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Title: Amnesty to cost illegal immigrants $500
Source: examiner.com
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/x-10317-San ... to-cost-illegal-immigrants-500
Published: Dec 19, 2009
Author: examiner.com
Post Date: 2009-12-19 21:34:37 by WhiteSands
Keywords: DNC, ACORN, Amnesty
Views: 35703
Comments: 82

Democrat lawmaker Luis Gutierrez (D-ILL) and the Hispanic caucus have decided the cost for those who entered the country illegally and have broken untold laws since their arrival will pay $500 to get their citizenship.

This is quite the deal as it costs many illegal immigrants $4,000 to $5,000 in coyote (human smugglers) fees to make the often treacherous walk through the country's southern borders.

The immigration bill aptly named, “Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America’s Security and Prosperity Act (H.R. 4321)” Gutierrez’s claimed he was responsible for the acronym “CIR ASAP” and hoped it would spur other lawmakers to quickly pass immigration reform legislation.

This week the Illinois Congressman announced his wish list for the illegal immigrant population, which calls for amnesty and relaxing verification tools. “This is what we want; our proposal is out of the box,” he said.

However the authors of the bill will face an uphill battle in the Senate, many of whom have already said the bill is dead on arrival. Making this even more difficult is the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who threatened all lawmakers, the House will not take the lead in any new legislation next year. Pelosi explained in a news conference that Congress has taken the leading role all year and many Congressmen could lose their seats because they were forced to support her on a number of unpopular issues.

Although the Democrats have the numbers to easily pass immigration reform, a down economy and double-digit unemployment threatens passage of a bill, especially one as liberal as this.

Congressman Brian Bilbray (R-CA), who is on the House Immigration Reform Caucus, said the reform legislation would generate a new wave of migrants to compete with Americans currently seeking employment.

The "CIR ASAP" bill lays out the need for illegal immigrants to prove they are working, pay a $500 fine, learn English and pass a criminal background check. However, the bill didn’t include the “touchback” provision which would force all seeking amnesty to return to their home country and enter into the country legally.

“Not to be picky on the back ground checks, but if someone crosses into this country illegally and is working illegally (often with forged paperwork) wouldn’t they be considered criminals?” Steve Jones a lifelong California resident would like the President to explain how this would work. “I know if I used forged paperwork I’d go to jail and have charges on my permanent record for life.”

Details, details details.

Another point of contention is the fact country's international borders remain as porous as ever causing a lot of concern from border state law enforcement officers. Sheriff Sigi Gonzalez of Texas states his county cannot take anymore immigrants. “There’s simply no money or services left, we’re broke.”

Couple that with the fact that this bill calls for the dismantling of E-Verify. This effective system is able to obtain legal status of potential workers who are put through the computer with a 96 percent accuracy rate. Employers enjoy free access to E-Verify and are able to ensure their employees meet federal guidelines regarding legal status.

Other highlights in the bill include AgJOBS amnesty (farm workers) as well as the DREAM Act with grants automatic amnesty to those who graduated U.S. high schools and wish to attend college. This should be of particular concern to parents who are already struggling to pay college increasing tuition fees, as this bill will add much more competition to the federal grants and scholarship programs.

The bill reads like a child’s Christmas wish and judging by the up tick in tea party organizers, anti-amnesty activists and concerned American citizens the "CIR ASAP" legislation may get nothing more than coal in its stocking next year.

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#11. To: Wood_Chopper (#7)

If Palin did this, would it be amnesty?

It only when a "Dimrat" does it, it's bad. When a GOP'er does it, it's good.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-20   0:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#0)

However, the bill didn’t include the “touchback” provision which would force all seeking amnesty to return to their home country and enter into the country legally.

The path must include entering legally via the Immigration process quota for their nation, etc.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-20   0:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Moderate Mammal (#11) (Edited)

That's just it

Palin has done nothing re immigration.

She is a private citizen.

You guys give Amnesty to those in power working on this issue while focusing on her.

By the time she runs, if she does it will probably be a moot point.

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-20   0:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Wood_Chopper (#5)

would it be amnesty?

Have you ever heard of anyone purchasing amnesty? Geezus, use a fookin dictionary!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   0:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Wood_Chopper (#10)

Your question is off topic.

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-20   0:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ibluafartsky (#14)

Have you ever heard of anyone purchasing amnesty? Geezus, use a fookin dictionary!

So you disagree with the title "Amnesty to cost illegal immigrants $500" since in your opinion it wouldn't be amnesty.

Thanks.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-20   0:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: WhiteSands, Moderate Mammal, Wood_Chopper (#13)

Palin has done nothing re immigration.

She is a private citizen.

You guys give Amnesty to those in power working on this issue while focusing on her.

Where did all these morons come from, some dumb forum? Did they have another bloodbath at some forums? I sure hope they grant amnesty so the fookin idiots can return to wherever they came from.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   0:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ibluafartsky (#17) (Edited)

Where did all these morons come from

DNC.

They need focus drawn away from the pending legislation.

DNC is very skilled at getting Conservatives to wait for Godot.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-20   0:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Wood_Chopper (#16)

"Amnesty to cost illegal immigrants $500"

Amnesty is granted, not purchased. Get an education!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   2:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: WhiteSands, *Politics and Politicians* (#0)

Pelosi explained in a news conference that Congress has taken the leading role all year and many Congressmen could lose their seats because they were forced to support her on a number of unpopular issues.

You would THINK there would be no great leap in logic required for her and the others to finish connecting the logic dots,and conclude that IF what they have been proposing and passing is against the wishes and desires of the voting public they were elected to represent,then MAYBE they shouldn't be proposing and passing those laws.

Yet neither they nor the very people who support and vote for them seem to be able to make this tiny step,never mind a actual leap.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   8:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All, *Crime and Corruption* (#20)

Pelosi explained in a news conference that Congress has taken the leading role all year and many Congressmen could lose their seats because they were forced to support her on a number of unpopular issues.

BTW,there it is,right out there in the open. An admission by the Speaker of the House that they don't represent the people that voted them into office.

Where are the newspaper and teebee talking heads editorials about this?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   8:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Wood_Chopper, Ibluafartsky (#2)

Ibluafartsky believes this is not amnesty.

People believe all sorts of nonsense. Look at all the people who think Goober Gore is intelligent for proof of this.

Not to mention all the people who don't think Palin has became a RINO.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   8:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Parrot with speed dial (#6)

Pope John Paul II can become a Saint if the church can prove he has made a Miracle happen.

LOL! Don't hold your breath waiting for the Catholic Church to cough up that money out of THEIR treasury. They might do it if they can get $500 from the US treasury for every illegal alien they "provide counseling services" for in a government contract,but they ain't about to spend their OWN money.

Even though it would be a excellent investment for them because the majority of the illegals are Catholics,and the Church would be sure to get 10% of every dollar they were given by the US Treasury or made from working without having to pay taxes.

Which is why the Catholic Church supports them to start with. It's all about wealth and power. Anybody that thinks any differently is delusional.

Hell,the Catholic Church in San Francisco ALONE gets MORE than $5 million a year from the city alone in city contracts to "provide for the poor and the needy". This is on top of the federal money they get,what the parishioners contribute,and the money they make from not having to pay any taxes.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: WhiteSands, Wood_Chopper, ALL, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#8)

Off topic post noted

Seems like you don't know the definition of the words "irony" or "hypocrisy",either.

This one earns you a ping in your honor.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: WhiteSands, Wood_Chopper (#9)

Al Franken, This thread is not about Palin.

He knows. If it were,you would be writing about Ron Paul,and how everything was his fault.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: WhiteSands (#9)

Al Franken, This thread is not about Palin.

BTW,given Palin's comments that she made yesterday about amnesty,this thread IS related to her and her words.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: WhiteSands (#12)

The path must include entering legally via the Immigration process quota for their nation, etc.

They CAN'T enter legally unless they receive amnesty because illegal aliens are criminals and criminals can't become citizens or even get a Green Card or work permit.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ibluafartsky, Wood_Chopper (#14)

Have you ever heard of anyone purchasing amnesty? Geezus, use a fookin dictionary!

I don't know about him,but I have. The Catholic Church used to sell amnesty to sinners so they wouldn't go to hell,and there is at least one former US Governor that went to prison for selling amnesty. I'm pretty sure one from Tn went to prison,and I THINK maybe one from Louisiana and maybe one from Kentucky.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: WhiteSands (#18)

DNC is very skilled at getting Conservatives to wait for Godot.

You know about as much about conservatives as you do rocket science.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ibluafartsky (#19)

Amnesty is granted, not purchased. Get an education!

Have you ever tried to explain this to Bill Clinton?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: WhiteSands, Wood_Chopper (#8)

Off topic post noted

Are you freaking kidding me?!?!?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   13:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ibluafartsky, Wood_Chopper (#14)

would it be amnesty?

Have you ever heard of anyone purchasing amnesty? Geezus, use a fookin dictionary!

So your answer is no.

This is not amnesty to you.

Establishment/GOP/RINO/Neoconservative response duly noted.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   13:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#28)

The Catholic Church used to sell amnesty to sinners so they wouldn't go to hell,

You need to know the definition of amnesty versus absolution.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/AMNESTY

amnesty

One entry found.

: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   16:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: We The People (#32)

This is not amnesty to you.

Just how fookin dense are you, tardo?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/AMNESTY

amnesty

One entry found.

: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   16:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ibluafartsky (#34)

Do you support this path to citizenship?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   16:21:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: We The People (#35)

Do you support this path to citizenship?

Democrat lawmaker Luis Gutierrez (D-ILL) and the Hispanic caucus have decided the cost for those who entered the country illegally and have broken untold laws since their arrival will pay $500 to get their citizenship.

NO! Are you fookin delusional and stupid?

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   16:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ibluafartsky (#36)

So absolution is not amnesty.

And you're not for absolution or amnesty, but you ARE for a path to citizenship?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   16:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: We The People (#37)

So absolution is not amnesty.

And you're not for absolution or amnesty, but you ARE for a path to citizenship?

You're a real fookin dope. Look it up!!!!!!!

As far as I know there IS a path to citizenship, is there not?

http://www.path 2usa.com/immigration/citizenship/index.htm

Are you an ignorant, uneducated illegal or just a tardo?

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   16:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: WhiteSands (#0) (Edited)

Money before the rule of law, that is basically what the bill is saying. not only in the fact it protects corporations that hire illegals undercutting american wages and labor; but in the fact an illegal can buy citizenship and be forgiven of breaking the law. We are no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of money. Interests are dictated by the monied powers.

Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI

Thor  posted on  2009-12-20   17:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ibluafartsky (#38)

Just answer the question and stop being a coward yukon.

Even Palin has the balls to admit she supports a path to citizenship. Does Palin have more balls than you?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   17:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ibluafartsky (#38)

As far as I know there IS a path to citizenship, is there not?

http://www.path 2usa.com/immigration/citizenship/index.htm

That is a legal path to citizenship for foreign citizens.

We're talking about those already here illegally. Do you support a path to citizenship for illegal aliens?

Palin does. Do you?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   17:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: We The People (#41)

That is a legal path to citizenship for foreign citizens.

Do you support a path to citizenship for illegal aliens?

NFS! Why weren't you able to find it? You must post at FR, dummies, Kos or DU.

Yes, provided they must return to their country of origin with all of their relatives, no matter how far removed, for 70 years. Then they may apply for citizenship on a first come first served for those who can speak, write and comprehend English at college level.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   17:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: We The People (#40)

Does Palin have more balls than you?

She's got more spine and brainpower than you, that is evident to all.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   17:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Ibluafartsky (#43)

Evidently not enough of a spine to remain governor and take criticism. Evidently not smart enough to stay at one college; but instead 4 in 5 years.

Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI

Thor  posted on  2009-12-20   17:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ibluafartsky (#33)

You need to know the definition of amnesty versus absolution.

Are you trying to claim the Catholic Church didn't sell "heavenly pardons" to a large number of sinners?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   18:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: We The People (#32) (Edited)

zactly!

I was just hoping others would see it.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-20   21:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sneakypete (#45)

Are you trying to claim the Catholic Church didn't sell "heavenly pardons" to a large number of sinners?

You can call it whatever you want, but amnesty is granted. It has no dollar amount attached.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   21:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete, Ibluafartsky (#47) (Edited)

You've got to understand sneakypete, Ibluafartsky believes that if everything amnesty entails is sold to illegal aliens for $500 they earned while working here illegally, it's not amnesty.

He also believes Obama, evidently, that if health care is provided to those who used to be illegal aliens after amnesty is granted, that health care would not go to illegal aliens.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-20   21:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Thor (#44)

Evidently not enough of a spine to remain governor and take criticism.

Evidently not smart enough to stay at one college; but instead 4 in 5 years.

Thanks for proving what a fookin dunce you are..... yet again. Take criticism? Palin had to fund her own defense against numerous frivolous ethics complaints. Where was she supposed to get the money? From the RNC?

Which institution did she flunk out of, dunce? Surely you must know?

You've got to be a dummie reject!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   21:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: sneakypete (#28)

The Catholic Church used to sell amnesty to sinners so they wouldn't go to hell...

That's actually partially true...since few Catholics are ever expected to leap over Purgatory straight into Heaven. Entry into Heaven is reserved for the Elite, the Rich, saints, or those who "suffered for Christ." For those not willing to "suffer," (or be "obedient") there were Indulgences - contributions to Pope$, Bishop$, Priests, parishe$ whose prayer$ could (in theory) reduce time spent at Purgatory. Just how much time is reduced in Purgatory not even the RCC knows. As IF God's Grace could be bought.

This is why and how the RCC has amassed unimaginable wealth and real estate holdings over the centuries.

I can only imagine how much a "good word" from a Pope-to-God is going for these days.

In fact the sales of partial "Amnesty" is still practiced...but less blatantly so.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-20   21:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Ibluafartsky, thor (#49)

Thanks for proving what a fookin dunce you are..... yet again. Take criticism? Palin had to fund her own defense against numerous frivolous ethics complaints. Where was she supposed to get the money? From the RNC?

And what moron prey tell set up the system where said complaints could be taken up against her?

Why her dumbness Palin did.

What a moron she is.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   21:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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