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Title: It's all Eve's fault
Source: Genesis: Why We Are Here
URL Source: http://barrymidyet.com
Published: Mar 17, 2018
Author: Barry Midyet
Post Date: 2018-03-17 01:24:12 by interpreter
Keywords: Genesis, Beer, Eve
Views: 437
Comments: 78

Excerpt from my new book:

Here is a big question for the reader to ponder: “What separates humans from the monkeys?” Hint: It is not opposable thumbs or the ability to use tools, because both species have that. It is not even our ability to talk, or to build a fire, because monkeys can be taught to do that.

The difference, first of all, is that we have developed the ability to read and write, and to pass down information to our offspring. The earliest writing was discovered in the Garden of Eden, also called the Fertile Crescent and/or Mesopotamia, and dates to approximately 6 thousand years before Christ. It says, when translated into English, “fermented red grapes + hops + barley.” That is the recipe for beer, folks, as it used to be made before the discovery of brewer’s yeast. And beer, archeologists and historians tell us, was discovered by and made by women (i.e, Eve).1

Secondly, the red grapes were plentiful in the Garden of Eden, and possibly the hops, but the barley had to be cultivated. Barley is also a good food source, and it led to the first sustained2 farming. Soon, several additional crops were planted such as wheat and chickpeas, and by 4000 BC many (if not most) of the vegetables and herbs that we eat today were grown in the Fertile Crescent.

The third major development was, around 4000 BC the first large city (or the first civilization, or the first modern man), sprang up around farming and the brewing of beer, and exactly when and where the Bible says it did. The first cities were Eridu, Ur and Urak.

Shortly afterwards, two more important things happened. A common language was developed (at first mostly oral, but also written) and the world’s first king appeared.

It was not long before all of the cities in Mesopotamia, in order to trade with each other, developed a common language – sometimes called the Indo- European language which was only spoken at first, and some decades later developed into a written language. It is basically a mixture of the Sumerian language (one syllable words) and the Semitic language (advanced multi-syllable words), the two languages originally spoken in the Garden of Eden. The newly developed common language also allowed the Mesopotamians to intermarry for the first time, which greatly helped in unifying their culture. About the same time, the world’s first king appeared. He lived in Eridu.3

Also on Day One, the wheel was invented in Eden circa 3500 BC. Scientists (archeologists) think it was first used as a potter’s wheel, and was soon adapted to haul crops to the market, and for chariots.4 The earliest wheeled cart was discovered in Ur (where Abraham was born).

There will be many who will say that because fermented red grapes are most likely the forbidden fruit that typically grows on trees, and especially in Mesopotamia/Eden, they must be very bad for you. Moreover, that is a pretty valid point because drinking too many red beers can certainly kill you like God says. In addition, red beer (say most Bible historians) is the “strong drink” that many verses in the Old Testament warn us about. (Indeed, if it leads you to break any of the ten commandments, then you should consider abstaining, and especially so if it causes you to wreck your car and injure or kill someone).

Consequently, in many religions of today (including Islam and many Christian sects) fermented grapes are still the forbidden fruit.

On the other hand, it can well be argued that not only consuming too many beers, but consuming too much of anything is bad for you. Moreover, it can truly be said that brewing beer from fermented red grapes have given us all kinds of knowledge, including knowledge of good and evil. Moreover, beer that is made the way Eve brewed it, from red grapes which contain natural yeast, is actually very good for you health-wise and leads to longer life5 (when drank in moderation). Brewer’s yeast has some medicinal benefits too, but it also contains a lot of calories which can lead to “beer bellies” which are not good for you, both appearance-wise and health-wise.

IMHO6, because beer is the reason we are here, it is high time to get mad at MADD7 (all puns intended), and legalize stopping for two beers after a long day’s work, which dates from Adam and Eve. Consuming two pints (two 16 oz. “tall boys”) should not be against the law, yet it is now in several US states. And virtually all studies (except for the MADD one) say that consuming two beers do not make you too impaired to drive. In addition, it can just as well be argued that the vast majority of accidents are caused by completely sober drivers. But of course, depending on how much you weigh, drinking more than two beers within an hour can make you too impaired to drive, so everyone should indeed drink “responsibly.”

Barry M

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#1. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite, Gatlin (#0)

the vast majority of accidents are caused by completely sober drivers

Hear, hear!

A Pole  posted on  2018-03-17   1:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: interpreter (#0) (Edited)

The Garden of Eden was never in Mesopotamia. It was in ancient Africa formerly known as Ethiopia which is the Land of God and His people. The bible was written by black people. Adam and Eve were black as they were made in God's image.

It is not just Eve's fault but Adam as well because both were instructed not to eat from the Tree of Life for in taking from that tree would impart Knowledge. Knowledge meant knowing good and evil and the serpent used that opportunity to deceive Eve for the purpose of using both of them (Adam and Eve) to help the serpent plot the take over pf Heaven and restore his fallen position. Because of Eve and Adam's fall from grace, all of mankind has descended from their position of grace with God and will never be equal with Him until they have spiritually redeemed themselves through pious martyrdom or just isolated themselves from the world altogether. Just as God sent His only beloved son into this plane of existence to teach the world a better way, He also had to die but was never forsaken. It will be His son who will also play the role in judgement in the end. He will not return with peace but to fulfill prophecy.

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   11:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: goldilucky (#2)

Did you learn this "historical information" on the Internet? Assuming you did, it must be "true" then.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-17   11:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: goldilucky, interpreter (#2)

Are you both relying on the Book of Enoch and other Apocryphal writings?

Liberator  posted on  2018-03-17   11:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#4)

I added some content to that last post.

Yes, I also rely on the Apocrypha writings. I have heard of the Book of Enoch but have not read it.

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   11:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: interpreter (#0)

In many religions of today (including Islam and many Christian sects) fermented grapes are still the forbidden fruit.

Barry -- Then what of Jesus turning water into wine at Cana in the Gospel of John?

Liberator  posted on  2018-03-17   11:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: goldilucky (#5)

Ok...just checking your sources.

Liberator  posted on  2018-03-17   11:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#3)

It's not just historical information but much of that information was omitted from the bible.

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   11:54:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Liberator (#7)

You may want to get a hold of the writings from Apocrypha King James Version. Much of this is not even mentioned in Sunday school at all.

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   11:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: goldilucky (#8)

... but much of that information was omitted from the bible.

So how can you attest that the "Bible" is the word of God, if much of the information was omitted?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-17   11:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#7)

You may want to get a hold of the writings from Apocrypha King James Version. Much of this is not even mentioned in Sunday school at all. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Apocrypha-Books/

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   11:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: goldilucky (#11)

I have read and am aware of many Apocryphal writings. Some of it valid. Peter and Jude both quote from Enoch. There is much valid historical info regarding persons, places and events.

However we have to be *very* discerning about it.

Liberator  posted on  2018-03-17   12:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#3)

Did you learn this "historical information" on the Internet? Assuming you did, it must be "true" then.

Its in pretty much every world history book, and every archeological book that talks about ancient civilizations. The first modern (civilized) man appeared in Eden/Mesopotamia exactly when the Bible says he did. The first city/ civilization that sprung up was a direct result of the discovery/invention of beer, and of the invention of writing (the first writing being the recipe for beer that one of the women in Mesopotamia wrote down). Monkeys cant brew beer, and even if they could, they wouldn't be able to write it down.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   12:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: interpreter (#13)

... the discovery/invention of beer ...

Why is this a significant consideration for your hypothesis for a timed milestone in history?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-17   12:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: goldilucky (#2)

Fermented grapes (that the first beer was made from) is stiil the forbidden fruit in many religions (such as Islam and also numerous Christian sects). But please keep in mind that the tree with the fermented red grapes growing on it is also called the Tree of Knowledge. To me that means consuming too many fermented red grapes can indeed kill you just like the Bible says, but that tree has also led to knowledge just like the Bible also says. Otherwise we would still be monkeys.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   12:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#14)

I'm just saying the Bible/ Genesis agrees 100% with the world history books, both regarding the place and regarding the time the first modern man appeared on Earth.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   12:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: interpreter (#16)

How does the Bible date "modern man" when there is little data to reflect a calendar much less the dating of the invention of beer?

Have you ever smelled the odor that beer gives off during the fermentation process? For that matter, what about wine? Why would anyone want to create beer or wine when the process of fermentation will provide an odor will gag you?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-17   12:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Liberator (#6)

Barry -- Then what of Jesus turning water into wine at Cana in the Gospel of John?

Exactly. That's why I call them sects, and not a legitimate Church. If a Church is legitimate, they serve real wine with the Eucharist bread, and not grape juice.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   12:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: interpreter (#13)

Monkeys cant brew beer, and even if they could, they wouldn't be able to write it down.

Neither could Adam and Eve write. The bible is mostly mythology concocted by later dumbkophs speculating and fantasizing about their origens, not eridite secretaries actively taking dictation at the time.

rlk  posted on  2018-03-17   12:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: interpreter (#15)

Otherwise we would still be monkeys.

Man did not originate from apes! We were made in God's image; not monkeys. He made the animals (including monkeys) but that Man was to have dominion over them. If you do not believe in that at all then stop quoting from the bible.

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   12:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo (#17)

How does the Bible date "modern man" when there is little data to reflect a calendar much less the dating of the invention of beer?

About 500 years ago, one of the Popes added up all the years/ages provided in Matthew's geneology of Jesus and arrived at 4004 BC for the creation/ appearance of Adam. Nowadays, anyone with a calculator can easily arrive at that same date for Adam's appearance in the Garden of Eden. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. Even you should be able to do it. There's probably a calculator on your PC (or smart phone or whatever)

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   13:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: interpreter (#21)

Do you feel your post is actually, "objective evidence" concerning any of the claims you have made?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-17   13:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: interpreter (#15)

But please keep in mind that the tree with the fermented red grapes growing on it is also called the Tree of Knowledge.

First - grapes grow on vines, not trees. And they do not become fermented as they grow.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-17   14:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A Pole (#1)

the vast majority of accidents are caused by completely sober drivers Hear, hear!

If the vast majority of drivers are sober at any one given time, and motor vehicle accidents are largely caused by operator ERROR, then your posted quote is kinda worthless. Like your political philosophies.

F' off, snowflake.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-03-17   16:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#19)

Neither could Adam and Eve write. The bible is mostly mythology concocted by later dumbkophs speculating and fantasizing about their origens, not eridite secretaries actively taking dictation at the time.calculator on your PC (or smart phone or whatever)

I swear, you guys are getting more ridiculous with each post (if that were even possible).

All archeologists, 100% of them, say that the earliest writing was discovered in Mesopotamia, and it was written by one of the women in Mesopotamia (who invented both beer and writing (what got us here). So it is absolutely 100 percent true that it is all Eve's fault just like the Bible says.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   17:40:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deckard (#23) (Edited)

First - grapes grow on vines, not trees. And they do not become fermented as they grow.

Another utterly ridiculous post. Grape vines , at least in Adam and Eves day, grew on trees. Where else were they supposed to grow, on the trellesses that they use in NAPA valley? Dont think they were invented yet.

And they most definitely do ferment while still on the tree (if left there long enough).

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   18:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#22)

Do you feel your post is actually, "objective evidence" concerning any of the claims you have made?

Yes of course. It is the "objective" evidence as you put it upon which I rest my case.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   18:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: goldilucky (#20)

Man did not originate from apes! We were made in God's image; not monkeys. He made the animals (including monkeys) but that Man was to have dominion over them. If you do not believe in that at all then stop quoting from the bible.

Actually, it did not begin with the appearance of monkeys (or apes). As the Bible says, man was created from the dust of the Earth (or dry land), which first appeared on Day 3 (the Proterozoic Period when a firmament was created by God which divided the Earth's waters). If you do not believe that at all, then it is you and your ilk that should stop quoting from the Bible because you are the biggest reason the world laughs at Christianity nowadays. You are not converting anybody, I am.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-17   19:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: interpreter (#28)

What did you mean from that post Otherwise we would still be monkeys.?

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   23:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#12)

However we have to be *very* discerning about it.

Why should we be very discerning about reading something that was omitted from the bible? Actually, those people responsible for omitting those parts from the bible are whom we should be very discerning about.

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-17   23:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: goldilucky (#29)

What did you mean from that post Otherwise we would still be monkeys.?

Were it not for a smart monkey in Mesopotamia discovering beer somehow and writing down the recipe we would still be monkeys.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-18   8:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: interpreter, Deckard (#27)

Yes of course. It is the "objective" evidence as you put it upon which I rest my case.

So lets backtrack for a moment on a different post ...

interpreter: But please keep in mind that the tree with the fermented red grapes growing on it is also called the Tree of Knowledge.

Deckard: First - grapes grow on vines, not trees. And they do not become fermented as they grow.

So how do you summarize your "objective evidence" with Deckard's comments about your "objective evidence?"

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-18   11:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: interpreter (#15)

Fermented grapes (that the first beer was made from) is stiil the forbidden fruit in many religions (such as Islam and also numerous Christian sects).

Willie Green  posted on  2018-03-18   13:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: goldilucky (#2)

The Garden of Eden was never in Mesopotamia. It was in ancient Africa formerly known as Ethiopia which is the Land of God and His people. The bible was written by black people. Adam and Eve were black as they were made in God's image. I

You would be wrong. Since Jewish people are 'whitest' your statement is most likely wrong.

Science is always changing and some have claimed that China more likely place. Don't worry given time it Eden ie the birth of man will be placed somewhere else.

Justified  posted on  2018-03-18   14:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Justified (#34)

Science is always changing and some have claimed that China more likely place.

Mandarin Chinese then to have an IQ 10 points higher than Europeans indicating a more advanced stage of evolutionary development.

rlk  posted on  2018-03-18   14:53:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: goldilucky (#30)

Actually, those people responsible for omitting those parts from the bible are whom we should be very discerning about.

Are you privy to the reasoning for their omissions that didn't make the Final Cut of canonized Scripture?

Liberator  posted on  2018-03-18   16:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Willie Green (#33)

LOL. If their aint no beer in heaven, then I'm not sure I want to go.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-18   16:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#32)

o how do you summarize your "objective evidence" with Deckard's comments about your "objective evidence?"

I already said his statement is false. Utterly and completely false. Grape vines do grow on trees as everyone knows (except for Deckard evidently).

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-18   16:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Justified (#34)

There is no science in God's word for He makes it very clear who His people are.

From the The Apocrypha Book (Hidden things)

https://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/2-esdras/passage/?q=2-esdras+6:54-59

From the KJV the Israelites were black- His People

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song+of+Solomon+1%3A5-6&version=KJV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Amos+9%3A7&version=KJV

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-19   14:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#36)

Yes, I am.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A19&version=KJV

goldilucky  posted on  2018-03-19   14:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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