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Title: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should've taken the deals they were offered
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HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/04 ... -shouldve-taken-deals-offered/
Published: Apr 30, 2018
Author: Ed Morrissey
Post Date: 2018-05-01 02:51:50 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 10638
Comments: 88
Now, MBS says, it’s time to make a deal or “shut up and stop complaining”: “In the last several decades the Palestinian leadership has missed one opportunity after the other and rejected all the peace proposals it was given. It is about time the Palestinians take the proposals and agree to come to the negotiations table or shut up and stop complaining.” MBS also made two other points on the Palestinian issue during the meeting: Under MBS’ leadership since taking effective power in June 2017, Saudi Arabia has aligned itself far more with the West. Decrees from the royal palace are now allowing women to drive and to dress in something other than black abayas and niqabs while in public. MBS has opened cinemas in Saudi Arabia for the first time in decades. He’s either cleaning up corruption or purging dissidents and hardliners, but either way MBS is making sure that he directs public policy for Saudi Arabia for the next several decades, and directs it to come closer to the West. The main intention of all this appears to be an effort to isolate Iran, which has become an existential threat to Sunni power in the region. Our invasion and then abandonment of Iraq didn’t help in that effort, which is why even the previous crown prince took a distinctly cool approach to Barack Obama at the end of his presidency. MBS knows that he’ll have to modernize in order to make Western nations comfortable with any partnership for the region, and that the glut on oil markets means that the Saudis can’t simply use energy as leverage any more. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, they’ve been playing footsie with Tehran more than Riyadh, and now they’re going to pay for it. Choosing sides has consequences, and with the stakes as high as they are now, the Saudis see the Palestinians as dispensable. They’d rather ally openly with Israel to keep Iran at bay, and the best way to do that is for the Palestinians to take a deal and get on with their lives. Unfortunately again for the Palestinians, they still can’t decide what they want, or even how to discuss it: President Mahmoud Abbas is expected to use the four-day Palestinian National Council (PNC) meeting to renew his legitimacy and to install loyalists in powerful positions to begin shaping his legacy. Abbas has billed the meeting of the Palestinian National Council (PNC), the de facto parliament of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, as a chance to establish a united front against Israel and the United States, after President Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. The hardline Islamists in Hamas and Islamic Jihad, both of which are aligned with Iran, have boycotted the event, ostensibly because its West Bank location puts them at risk of arrest by Israel. But Reuters notes that three factions of the PLO are also boycotting, in part because they believe Abbas hasn’t been open enough to working with IJ or Hamas. The event is seen as an anachronism by other Palestinians, a desperate attempt by Abbas to emphasize his legitimacy as the Palestinian Authority leader while being largely ignored by all sides. The Saudis have had enough. Perhaps Abbas should take MBS’ advice and cut a deal while he still can. Or maybe they should stop sucking up to Iran. That’s the real subtext of the surprising rhetoric coming from Mohammed bin Salman, the young crown prince of Saudi Arabia who’s rewriting the Middle East script after seizing power in a family feud last year. Barak Ravid reports for Axios that MBS, as he’s colloquially known, told representatives of Jewish groups last month that while Saudi Arabia still wants a just and lasting settlement for the Palestinians, they could have gotten that themselves. According to my sources, the Saudi Crown Prince told the Jewish leaders: A powerful but rarely convened assembly that calls itself the Palestinian “supreme authority” meets for the first time in 22 years on Monday, but boycotts and rifts suggest it will struggle to achieve its stated goal of unity against Israel and the United States.
Poster Comment:
Ha! The Pali animals are being thrown under the bus as the Saudis see Israel as a more valuable ally in the struggle against Iranian hegemony instead of playing the whipping boy of Arab Jew-hate propaganda.
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The only people there were Palestinians until the Jews fled Europe and moved in.
They bought the land from a number of Arabs at inflated prices. The so-called Palestinians are mostly just Jordanians.
#49. To: no gnu taxes, A K A Stone (#43)
I admire your meaty posts here but you are up against crypto-antisemites here. They mount (deliberately) uninformed propaganda to justify their Joo-hate. You cannot reasonably hope to persuade them by arguing from the facts.
#50. To: Tooconservative (#7)
I didn't realize LF was such a hotbed of Israel-haters.
These guys are pikers compared to the Jew haters over at Freedumb4um.
#51. To: no gnu taxes (#41)
We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria
There were other British reports, also from XIX century, about poverty in Irish villages. Must be English rule there was not much better , than of the Turks.
Do you hate Irish too?
#52. To: All (#51)
Poverty was not unique for the Arabs under Turkish rule, or for the Irish.
Photos from Jewish town in 1920s Poland:
Next decade, poor Americans:
Poor Polish children in 1930s Poland:
#53. To: A Pole (#51)
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. That everybody who supports jews like people living in poverty? Maybe you hate these guys:
#54. To: no gnu taxes (#53) (Edited)
Maybe you hate these guys:
Look, half of my family was killed during the WWII by people like you. I know your kind.
It is you who hates people who are weaker, or poor, or stigmatized.
I do not hate you at all. Probably you act our early trauma, when you felt to be under.
#55. To: A Pole (#54)
It is you who hates people who are weaker, or poor, or stigmatized.
I don't see that coming from gnu.
But there is a real stench of unwarranted smug condescension and Lefty accusations of various "thought crimes" reeking in every post you make.
#56. To: A Pole (#54)
I don't hate anybody poor, Pole.
My dad grew up in the depression and was genuinely hungry almost every day of his life at that time.
This isn't about poor people. It's about propaganda - keeping people poor to promote a political agenda.
#57. To: no gnu taxes (#56)
I don't hate anybody poor, Pole. My dad grew up in the depression and was genuinely hungry almost every day of his life at that time.
So you try to distance yourself from the poor and excluded, by contempt and hostility.
I had comfortable childhood. Not because my parents were Commies, they were professionals who had good start before Communism. After the Communists took over they got "impoverished" as they could have only one servant. Grandparents had several.
I do not claim any credit for my inherited privilege, same way I do not put any blame on my friends of poor background.
Yet, sometimes I feel in them bitterness and resentment toward people like me. Those are toxic feeling, try to free yourself from them. Life and universe are greater than the social divisions and injustice.
#58. To: Tooconservative (#55)
But there is a real stench of unwarranted smug condescension and Lefty accusations of various "thought crimes" reeking in every post you make.
Sorry, I will try harder not to be smug ;)
#59. To: A Pole (#57)
Well, I can appreciate your background.
The people in Palestine could be living in luxury right now if the other Muslims wanted it.
#60. To: no gnu taxes (#48)
They bought the land from a number of Arabs at inflated prices.
Just the opposite. They screwed the ignorant peasants.
Man, you are like 0 for 10 in your claims. Where are you getting your information from?
#61. To: no gnu taxes (#47)
What voluntary concessions has Israel made in their conflict with the Palestinians?
Honestly? They offered not to take as much land as they were planning on taking. That's their "concession".
"even though all Palestine west and east of the Jordan had been mandated to the British for the cultivation of a Jewish homeland."
Nope. The Balfour Declaration stated, “His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.”
A home for the Jewish people in Palestine. Not, "All of Palestine as a home for the Jewish people. All others not welcome". Which is how the Israelis read it.
#62. To: Tooconservative, no gnu taxes (#49)
You cannot reasonably hope to persuade them by arguing from the facts.
I'm waiting for facts. All I'm getting is propaganda.
#63. To: no gnu taxes (#47)
The most dramatic gesture was the total withdrawal from Gaza.
Not total withdrawal. Israel continues their 12-year blockade of Gaza which has "devastated Gaza's economy, caused widespread destruction and left most people largely cut off from the outside world."
Then Israel has the balls to say, "See? The Palestinians can't function without us."
#64. To: misterwhite (#60)
Where are you getting your information from?
Reputable sources. I've given numerous examples of where Israel tried to give reasonable offers to these mongrel Arabs, and you you have ignored them all. Arafat died a multi-millionaire. Why do you think that is?
This could go on forever. If you wish to worship people who cheered the 911 terrorism and want to hate Jews, feel free to continue in your line of thought. However, I am done.
#65. To: no gnu taxes (#64)
I've given numerous examples of where Israel tried to give reasonable offers
They were not the least bit reasonable. UN 242 was reasonable. The Saudi Peace Plan was reasonable.
#66. To: A Pole (#34)
I need XXL size, hard to find. Really.
Go to the hospitals that specialize in treating hydrocephalics.
#67. To: misterwhite (#38)
Yeah. Some wandering Jew pitched a tent in the desert 4,000 years ago and that established the State of Israel forever.
That's the way that "claims" get made, isn't it?
"It's mine!" "No it isn't!" "It's MINE!" "Why would you even think that?" "Because I said 'It's mine' first!" "So what?" "So therefore, it's mine!" "No it isn't." "Well, me and this gun here say that it's mine." "Ah. Well. Alright then."
Later: "He ADMITTED that it's mine!" "No I didn't." "You said 'Alright', which means that you admitted it's mine." "No, you were pointing a gun at me, so I said what I needed to say to save my life. I do not admit that it's yours." "You did!" "I did not!" "You DID!" "No, I didn't."
Both whip out guns and shoot each other, with their families watching.
10 years later, the boy of one of the deceased says to the boy of the other "It's mine!"
#68. To: Vicomte13 (#66)
Go to the hospitals that specialize in treating hydrocephalics.
He, he. I did have tomography. No water, only brain tissue.
#69. To: misterwhite (#31)
Palestine refers to a region. There is no country of Palestine.And there won't be if Israel has their way.
And either way it is none of our concern.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#70. To: paraclete (#33)
so this would suggest Russians are smarter than the rest,
I don't know if Russians are smarter than other Europeans,but I do know they are the only Europeans who haven't been living as slaves ever since the country was founded. First it was the Czar,and then it was the Commizar. Either way things were upside down,and the idiots were in charge. A smart man that wants to live takes care to not embarrass or insult his idiot master.
I also know I have met a hell of a lot of smart Russians.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#71. To: A Pole (#34)
My head is too large for the hats. I need XXL size, hard to find. Really.
Have you tried letting some of the hot air escape?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#72. To: A Pole (#37)
They like the cold.
Yeah,those two look like they are having fun.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#73. To: misterwhite (#38)
Yeah. Some wandering Jew pitched a tent in the desert 4,000 years ago and that established the State of Israel forever.
Why do you care?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#74. To: no gnu taxes (#50)
These guys are pikers compared to the Jew haters over at Freedumb4um.
No kidding. I finally had to quit posting there. You just can't reason with foaming at the mouth cretins.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#75. To: sneakypete (#73) (Edited)
Why do you care?
That's where I am on this conflict between Jew and Muslim, Israeli and Palestinian, and the whole Middle East.
Time was, we needed the oil, so it mattered. Now we are an oil exporter, so the whole region doesn't matter so much.
It's a hopeless mess because of 4000 years of stubborn and violent culture. Two religions, neither of which are mine, are in violent conflict (my co- religionists are being driven out of the region in droves).
So, I say have generous immigration to CHRISTIANS fleeing the violence of the Middle East - and Christianity is easy to test. And as to the rest of the nuthouse? Not my circus, not my monkeys, don't need the region, don't care, ain't gonna - and wish we'd just get out.
#76. To: Vicomte13 (#75)
"The U.S. has sent almost $300 billion in military and economic aid to troubled Middle East and Central Asian countries over the past six decades." That's our tax dollars. And what has it gotten us?
THAT'S why I care.
#77. To: misterwhite (#76)
That's our tax dollars. And what has it gotten us? THAT'S why I care.
Don't take it personally and you don't know they got it anyway, many intermediataries. Giving people aid doesn't buy you anything, not even loyality
#78. To: paraclete (#77) (Edited)
Giving people aid doesn't buy you anything, not even loyality
Don't be ridiculous! It buys votes every day of the week,and politicians exist to gather votes. Kind of like tiny little perpetual motion machines. They say they have to get voted back into office in order to do anything,so they need to focus more on gathering votes than anything else. ESPECIALLY more than they spend on trying to bring America back on a Constitutional footing. kinda makes you wonder which came first,the bribe or the vote,doesn't it?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#79. To: sneakypete (#70)
I also know I have met a hell of a lot of smart Russians.
It doesn't explain why they are so poor with an economy much smaller than Texas despite considerable oil wealth. They also tend to drink themselves to death at an early age. And they only seem happy while living under despots of some flavor or another. It never works out for them though.
Maybe they aren't so smart.
#80. To: sneakypete (#78)
kinda makes you wonder which came first, the bribe or the vote, doesn't it?
Certainly the bribe
#81. To: misterwhite (#76)
"The U.S. has sent almost $300 billion in military and economic aid to troubled Middle East and Central Asian countries over the past six decades." That's our tax dollars. And what has it gotten us?THAT'S why I care.
We are brothers on THAT one!
I say we just let the backwards bastards kill each other off,and maybe make a few bucks selling them weapons to do it with.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#82. To: Tooconservative (#79)
It doesn't explain why they are so poor with an economy much smaller than Texas despite considerable oil wealth.
No,but communism does.
They also tend to drink themselves to death at an early age.
Yes,they do. If you didn't know any better,you would think they are Irish.
In the case of the Russians,it is 100 years of being born and living in a communist police state.
In the case of the Irish,it is possibly hundreds of years of living in a Catholic police state,plus they just like to drink and fight.
And they only seem happy while living under despots of some flavor or another.
And how would we know that? Other than the 15 minutes or so of living free under Yeltsin,all they have ever known were despots,going back to the time of the Mongol invasions. Maybe even before the Mongols.
It never works out for them though.
It never works out for anyone but the despot and his family.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#83. To: paraclete (#80)
kinda makes you wonder which came first, the bribe or the vote, doesn't it?Certainly the bribe
You are right,of course. In fact,it could be safely claimed that a vote is little more than a bribe magnet.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#84. To: sneakypete (#82)
And how would we know that? Other than the 15 minutes or so of living free under Yeltsin,all they have ever known were despots,going back to the time of the Mongol invasions. Maybe even before the Mongols.
Well, as Kanye said, after 400 years it sounds like a choice.
#85. To: Tooconservative (#84)
Well, as Kanye said, after 400 years it sounds like a choice.
Hey! If you can't trust the wisdom of a brilliant man like Kanye,who can you trust?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#86. To: sneakypete (#85)
Hey! If you can't trust the wisdom of a brilliant man like Kanye,who can you trust?
Oh, spare us the sarcasm, please
#87. To: sneakypete (#85)
I think Kanye sucks, about as much as Will Smith whose fame and fortune I never grasped either.
#88. To: Tooconservative (#79)
It doesn't explain why they are so poor with an economy much smaller than Texas despite considerable oil wealth.
Let us put aside the question, if the purchasing power parity is or not the proper way to measure economy size.
Russia looks quite typical when you do not compare her with USA, Dubai or Liechtenstein. The real question why Americans got so rich?
1. they started from the high point, being better than average settlers from the most civilized and prosperous countries.
2. they were protected by the oceans from foreign invasions and wars
3. they did not waste time and resources on bringing primitive tribes up and to integrate. They just exterminated them.
4. in XIX century they distributed seized lands for free to the general public
5. they inherited from British, French and Spanish colonial methods of wealth and labor extraction
and more ...
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