So says the lizard whisperer who said his solution was to murder all right wingers. You are a head full of contradictions and self delusions. Having said that I agree with some of what you wrote this time. To bad it contradicts your previous mindset. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-05-11   6:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#1) (Edited) Spare me the bleeding heart spiels. Dime a dozen in rags like WaPo and Slimes. Terror regimes that flout the Geneva conventions and brag about it don't get to enjoy those protections. You can morally preen your disapproval all you want since that seems to be necessary to your elevated opinion of yourself. Some regimes deserve only the harshest and most brutal treatment when they commit atrocities. ISIS is especially deserving of this, given how they glorified terrorizing their occupied territories and their opponents. You do recall all the beheading videos, the mass rapes, etc? How about this one? I'd have no particular objection if the Iraqis decided to let these five ISIS leaders learn firsthand what it's like to walk around inside a burning cage and broadcast it internationally, just like ISIS did to the Jordanian pilot. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-11   7:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: A K A Stone (#2) So says the lizard whisperer who said his solution was to murder all right wingers. You are a head full of contradictions and self delusions. Having said that I agree with some of what you wrote this time. To bad it contradicts your previous mindset. People get angry. And when they get angry, they do things that they otherwise would not. I am not unique in this. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-11   8:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Vicomte13 (#1) The purpose is NOT to gratify our desire For many people if not for the most gratification of desires is the main purpose in their life. A Pole  posted on  2018-05-11   8:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Tooconservative (#0) I have zero sympathy of any kind for ISIS fighters and especially the leaders. Anything goes. I do too! Especially the part where we trained ISIL fighters ourselves. This whole war on terrorism is real but at the same time a joke because we have become our own enemy in fighting it. goldilucky  posted on  2018-05-11   10:43:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Vicomte13 (#1) No matter how angry we are, we don't torture terrorist to gratify our desire for revenge or slake our own rage. THAT is terroristic and barbaric. If we do it, it's because we have to, to save lives and further chop down the terrorist organizations. Yes, we do torture terrorists! We not only torture them but we trained them. goldilucky  posted on  2018-05-11   10:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: goldilucky (#7) Yes, we do torture terrorists! We not only torture them but we trained them. Ooops. Our bad. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-11   11:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Vicomte13 (#4) People get angry. And when they get angry, they do things that they otherwise would not. I am not unique in this. Matthew 12:34 King James Version (KJV) 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-05-12   13:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: A K A Stone (#9) Your website, your rules. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-12   15:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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