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Published: Feb 27, 2018
Author: tpaine
Post Date: 2018-02-27 21:15:48 by tpaine
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Guarding the children...
Probably the only to way to protect children in the classroom, is to have an armed guard in every classroom, and at all school activities..
The solution might be to have a parent, -- one child's parent, - in every class (a volunteer parent with a cc permit). Such parents could volunteer to attend one of their children's classes on a day to day basis, --- granted, - it will be difficult to find enough parents with the concealed carry training, and the time to spare.
Many more school shootings, and we may find more out of work parents (and some employed) --- willing to qualify, and to devote several hours a week to this scheme.. After all, who has more incentive to protect their child, and all the other children in any specific class?
Individual School Boards would have to work out the details and scheduling, of course,_and vet the parent volunteers..
A plan of this type could very well work (to start) in rural areas, where both parents and school authorities are likely to be normal, conservative people..
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Armed officers in each room? Talk about a "police state".
All they need to do is fortify ONE entrance/exit. Place a magnetometer there and a heavily armed officer. Then fortify all classroom doors to be bulletproof, lockable from the inside. The armed threat would have to come to the officer(s) first. That would give teachers chance to secure classroom doors.
Two officers per school... and they aren't there for all that earthy crunchy tree hugging horse shit they have current RSO's doing now. The officers are to be in the school, on duty, ANYTIME a student is in the school... and their ONLY purpose is to keep armed threats out or engage and kill active threats.
We kill a few of these millennial snowflake whack jobs before they can kill anyone, and watch how it's NOT so cool anymore to be the next active famous gunman.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#2. To: tpaine (#0)
I would love to see any school district in the country try to organize an army of Pistol Packin' Mamas hanging out in each classroom, every day, all day long.
I seriously cannot picture it happening.
#3. To: tpaine (#0)
Wacked.
The problem is atheists.
#4. To: GrandIsland (#1)
All they need to do is fortify ONE entrance/exit. Place a magnetometer there and a heavily armed officer. Then fortify all classroom doors to be bulletproof, lockable from the inside. The armed threat would have to come to the officer(s) first. That would give teachers chance to secure classroom doors.
Maybe they should not allow people to just wander in off the streets carrying rifles. Like in Florida. And in Newtown. And that Amish school massacre in Pennsylvania where there were at least three parents present and a pregnant woman and the teacher's mother. The teacher and her mother ran away.
#5. To: GrandIsland (#1)
Armed officers in each room? Talk about a "police state".
One armed parent protecting their kid, -- and the rest of the children in the schoolroom... Read much?
Damn.. How can anybody be this dense?
#6. To: tpaine (#0)
You don't need to have an armed guard in every classroom, and the cost for that, even in terms of volunteer time, would probably be impractical. I haven't checked but I'd be surprised if nationwide, the number of innocent teens who died violently since this attack occurred has not already surpassed the number killed by Cruz on Feb 14.
But the first line of defense is deterrence. Most potential shooters of the Cruz type (the ones who don't plan to suicide themselves) will be dissuaded from carrying out the act at all just knowing there are some armed people in the school, with the further wildcard that they'll be less than certain where all of them are.
I think if just 20% of teachers were armed, it would go a loooong way, preferably 30-35% would be a min so one classroom in 3 has armed protection, basically ensuring that an armed teacher will always be no more than 1 classroom away. Add to that a few patrolling armed guards and you got a strong deterrent even with suicidal shooters. No, it won't mean no kids will ever get killed, but the loss of life should be minimized, which is the best you can ask for.
But the scenario that hasn't played out at a school is a Vegas style attack, for which these steps wouldn't do much good. For that, you require defensive snipers.
But in any event, one thing seems obvious is that the "gun free school zone" thing absolutely has to go.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)
“Atheism is a non-prophet organization.” ― George Carlin - 
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#8. To: Tooconservative (#2)
an army of Pistol Packin' Mamas hanging out in each classroom, every day, all day long.I seriously cannot picture it happening.
One armed parent protecting their kid, -- and the rest of the children in the schoolroom.
Each classroom, one mom.. Get it?
#9. To: tpaine (#5)
One armed parent protecting their kid, -- and the rest of the children in the schoolroom... Read much?Damn.. How can anybody be this dense?
Wackjob idea. Then you'll have wack job parents shooting up the place.
Even if you didn't it is still a wackjob idea.
If there were no athiests there would be no shootings. Teach the Bible in school. My version and my religion. Not someone else's.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#3)
Wacked.The problem is atheists.
Wacky...
Are you trying to say school shootings are caused by atheists?
#11. To: Pinguinite (#6)
For that, you require defensive snipers.
Such a reactionary.
Who would want to go to school with snipers watching over you.
Just end abortion and you will have a net decrease in murders.
#12. To: tpaine (#10) (Edited)
Are you trying to say school shootings are caused by atheists?
Yes surely. When the dumbass atheists teach there is no god, no right or wrong. Then you raise up a wicked generation. There are no real solutions. We just have to wait it out.
#13. To: Pinguinite (#6)
You don't need to have an armed guard in every classroom, and the cost for that, even in terms of volunteer time, would probably be impractical.I think if just 20% of teachers were armed, it would go a loooong way ----
--- but the loss of life should be minimized, which is the best you can ask for.
Arming teachers is out, as far as I can see in the news reactions.
And saying "it's the best We can ask for", or raising the issue of costs, are sure losers..
Thanks for your reply though.. Good points...
#14. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Such a reactionary.Who would want to go to school with snipers watching over you.
This whole thread discussing preventive measures is "reactionary". If the idea is to not be reactionary, then we would change nothing. Is that what you propose? As I pointed out, the number of kids killed in school shootings is very tiny, statistically, but they do yield a hugely disproportionate amount of press time. So maybe doing nothing is statistically justifiable.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#9)
If there were no athiests there would be no shootings. Teach the Bible in school. My version and my religion. Not someone else's.
Thanks for your imput... It's fascinating...
#16. To: tpaine (#13)
Arming teachers is out, as far as I can see in the news reactions.
I'm sure there are many teachers that would open carry or concealed carry if given permission to do so. I think it was Ohio where a Sheriff had a free CC class for teachers fill up about instantly.
And saying "it's the best We can ask for", or raising the issue of costs, are sure losers..
Well, maybe it's not emotionally palatable, but it's very true, and any parent should recognize from day one of becoming a parent that there are no guarantees as to how long a child will live, and appreciate every day accordingly.
No measure either pro-gun or anti-gun will guarantee protection of all kids at all times from all school threats while at school. None. That's reality.
#17. To: Pinguinite (#14)
This whole thread discussing preventive measures is "reactionary". If the idea is to not be reactionary, then we would change nothing. Is that what you propose? As I pointed out, the number of kids killed in school shootings is very tiny, statistically, but they do yield a hugely disproportionate amount of press time. So maybe doing nothing is statistically justifiable.
Ah yes, but doing nothing is not politically possible.
I'm looking for something possible.. -- Armed parents may not be, -- but I think it should be considered..
#18. To: tpaine (#10)
Are you trying to say school shootings are caused by atheists?
That's what he's hinting at.
The problem is, religious people are not blameless. A poll several years ago indicated 32% of protestent ministers are sleeping with congregation members.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)
So, do you now take the next step in your defensive posturing....do you place an armed guard on every bus? If you do that, then there will always be the next easy target ... tpaine: Probably the only to way to protect children in the classroom, is to have an armed guard in every classroom, and at all school activities.
Stupid idea....then all a mass shooter will do is jump on a school bus at the last stop before it heads for school and fire away. Much easier than invading a school. The bus-load of students will be “sitting ducks.” I am actually surprised it has not been done already....and I predict it will be. A K A Stone: There are no real solutions. We just have to wait it out.
Very true in so many different was for any number of various reasons. Gatlin: For every countermeasure, there is always a new and different innovate measure to sidestep it.
#20. To: Pinguinite (#16)
I'm sure there are many teachers that would open carry or concealed carry if given permission to do so. I think it was Ohio where a Sheriff had a free CC class for teachers fill up about instantly.
Arming teachers is out on a national scale, as far as I can see in the news reactions from teacher associations, political socialists, etc.
We agree that it's a good idea.. Thanks...
#21. To: tpaine (#0)
Ron Paul grandma's could help make schools safe, and improve the quality of education too.
#22. To: tpaine (#20)
Arming teachers is out on a national scale, as far as I can see in the news reactions from teacher associations, political socialists, etc.
I wouldn't be so sure. Trump was failing in all the polls too, before he won the election, and the news about the deputies failing to enter the school, regardless of whether it was wise of them or not, certainly adds a strong argument to arming teachers. It might take a few more school shootings to drive that point home, unfortunately.
#23. To: rlk (#18)
A poll several years ago indicated 32% of protestent ministers are sleeping with congregation members.
Shall we assume this excludes the spouses of the ministers in question, which are likely also congregation members? :)
#24. To: rlk (#18)
A poll several years ago indicated 32% of protestent ministers are sleeping with congregation members.
Male or female?
#25. To: Gatlin (#19)
Stupid idea....then all a mass shooter will do is jump on a school bus at the last stop before it heads for school and fire away.
Reminds me of the TSA searches at airports. It forms a huge crowd of people waiting to go through screening which itself is an easy target and accessible by anyone with any weapon that would fit in a carry-on sized suitcase.
It is simply a fact that anyone that has means & motive to kill will be able to do so. The best that can be done is to allow average people the means to react defensively with deadly force.
#26. To: Gatlin (#19)
Probably the only to way to protect children in the classroom, is to have an armed guard in every classroom, and at all school activities..The solution might be to have a parent, -- one child's parent, - in every class (a volunteer parent with a cc permit). ----tpaine
gatlin --- Stupid idea....then all a mass shooter will do is jump on a school bus at the last stop before it heads for school and fire away. Much easier than invading a school. The bus-load of students will be “sitting ducks.” I am actually surprised it has not been done already....and I predict it will be. So, do you now take the next step in your defensive posturing....do you place an armed guard on every bus? ---- If you do that, then there will always be the next easy target ...
Stupid rebuttal, seeing that I specified protecting kids in the classroom, not the bus.
Lots of kids take a bus, and sure, -- busses could be protected too.. May be necessary..
I see you're still too chickenshit to address me directly, poor little fella.. Try growing a pair...
#27. To: hondo68 (#21) (Edited)
grandma's could help make schools safe, and improve the quality of education too.
Good idea.
-- Never make war on an old fart that has nothing left to lose, not even their life. They'll kill you every time.
Somebody said that..I'm to old to remember. -- With nothing left to lose, so to bed, and if I'm unlucky, I'll wake up..
#28. To: tpaine (#15)
⚡🤥🔥🎯
#29. To: tpaine (#26)
Stupid rebuttal, seeing that I specified protecting kids in the classroom, not the bus.
No it wasn't stupid. Because if you are one area at a cost of a billion(s). Then the kook just moved to another area. To the line entering the building. In the school parking lot. At the dance. From the roof. Through the window. Unless you want to spend ten billion or more making all the windows bullet proof.
Just comes down to values and knowing and respecting right and wrong. If they are atheists then they can't have true values. Yeah I'm just tweaking you a little!e bit too.
#30. To: tpaine (#26)
Partial protection is like being partially pregnant....there ain’t no such thing. Stupid rebuttal, seeing that I specified protecting kids in the classroom, not the bus.
Oh, I see....fuck the kids on the bus when a mass shooter jumps on board. You ONLY care about the class room.
#31. To: tpaine (#26)
Stupid rebuttal, seeing that I specified protecting kids in the classroom, not the bus. Lots of kids take a bus, and sure, -- busses could be protected too.. May be necessary.. Kids go off campus at lunch to cruise in the cars and eat at the fast-food places near the schools. They line up and wait to order. Here were go....ready? Four days ago here in the Valley at a Dairy queen located at 107th Avenue and Indian School, across the street from nearby Westview High School and Garden Lakes Elementary School, multiple shots were fired in the parking lot as the schools had just let out for the day. Fortunately no students were hurt. The shooting occurred when people in two different vehicles in the parking lot got into an argument and someone started shooting. Both vehicles with the shooters quickly drove away. It is not known if the shooters were students or not. According to Joe Ortiz with the Tolleson Union High School District, Westview High School went on lockdown. While students were already let out of class, there were still staff members and students on campus, taking part in sports and extracurricular activities. Students line up at that Dairy Queen every day at lunch time with as many as 20 to 30 in line at one time waiting to order. For a mass shooter, that would be like a “firing squad” lineup. So, tpaine....you now have armed guards in every classroom, you are adding armed guards to all school buse....now you must place armed guards at all fast-food joints adjacent to all schools. What’s the next place needing armed guards for your great armed guard program solution? I know ... tpaine: Probably the only to way to protect children in the classroom, is to have an armed guard in every classroom, and at all school activities.
Okay, so you now have guards in the classroom and on the school buses....what is the next easy target for a mass shooter? "I heard popping sounds," said Rachel Ellis, a senior at Westview High School "I thought they weren't gunshots until I was told they were gunshots. I ran to the building that all the track runners were running into. I took off as fast as I could."
There are no descriptions of the suspects, or the vehicles involved. An investigation is ongoing.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#29) (Edited)
Then the kook just moved to another area.
Right....see Post #31.
#33. To: tpaine (#0) (Edited)
Comments? Is there anything fundamentally flawed with this idea? It has to be one of the most stupid plans I have ever heard, here’s why. The solution might be to have a parent, -- one child's parent, - in every class (a volunteer parent with a cc permit). Such parents could volunteer to attend one of their children's classes on a day to day basis, --- granted, - it will be difficult to find enough parents with the concealed carry training, and the time to spare.
The whole idea is just some friggin’ crazy thinking.
#34. To: tpaine (#26)
I am glad that I had the opportunity to “piss on your campfire” and exposed your idea as being utterly stupid. I will depart now and perhaps visit you again during the Christmas holidays. Until we meet again: I see you're still too chickenshit to address me directly ...
Its about time I graced you with my presence. My presence will go with you, and I will give you rest. Exodus 33:14.
Oh, I almost forgot: Try growing a pair...
They no longer need to grow...I already can’t wear Bermuda shorts.
#35. To: Gatlin (#30)
Stupid rebuttal, seeing that I specified protecting kids in the classroom, not the bus.Lots of kids take a bus, and sure, -- busses could be protected too.. May be necessary..--- tpaine
gatlin --- Oh, I see....fuck the kids on the bus when a mass shooter jumps on board. You ONLY care about the class room. Partial protection is like being partially pregnant....there ain’t no such thing.
Wow, a silly attempt to ignore portions of what I post.. The 'major', back at it again, raving about a point I never made..
At least you finally worked up the guts to address me directly. --- Try more often, rebuild a little respect...
#36. To: Gatlin (#33)
Comments? Is there anything fundamentally flawed with this idea?
gatlin --- The whole idea is just some friggin’ crazy thinking. It has to be one of the most stupid plans I have ever heard, here’s why.
--- "You don’t know how people will react when the person next to them is shot. You don’t know how a person will respond when their task is shooting someone they know or taught. You just don’t know."
The above is a quote from Sgt Obvious, -- at your 'heres why' cite..
Thanks again gatlin, your input has been magnificent. --- I read you're going back to hide behind bozo. -- Good plan, it suits your skills.
#37. To: tpaine (#5)
Probably the only to way to protect children in the classroom, is to have an armed guard in every classroom, and at all school activities..
First paragraph of the article... shut your manure munching maw.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#38. To: GrandIsland (#37) (Edited)
Probably the only to way to protect children in the classroom, is to have an armed guard in every classroom, and at all school activities..
First paragraph of the article... shut your manure munching maw.
First paragraph, followed immediately by: ---
The solution might be to have a parent, -- one child's parent, - in every class (a volunteer parent with a cc permit).
Read much?
#39. To: Pinguinite (#25)
All true....so very true.
#40. To: Gatlin (#34)
They no longer need to grow...I already can’t wear Bermuda shorts.
I don't think anyone under 70 (other than Brit or Aussie military) even knows what Bermuda shorts are. : )
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